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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:19 PM
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I don't know if there's any truth to this rumor
but everyone here is freaking out.

Someone spread the word that all of the gas stations in Atlanta will close around 9 p.m., as we have run out of gas.

People are leaving work to rush to the gas stations.

I tried to pull up the Atlanta Journal Constitution, but it says "page not available"
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:20 PM
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1. Have you asked a gas station clerk?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:21 PM
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2. Call one
call a 7-11 or something.

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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:21 PM
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3. i can get ajc.com
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growlypants Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:22 PM
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4. I heard that here in Philly too. Apparently, you guys somehow
get all your gas from the Louisiana area and the pipes cant pump cuz there's no electricity.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:24 PM
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5. Rumors of shortages - no shortage of rumors
That was one of the aspects of life in the Soviet Union.

BushCo's American Empire is collapsing just like the old USSR, and perhaps more quickly.
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:33 PM
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17. Did the Soviet Union typically have supply shocks.
A supply shock is what has happened when the supply of a good is quickly cut off. In the case of the potential shortages the supply shock is caused by not being able to get oil transported because of the damage caused by the storm.

FYI: In the Soviet Union shortages were caused by production not being able to adequately meet demand at the costs being charged.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:44 PM
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22. They also had supply shocks
Poorly maintained refineries blew up all the time.

Military had first dibs on all production, so shortages were a way of life.
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:51 PM
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25. The shortages there were not just for oil.
They also were not because of extraordinary events.

Also; if the military had last dibs on production there would have still been shortages. It just would have changed who was left without.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:58 PM
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29. In Russia, the extraordinary is still ordinary.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 03:49 PM by leveymg
Most Americans have no idea, yet, what it's like to live in a state of continuous, life-threatening crisis. But, we're getting there.

People get used to it, and even develop a sense of humor about catastrophies and catastrophically stupid leadership.

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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:24 PM
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6. Spread it anyway
It sounds good.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:25 PM
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10. ha!. . . . eom
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:26 PM
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11. have you calmed down yet?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:32 PM
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16. Should probably mention, BTW
That the link proving it's not a rumor (WSB) is a Cox Enterprises owned radio station. Cox Ent. also owns the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

Seeing as how this poster you're replying to demands trustworthy sources and all.........

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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:44 PM
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21. Credible reporting. Tenuous conclusion.
The statement from the article you posted, "There are concerns that the situation COULD lead to gas shortages in metro Atlanta." is a LONG way from "...all of the gas stations in Atlanta will close around 9 p.m., as we HAVE run out of gas."

See the difference?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:48 PM
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23. So you even doubt the GOVERNOR of Georgia?
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 02:51 PM by Boredtodeath
Ooooookay.........let me bow before the all knowing god MildyRules......

And, reports from every Georgia gas station indicate that what they have in the pumps is all they will have for the foreseeable future.

That's what the OWNERS of the stations are telling us.

State to Wave Gas Regulations
http://wsbradio.com/news/083005govgas.html

(WSB Radio) -- Governor Perdue has announced that the State of Georgia is waving certain gasoline regulations to help minimize gas price hikes and supply issues in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

The Georgia Environmental Protection Division (EPD) is waiving state requirements for higher additive gasoline required during the summer months until September 15. Waiving this requirement will allow gasoline suppliers to bring available gasoline into Georgia to help alleviate shortages and keep prices to a minimum.

"While the state's requirement for cleaner burning gasoline is an important part of the plan to improve air quality in metropolitan Atlanta, this emergency has occurred late in the smog season and easing our requirements will help ensure an adequate supply of gasoline for Georgians," says EPD Director Carol Couch.

The Governor's Office and EPD will work with suppliers to bring available gas to the state as quickly as possible and to ensure that prices reflect its lower cost.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:51 PM
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26. I used the link YOU provided
It says nothing about the Governor of Georgia nor the owners of gas stations. If you have more facts, I'm open to admitting it's more than rumor.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:56 PM
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28. Didn't look far, didya?
Read the edit - link on the SAME site to another article about the Governor.

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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:59 PM
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30. Nice.
Add an edit AFTER I respond. Where does the Gov say in that article that GA is going to run out of gas at 2100 tonight?
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:03 PM
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33. I'm better
Stil have not heard ANYTHING about 15 or so relatives though...
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:37 PM
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19. It will only serve to increase the chance that it happens.
If it happens it will hurt consumers through either shortages or higher prices.



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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:38 PM
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49. YO
There are plenty of first hand accounts out there. What's to spread?
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:24 PM
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7. I don't know if it's that bad just yet.
But, if there's any truth to it this would explain it.


Gas pipelines down
Much higher prices, shortages possible

By STACY SHELTON , MICHAEL E. KANELL
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/31/05

Metro Atlanta drivers are facing the possibility of paying considerably more than $3 a gallon for gas by Labor Day — if they can get it at all.

The two pipelines that bring gasoline and jet fuel to the region are down — powerless to pump as Hurricane Katrina wreaked havoc on electrical infrastructure.


The metro Atlanta region generally has about a 10-day supply of gasoline in inventory, said BP spokesman Michael Kumpf. The pipelines have been down for two days.

Alpharetta-based Colonial Pipeline Co., cut off from its suppliers on the Gulf Coast, is now pumping gas from huge storage tanks, many in Powder Springs. Whether electric power can be restored to the pipeline pumps before supplies run out is "the great uncertainty ... that hangs over all of us," said Daniel Moenter, a spokesman for Marathon Ashland Petroleum, a major supplier of metro Atlanta's fuel.

Some suppliers are rationing gasoline to retailers, so some stations may already be near empty.

