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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:15 AM
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Some more class from Fox. How would you like to hear this in Buloxi ?
NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: Forget insurance. My next guest says not one taxpayer dollar should go toward rebuilding the city of New Orleans (search).

Joining us now is Jack Chambless. He is the economics professor of Valencia Community College in Orlando.

Professor, why do you say that?


JACK CHAMBLESS, ECONOMICS PROFESSOR, VALENCIA COMMUNITY COLLEGE: Well, if we look at Article One, Section Eight of the United States Constitution (search) — and I encourage all Americans to look at that before we start opening up our tax coffers to pay for all of this — we have every obligation to provide for New Orleans in terms of charity, private charity from one person to the other.

But the founding fathers never intended, Article One, section Eight of the Constitution, never intended to provide one dollar of taxpayer dollars to pay for any disaster or anything that we might call charity.

Now with FEMA bailing out Louisiana, bailing out Florida and lowering the overall cost of living in these places, we have people with no incentive to leave. And the law of unintended consequences means that more people are dying with every one of these storms. They're becoming more and more expensive, more and more property loss, just because the federal government has violated the Constitution to provide for these funds.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167790,00.html

So where in the Constitution does it say we should spread democracy to Iraq, Jack?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:16 AM
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1. god these people are fucking scum-balls
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:17 AM
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2. Libertarians should be forced to live in their own Utopia.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:25 AM
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18. It's called Somalia. eom
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:18 AM
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3. Hello, New York!
Feeling the love?

What an asswipe!
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:29 AM
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25. New York 911 Funds were fine
b/c it was rich white people in LI CT and NJ that got the money...all those million dollar traders that perished.

but poor folks in New Orleans shouldn't get anything. It just makes them lazy.

did the founding father encourage charity for big oil and coal?

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:18 AM
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4. That IS the Republican view
They don't want to pay the taxes for this stuff in those states, but they always want the benefits. I disagree with the premise, will do everything I can to help; but there is sure a part of me that wants to tell them to call their church.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:18 AM
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5. Isn't that what their Jesus said?
Commandment #1: Fuck your neighbor, get yours, my brothers.

Commandment #2: Feel no sympathy and have no mercy unless it benefits the portfolio.

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:19 AM
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6. Article 1, Section 8
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

(Emphasis mine)

Gee, that was easy...
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:19 AM
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7. To paraphrase: 'we shouldn't waste our money rebuilding NO'
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 11:21 AM by jim3775
Does he post on DU?

Edit:clarity.
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:19 AM
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8. Just a jackass with a degree who wanted to get on tv
pay no attention. Especially since he claims to be able to read the minds of people long dead (the founding fathers). Doesn't John Edwards do those things? Maybe we should ask him.

And there is that little thing in the preamble "secure the general welfare" that seems to cover it yes?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:19 AM
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9. Bet he sang a different tune last year with the 4 hurricanes in FL.
How much FEMA money has gone to rebuild multi-million dollar homes on the coast lines of Florida over the last 20 years? And don't forget the $millions that were paid to fraudulent claims last year!
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ls317 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:20 AM
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10. Does anyone have this ass clowns email address?????
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kbm8795 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:21 AM
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11. Funny that FAUX didn't put this clown
on last year - he teaches at a community college in Florida. I'd like to see how long he would have kept his sorry-ass junior college professorship if he had said this crap last year after the four hurricanes hit Florida.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:21 AM
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12. The Libertarian Creed.
This is the fiscal side of the Libertarian Creed.

:puke:

What about this, Jack? --

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...."
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:22 AM
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13. That is Conservatism for ya...
"Screw the poor and the victims, if they didn't plan it is their fault"...that is the mantra of every evil republican.

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:25 AM
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20. and it was the political mantra of the middle ages n/t
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:58 PM
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37. Plays right into a serfs and Lords scenario ...
Welcome to the louse ridden Chimp's America
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:22 AM
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14. where was this constitutional scholar
when Bush* was handing out money hand-over-fist in Florida before the election?

You *really* don't want to know how my sister and her husband made out with minor damage to their house and no need to verify anything. Let's just say that they have gone from Republican-ish to die-hard Bushbots because a) they always were greedy and b) "he takes care of Americans"

BTW, they don't seem to think New Orleans "deserves" the same. Why? "they don't look like homeowners but like welfare cases"

(Yes, Florida in their 10 years there has worked its magic on them. I don't even know these people anymore)
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:22 AM
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15. What...an...ass.
See, Faux News isn't always on the pResident's side. Sometimes they're far more conservative and idiotic.
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Weembo Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:24 AM
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16. I'm sure Valencia CC is a fine institution, but . .
They are rummaging pretty deep if this is where they have to go to find folks to spout this bile.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:50 AM
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30. Right when I saw it was from a CC I knew
they had a hard time finding a wack job that crazy to support that pov.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:25 AM
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17. just felt a moment of extreme rage as i read that
How about ending the needless Iraq war, repealing the tax cuts for the rich and help all these people who LOST EVERYTHING IN THEIR LIFE.

I GET SO ANGRY AT THESE FATCAT SOB ASSHOLES.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:25 AM
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19. Then all the soldiers should come home immediately.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 11:29 AM by Marr
I mean, if there's essentially no social contract- if citizens can't expect their government to help them in a time of crisis, why should they help their government? Why should they obey the law? Or pay taxes?
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:28 AM
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21. Well, that's the "Valencia School of Economics" heard from...
Now, I tend to agree with this view when it's applied to luxury beach houses on fragile barrier beaches (read: overgrown sand bars)...

