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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:41 PM
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Meanwhile, in Iraq.....
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 09:51 PM by Jacobin
Brian Williams on MSNBC is taking breaks between CheneyGate interviews to discuss the riots in cities across Iraq over unemployment including pictures of “voluntary Iraqi policemen” turning over and burning cars in league with their countrymen, who apparently are not happy with their occupiers.

There is a perfect storm gathering that will destroy the Bush* administration. Harken back to Tricky Dick’s re-election in 1972. He promised a “secret plan” to end the Vietnam quagmire, which after his election proved to be expanding the war, invading Cambodia and Laos and killing thousands more American soldiers and Vietnamese civilians. The “Silent Majority” still supported Nixon and were not able to come to the conclusion that Nixon (and thus the voters) were “wrong” about Vietnam. Nonetheless, those subject to the draft, and a growing number of liberals were aghast at the bloodletting and mayhem, and violent protests were a daily event. Students were shot and killed by police as they protested.

The American Voter needed a scapegoat for their poor choice for president. They could not admit they were wrong and thus tacitly have blood on their hands.

They needed Watergate.

Bush* as puppet, danced about like a marionette by Cheney/Wolfowitz/Kristol/Rumsfeld, went through his moves on stage, pretending that Iraq was a menace to the US and the world, who would attack us with godawful weapons at any moment, harbored al Qaeda operatives and stored thousands of tons of chemical and biological weapons. Cheney had to ice the cake with his “yellowcake lie”.

The truth is now so obvious, that it is simply impossible to hide. The junta lied to start a war and profiteers are making out like bandits while our fellow countrymen die and we occupy and destroy a muslim country.

American voters now need CheneyGate. They can’t have been wrong to support Bush* and the war; otherwise they would have blood on their hands. With Cheney going down, it can all be blamed on someone who lied to them, and who is a traitor by violating the Espionage Act by aiding terrorists by hindering legitimate WMD operatives in the CIA. You can’t get any more treasonous than that.

The tide is turning, finally. This is not a false alarm. Cheney will resign within months. Bush* will hope that this will end the bleeding and that Iraq will blossom. It won’t happen. Iraq is descending inexorably into chaos, just as Vietnam claimed more and more lives, the longer it went on.

Bush is not just “toast”........he is burnt toast.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:43 PM
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1. wonderful beautiful wonderful
i like the way you think! and you're right!

seriously, i might not be able to sleep tonight! i've been so wrecked since march and now i really see them gone. the media is all that was holding it together.

thanks for tying Iraq into this. we must end this nightmare.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:46 PM
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2. read this!
:kick:
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:50 PM
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3. I agree 100%, very well written piece.
I believe more of the PNAC ppl not just Cheney are going down before the election.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:54 PM
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4. Excellent points
The 1972 reelection connection is totally accurate as well.

:kick:
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:55 PM
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5. there was big Iraq news today, too
many fronts to keep track of, don't forget the quaqmire and the resistance fighters.

this is vietnam on crack and WE ARE NEAR THE END!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:58 PM
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7. The speed with which Iraq turned into IraqNam is breathtaking
The massive protests PRE-DATED the invasion. The speed with which the country turned to chaos and bedlam is unprecedented.

The aftermath of IraqNam will be a violent, fundamentalist Islamic state run by an Ayatollah.

This will be the main legacy (apart from bankrupting the U.S.) that the PNACers leave this country. They will be remembered the way Germany remembers the Nazis.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:57 PM
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6. This is an incredibly astute post!
You've seen the pattern...Welcome to the club!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:07 PM
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9. It'll be interesting to watch
Macabre though, like watching a train wreck.

My guess is that Cheney will not be on Sunday morning talk shows any time soon. His time will be spent lawyering up and writing retainer checks.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:55 AM
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12. They are VERY dangerous now
and definitely believe in a scorched earth policy. If they go down I expect they will do a lot of damage in the process....
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:01 PM
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8. Bravo
well written
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:48 AM
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10. Kick for the morning folks
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:55 AM
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11. But people have no concept of how much money they are spending...
in Iraq...If you tell them they are spending about a $half-million on each GI in that country, they would not believe it...but it is true.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:01 AM
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13. I like your analogy, but I don't agree with the ending.
Edited on Thu Oct-02-03 09:03 AM by Ripley
Cheney will not step down. I don't know why everyone keeps saying that. The Wilson case will die down after some flunkie takes the blame. He will swear he acted on his own accord (incompetence). The Teflon crew at the top will not be linked to any of these scandals. My God, don't you see how Enron disappeared? Yellowcake disappeared? WMD are trying to be disappeared (Saddam lied because it made him look macho).

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but Cheney will be back on MTP to scare us all once again. In fact they will probably trot out Tom Ridge here shortly to report on a possible threat.

edit: typos
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:09 AM
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15. The only reason I disagree with you is that the media
is now energized. I haven't been able to believe my ears in the last two days listening to the news. It's almost as if we have a press again which is acting like a government watchdog, what a concept!!

80% of the public wants an independent counsel appointed. If Ashcrack lobs softballs at this one, he will have egg all over his face. Even repuke congresscritters are saying no independent counsel "at this time."

The fact of the matter is that the public now knows that the Iraq threat was non-existent but that al Qaida is a real threat and that Cheney's aid outed a CIA officer who was employed to counter that threat.

That is treasonous. There is no other way to spin it.

That and Rush"Junkie" Limpballs has his credibility in the shitter and Mr. Oxycontin will have a hard time getting his audience to listen to him....other than the absolute hardcore dittoheads, who dont' matter anyway.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:19 AM
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17. I, too am surprised to see media doing some work.
But it won't last. Watch the TV and you will see repubs smirking and laughing saying this is partisan politics coming into an election year. People will tune this story out.

I don't believe polls for Arnold, so why would I believe polls that say most Americans want an independent counsel? It doesn't matter. The thugs will say "it's over" after a low-level guy quits and it will be over.

I really, really, really want to believe you. But I have heard this "he's toast" for three years and yes his numbers are down, but it is still a split country, exactly where it was in 2000. No major bleeding by the repubs.

Now, if Novak is forced to resign from CNN, I'll believe things are changing.

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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:30 AM
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19. TWO officials are traitors. One deepthroat in place.
Ok so Cheney does not resign. That still leaves one high level official who may want to cut a deal. And lets not forget there is a set of patriotic eyes who reported these traitors.
Also, Are Cheney and the other official autorized to have the detail of information of a covert CIA operative. If not (I think Pres and NSC head only have 'need to know) then who told them she uses her maiden name,her department,and heer duties ?
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:07 AM
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14. Well said...
...but I can't agree with your analysis. There is no 'perfect storm' in today's politics...and you certainly can't compare what's happening right now with 'watergate' or any other gate.

- The difference is how the Bushies came into power...literally a coup. A coup isn't possible without the cooperation of the media, courts and a good segment of the government.

- The 'tide' won't turn UNLESS the Democratic party attacks these issues in concert and with great gusto. I would love to see this happen.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:11 AM
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16. I really really think
the majority of the voters know that Iraq was another Vietnam. They can't directly distance themselves from it because they supported it.

They can distance themselves from it by dumping on those who promoted it---but for other reasons. That way they can punish those who led them into the quagmire without the voters having to admit they were wrong about IraqNam.
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xJlM Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:23 AM
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18. Who's going to be Gerald Ford?
Who is going to pardon the felons, and then face numerous assasination attempts? That's what I'm waiting for...
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:50 AM
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20. Good question
Who will the new VP be?

Condi? I don't think Powell will agree to be VP.

Lieberman?

It will have to be someone who they think can split the "minority" or Florida vote.
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