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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:03 PM
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NIGHTMARE SCENARIO: Bush declares INSURRECTION
I've got my tinfoil hat firmly in place, but hear me out - this can easily be the most nightmarish situation we have ever faced in this Republic.

ALL DAY LONG the rightwing bloviators have been on TV focusing on the looters in New Orleans, Biloxi and Gulfport. CNN has broadcast public appeals from such officials as ambulance companies, fire departments, etc., appealing to Bush to send in troops to restore order from all the dark-skinned people who are scaring the white folks to death.

This provides PERFECT cover for Bush to declare a state of insurrection exists. That would authorize the U.S. military to come in and take control - and note this - of the RICHEST OIL REGION in the United States. All domestic authority would be suspended; all private property would be COMMANDEERED; looters would be subject to SUMMARY EXECUTION or military trials; all TV, Radio and Newspapers would be placed under military control and subject to censorship. As he did after conquering Iraq, Bush would then be able to contract without bids TOTAL CONTROL of the region's economic infrastructure to his buddies and pals. Once the region is controlled by the military and the White House - WHERE WOULD IT STOP? Bush's thugs would be free to LOOT the richest areas of our poorest states, plunging the poor and disadvantaged into a state somewhere around 5th world status. There will be NO voice available for political opponents, who could be shot or incarcerated in secret military camps. The nation's key petrochemical ports would be under the control of Haliburton, guarded by the full power of the U.S. military. Private property in the region will cease to exist. Civil liberties in the region will cease to exist. Democracy along the Gulf Coast will cease to exist and Bush will be absolute dictator.

Now, how far off base am I?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:05 PM
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1. How off base? VERY.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 02:05 PM by NYCGirl
Edited to add: Although it might make a good made-for-TV movie on the Sci-Fi Channel.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:05 PM
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2. I fully agree. thought Martial Law wouldn't come until late 07
This natural disaster and gas priced chaos moves his agenda forward faster.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:05 PM
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3. Georgie's CHILDHOOD DREAM COME TRUE.
No tinfoil hat needed in my book.

This reads like a Christmas present to the BFEE.
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lindsayg Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:11 PM
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4. BFEE?
.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:11 PM
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5. Bush Familiy Evil Empire
n/t
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:12 PM
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6. Not off base at all....keep watching the reports, you will see....
That what GarySeven has said here may just be the very TRUTH.
I would not be surprised at anything this administration would do.
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:15 PM
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7. Martial Law has already been declared according to ....
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:18 PM
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8. One of your links says that they HAVEN'T declared martial law:
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/a/198081.htm

It has been widely reported that state officials have declared martial law in New Orleans, as the emergency there worsens. However, I recently confirmed with the Governor's office of the State of Louisiana that Governor Kathleen Blanco has not declared martial law.

It would appear that local officials have misused the term, though I have not been able to find the source of the statement. This quickly filtered through the media. (It is more likely that local officials declared a curfew, which gives police probable cause to stop anyone for any reason.)

Just what is martial law, and what are the implications to civil liberties?
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:20 PM
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10. No civil liberties under Martial Law. Curfew and armed Military in your
Streets.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:22 PM
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14. Right. Which is NOT what is going on in New Orleans. The Governor
imposed a curfew. That's not martial law.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:43 PM
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20. You still have certain rights and there are limitations to martial law...
United States Constitution
Martial Law and Constitutional Limitations
http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/constitution/article02/09.html


Martial law
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

There is also a related thread here on DU about it (posted sometime around 08/12/05)

Watch for edit, I'll try to find it.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:58 PM
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25. Somewhere today I read that the LA constitution doesn't
even provide for martial law.

No confirmation; take it as rumor.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:19 PM
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9. Under what authority can Bush declare "INSURRECTION"
that authorizes him to send in the military to take control? Where is this "power" established?
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:35 PM
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16. 50 USC 205
50 USC 205. Suspension of commercial intercourse with State in insurrection

Whenever the President, in pursuance of the provisions of this chapter, has called forth the militia to suppress combinations against the laws of the United States, and to cause the laws to be duly executed, and the insurgents shall have failed to disperse by the time directed by the President, and when the insurgents claim to act under the authority of any State or States, and such claim is not disclaimed or repudiated by the persons exercising the functions of government in such State or States, or in the part or parts thereof in which such combination exists, and such insurrection is not suppressed by such State or States, or whenever the inhabitants of any State or part thereof are at any time found by the President to be in insurrection against the United States, the President may, by proclamation, declare that the inhabitants of such State, or of any section or part thereof where such insurrection exists, are in a state of insurrection against the United States; and thereupon all commercial intercourse by and between the same and the citizens thereof and the citizens of the rest of the United States shall cease and be unlawful so long as such condition of hostility shall continue; and all goods and chattels, wares and merchandise, coming from such State or section into the other parts of the United States, or proceeding from other parts of the United States to such State or section, by land or water, shall, together with the vessel or vehicle conveying the same, or conveying persons to or from such State or section, be forfeited to the United States.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:36 PM
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17. LMAO
That's WAY out there.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:39 PM
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19. The northern commander just talked about it on CNN
har har har.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:55 PM
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23. Really?
He talked about declaring the State of Louisiana as in Insurrection?

Please show me a link or quote.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:04 PM
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26. Talking to Kiera, he outlined the circumstances
by which U.S. forces could take control, starting with a declaration of an insurrection. You said in your post that you found such an idea so funny that your ass had been shaken off; my response was to show you that some people were already thinking along the lines I described, even if I have colored outside the lines a little bit.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:05 PM
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27. OK you win
You sure he said INSURRECTION?
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:45 PM
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21. See sections 1058, 331-334
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:20 PM
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11. doesn't sound too far off
All perfectly consistent with BFEE behavior.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:21 PM
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12. if he does then pick sides folks, grab a stick
and let it begin. all the marbles. i hope the "dark" side will accept me as a brother.
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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:21 PM
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13. No need for martial law ...

The locals could simply deputize the guard units to enforce CIVIL law including cerfews etc...

You're a bit over the top on this one. And this is coming from someone who is often over-the-top.

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:22 PM
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15. Bush steals the oil facilities of big oil corporations?
Isn't that a little unlikely?

Besides, BUsh's MO is to encourage people to pretend nothing is wrong, not insitute radical measures, no matter what the problem.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:38 PM
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18. The oil companies would operate WITHOUT oversight
NO payment of royalties to states ...
NO requirement to follow pollution controls ...
NO requirement to operate safe plants ...
NO requirement to obey federal wage and hour laws ...
No requirement to pay income or withholding taxes ...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:54 PM
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22. Martial Law-- Related threads
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 02:57 PM by IanDB1
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Pentagon devising scenarios for martial law in US
Topic started by NVMojo on Aug-10-05 01:24 AM (0 replies)
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Chertoff Differs With the Military (No Martial Law via the Pentagon???)
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:57 PM
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24. after you finish the next bowl from the bong
watch some Comedy Central instead over analyzing the news of the day

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