But for entire cities?!? Tar and feather this wingnut!
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:28 AM
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22. "we have people with no incentive to leave"
WTF??????!!!!!!!!!!!! ok, it's too early....but my blood pressure is surely rising!

These people have NO homes to return to, NO jobs to return to, in many cases NO FAMILY to return to.........uh, I think theres the incentive to leave.

These son-of-a-bitch motherfucking slime ball bastards!
Ommmmmmmm, Ommmmmmmmmm..............It's very difficult lately to keep calm!
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:28 AM
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23. Another bit of proof that a big credential is not evidence of intelligence
or wisdom ...or even education!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:29 AM
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24. Jack Chambless
FOXNews.com - The Cost of Freedom - The Cost of Freedom Recap ...
On top of that spending, hurricane victims will have to rebuild homes and purchase ... Jack Chambless: Sure I'ma native of Oklahoma and we have tornadoes. ...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133685,00.html


The Moral Case for Capitalism by Jack Chambless
The Moral Case for Capitalism. by Jack Chambless. “All people, however fanatical
they may ... Contact Jack Chambless, Professor of Economics. up | contents.
http://net.valenciacc.edu/forum/v01/v01.03.jchambless.htm


FOXNews.com - The Cost of Freedom - The Cost of Freedom Recap ...
Jack Chambless, an economics professor at Valencia Community College in Orlando,
... Jack Chambless: Sure I'ma native of Oklahoma and we have tornadoes. ...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133685,00.html

The Razor Wire - Autumn 2003/Winter 2004: Legalizing marijuana ...
asked Jack Chambless as he addressed students and faculty expressing his support
for the legalization of marijuana. We are allowed to have abortions, ...
http://www.november.org/razorwire/2003-02/Valencia.html

RateMyProfessors.com - Ratings for Professor Jack Chambless
... Ratings for Professor Jack Chambless Valencia Community College City: Orlando,
FL Department: Economics Report error with this professor ...
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=204328


Saving each drop - OrlandoSentinel.com: Growth
"I see people hosing down their driveways," said Jack Chambless, an economics
professor at Valencia Community College. "They would never use gas, ...
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/growth/orl-water20102002oct20.story

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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:34 AM
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26. How many places in the US lack the potential for disaster?
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:03 PM by King Coal
Not too many, brothers and sisters, not too many.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:46 AM
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29. Say whut? Did you forget your sarcasm tag?
Tell me one section of this country that doesn't have the potential for disaster.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:02 PM
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33. Thanks LandoLincoln, I should have said lack instead of have.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:51 PM
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38. Okay, I am well rebuked.
Hey, it was early. I'm out of coffee. 'Kay???
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:38 AM
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27. Jack Chambless- Rate My Professor
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 11:39 AM by IanDB1
Teaches from own book which is revised every year equaling more $$$ for him. Isn't it a conflict of interest to make money off the students this way? What a rip off.

<snip>

A good example of why tenure should be eliminated. He is the most arrogant and pompous person I have ever met. If you want a serious economics class, stay away--> He teaches one perspective only - his own. I'm shocked that there are any good comments at all. Additionally, as far as online classes go, he responds to none of his coorespondence!!!!

<snip>

1st of all if you're really into economics and want a balanced education & already have some knowledge, you will be exposed to only one perspective & expected to adopt his beliefs. Secondly as far as online goes, HE DIDN'T RESPOND TO ME ONCE except to say he'd received none of my work & didn't send test despite many calls/e-mails. & Hes tenured!

More:
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=204328



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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:00 PM
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32. Wow. Eye opening.
This one even spells like a freeper.

The professor is great. He is defenetly the best a had so far. teaches with real life applications and did realy expanded my understanding about many things not only economics. Do not take him if you are lazy and defenetly go for his class if you are interested in the subject.

And the burgeoning elitist attitude is oozing out of this one already:

Understand that Chambless’ class is analogous to a 4-year university & not a com. coll. Too many of Valencia’s students are unprepared for college work and expect high school-like material. Honestly, if this is too hard for you, then perhaps trucking school is a more suitable option.


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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:42 PM
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36. You know, we COULD DU his rating on that site... heh heh...
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:50 PM by IanDB1

The class was challenging and informative. But he wrote his own textbook, and publishes a new edition each year, so we have to keep buying it! He has a one-sided view of history and savagely defends his personal politics that make Social Darwinism look humanitarian by comparison. If Hitler had read his book, he would have found a kindred spirit.
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=204328
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:41 AM
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28. NATURAL DISASTER RELIEF IS NOT CHARITY!!!!
That's it,these people at FOX HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!!!

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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:52 AM
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31. Charity - ike the kind we gave FL? Tell Jeb we want that 'charity' back...
Idiots... I guess govt aid is an 'investment' when the govt gives to corp's and Jeb, but when it goes to blue areas, it's 'charity'...

Well, I think that summarizes Compassionate Conservativism very well!
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:07 PM
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34. True, but congress can and did change that for the tsunamis
It probably would take about a minute of their time. During the Asian tsunamis someone pointed that out and congress passed a law making it deductible. Same for 9/11 as I recall.
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:19 PM
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35. Hey, great reasoning Jack!
I guess that means once a disaster destroys your home, all of your friends and kills you too and uproots the school nobody should have to worry about it, right?

:crazy: :crazy:

After all, nobody will care. NOBODY should be forced to donate for charity reasons, or to save millions of lives, god forbid!!!! :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Hey, you can go back to the Soviet Union.
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