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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:45 PM
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They can't fixed the leeves every one told to leave
****ALL RESIDENTS ON THE EAST BANK OF ORLEANS AND JEFFERSON REMAINING IN THE METRO AREA ARE BEING TOLD TO EVACUATE AS EFFORTS TO SANDBAG THE LEVEE BREAK HAVE ENDED. THE PUMPS IN THAT AREA ARE EXPECTED TO FAIL SOON AND 9 FEET OF WATER IS EXPECTED IN THE ENTIRE EAST BANK. WITHIN THE NEXT 12-15 HOURS****

http://www.wwltv.com/
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:45 PM
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1. Sweet Golly Gee....
Man...oh man...:cry: There's really nothing left to say.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:46 PM
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2. This is heartbreaking
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:47 PM
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3. Save as many people as possible. Abandon the city, not the people
The city is going under, but the people must be pulled out quickly.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:50 PM
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4. CRAP!!
AW, man!!! Apparently, the aftermath is going to present very near the worst case scenario predicted. NO may become TC (toxic city)!!!

Geez,...I feel so terrible for all those people!!! :cry:
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:51 PM
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5. Can someone explain this? Sounds bad, but I don't understand.
I thought the pumps failed a while ago, and where is the East Bank in the scheme of things?

Aren't they already evacuated/in shit condition anyway? They can't possibly be issuing another warning to people who have no tv/radio/way of heeding it. Well, there are the guys in the helicopters and bullhorns I guess.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:56 PM
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10. Go to google and see a map of New Orleans
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:59 PM
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12. If you want to see some of the devastation
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 08:00 PM by jimshoes
as it is happening follow this link to WWL

Note: the final pumps have failed and New Orleans is going to be under 9 feet of water in the next 15 hours.

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:17 PM
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17. Here Is My Interpretation
There was apparently a (big) pump station that was pumping some of the water out, putting it back into the 17th St. canal. This lowered the hydraulic grade line (water surface) somewhat in what they are calling the 'East Bank' area, apparently the area to the South.

The pump station was putting water back into this canal, water flows north in the canal, then back through the levee breach in the canal. As a hydraulic engineer, it sounds plausible, if it is a big pump station.

The map link following is the area of the levee breech, just to the SW of the last bridge on the canal. If you pan to the south, you get to a pump station, a huge pump station. My bet is that this is the station that has shut down.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=30.019583,-90.121740&spn=0.004245,0.007420&t=k&hl=en
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:40 PM
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20. Thanks everyone!
:hi:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:51 PM
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6. It's just getting worse and worse....
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:51 PM
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7. I heard on WWL that the missippi levee has hole and breeches too
thats even worse.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:52 PM
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8. That is worse.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:58 PM
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11. Oh Jeez!
Cable news media should be shot for acting as if nothing was happening yesterday
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:53 PM
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9. Does this mean nine MORE feet? n/t
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:09 PM
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15. yes six feet below sea level to 3 feet above
to match level of lake
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:01 PM
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13. WDSU reporter just said tens of thousands still in their homes...
Tonight may be the deadliest night of the storm. :cry:
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:07 PM
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14. The levee repair never even happened! (NO Mayor)
the helicopter got diverted, the sand bags never put in (wwltv)
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:31 PM
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19. The Helicopter Plan Would Have Never Worked
Sometimes, when you are working an emergency, like I have, politicians make demands that have no basis in fact, and wil not listen to fact. Sometimes you just have to nod and ignore them. I don't know if that was the case here, just relating what I have experienced in these situations.

The mayor stated that saving people was the first priority. The reality is that it would have taken 7,000 (or more) helicopter drops. Would that have been an adequate use of resources?

The following post is where I estimated 3,500 of these 3,000# bags would have been required. That was for a 200' breech. Apparently, the breech is actually 400' long.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1736525&mesg_id=1737243

The following post is from someone who apparently has knowledge of helo lift capabilities. Basically, one bag per trip.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1736525&mesg_id=1737320
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:12 PM
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16. They knew
They bloody well knew this could happen. Damn!

They should have had a thousand boats ready to go, and in the water already.

I can't believe they are so unprepared. They bloody well knew this was gonna happen. It's a sign of government at its worst, all the way from City Hall to the President's office. The only way this could happen was a root failure of democracy, and they want to spread his style of democracy around the world? Damn!
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:19 PM
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18. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO?????
The people that stayed for the most part, obviously don't have means to secure their safety or they would have left.

What is the government going to do to help those left behind? +
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:43 PM
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21. I believe the pumps failed before the levee breaks occured n/t
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