With supplies uncertain, oil companies and larger wholesalers are ratcheting up prices, partly to slow demand. Some local wholesalers already are paying 65 to 80 cents per gallon more than they paid three days ago. That kind of price increase will hit the pumps within a few days.

On Monday, the scare talk was about prices hitting $3 a gallon at the pump. By Tuesday, that line had changed for the worse, said Tex Pitfield, president of Saraguay Petroleum Corp., which delivers gas to retailers.

"Depending on how much damage has actually taken place and the time involved in getting the infrastructure up and running, is $4 a gallon out of the question? Not necessarily," he said.



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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:25 PM
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Gas is out at a couple stations in the Detroit area.
A week where we don't use gas might be a good thing.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:02 PM
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31. They will have it ready for the Labor Day weekend
The tourism is too big a part of Michigan's economy. Stations will be ready for the holiday.

I filled up yesterday. I am going out of town this weekend, so I hope there are no problems getting gas between here and Benton Harbor/St. Joe.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:25 PM
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8. More than rumor
From an earlier post by Roland99 in LBN:

http://wsbradio.com/news/083105gasshortages3a.html

(WSB Radio) -- The two main pipelines that provide gasoline to Georgia are expecting Katrina related shortages in the coming days.

Colonial Pipeline and Plantation Pipeline suffered damage to refineries in Louisiana and Mississippi that may prevent the companies from pumping gasoline and diesel through their lines in the southeast.

There are concerns that the situation could lead to gas shortages in metro Atlanta.

The companies are also the sole providers of jet fuel to Hartsfield-Jackson.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:26 PM
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12. thank you!!!!
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:28 PM
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15. Welcome
Now go fill your tank before there are fights in the lines!!!!!!!!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:37 PM
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18. I wish I could leave now, but I can't
*pout*
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:49 PM
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24. Oh, wow! Lines should be a disaster by this evening n/t
n/t
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:03 PM
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34. I just got someone to help with my project so that I can leave
:D
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:11 PM
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39. Good!
While you're out and about, stop at the grocery store and stock up on canned goods. If these gas shortages are real (and I'm sure they are) food shortages are next. The food is all delivered by trucks (which also won't have gas).

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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:12 PM
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40. Good luck, Cat
Serioulsy. Hope you get the gas you need without too much of a wait.
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:41 PM
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50. Good Luck
I'm just worried about what will happen if all the hype is true and gas WON'T be available
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:34 PM
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51. I just stocked-up at Costco a few weeks back
Got lots of dried food. Rice, beans, some canned veg, canned meat. We're close location wise, both in L'ville. If ya run short, drop me a PM and I will share my food stock with ya. If it gets real bad, at least we will be able to eat.

I doubt this shortage will continue though, but gas will probably never see less than $2/gallon again, ever.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:52 PM
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27. Hey Cat...
CNBC (Financial) was reporting on that too earlier today. They were saying that the pipelines were not severely damaged, but that there was no power (in various spots) to make the pumps on the pipeline work. They were talking about getting generators to those pumps, but that it would be tough because EVERYBODY is looking to purchase generators at the moment.

Sounds like somebody's gonna hafta eminent domain some of those suckers to the pipeline before gasoline riots erupt, no???

:shrug:

:bounce::hi::bounce:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:25 PM
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9. I heard they've already canceled 100's of flights
out of Atlanta and Memphis because they get their jet fuel from NO.

Don't worry Bush has authorized the use of dirtier more polluting gas to get us through.

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:27 PM
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13. Likely true


http://wsbradio.com/news/083105gasshortages3a.html

(WSB Radio) -- The two main pipelines that provide gasoline to Georgia are expecting Katrina related shortages in the coming days.

Colonial Pipeline and Plantation Pipeline suffered damage to refineries in Louisiana and Mississippi that may prevent the companies from pumping gasoline and diesel through their lines in the southeast.

There are concerns that the situation could lead to gas shortages in metro Atlanta.

The companies are also the sole providers of jet fuel to Hartsfield-Jackson.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:28 PM
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14. In Tupelo, MS
many gas stations are out of gas...

I just spoke to friend of mine who's dad is the local distributor -- he doesn't have any gas and doesn't know when he'll get any.
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:39 PM
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20. I have heard these rumors in Virginia
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:05 PM
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36. I just filled up 10 minutes ago
no problems. no lines. It cost an arm and a leg as usual.

As a sign of how great this country is I will point out that the station attendant was a muslim woman with her head covered.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:07 PM
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37. Well, throwing a panic is a damn good way to make SURE
the gas stations run out, isn't it?

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down. Jeez.

Redstone
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:08 PM
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38. Hey, I got flamed
for trying to say that. Tread carefully.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:12 PM
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41. Then you need to discuss it with the Governor of Georgia
Because he's the one who started the panic.

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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:15 PM
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43. Oh Good LORD
He did NOT. No where did he say that GA was going to run OUT of gasoline tonight.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:15 PM
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44. Hey, THERE'S a real leader, then. Wouldn't be Republican, would he?
He's being about as helpful as bushyboy.

Redstone
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:38 PM
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46. Redstone -- I just got home
and I sat in line for over an hour.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:12 PM
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42. Bill Gates is donating $5 to New Orleans relief charities for
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 03:16 PM by ArkDem
every time this reply is emailed to one of your friends.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:50 PM
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48. haha...good one!!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 04:36 PM
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45. Telephone report from Austell area (near Atlanta) - QuickTrip closed
No gas, so they closed.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:40 PM
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47. I went to Sams Club on Mountain Industrial
and sat in line over an hour

There are several other stations in that area -- all had long lines.

One station even took their prices down - tho I'm thinking they are just trying to figure out how much more to jack them up.
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