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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:37 PM
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FEMA director saying no one predicted Katrina would be so bad
Live, on Larry King, right now.

I can't believe what I'm hearing. It was predicted everywhere in the week preceding the event. What the fuck is this guy smoking.

.....and he's in charge of cleaning up this mess?

We're fucked!!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:39 PM
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1. Strange, how on Monday, the MSM were saying "Thank God this is less
than predicted".

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:44 PM
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17. I was just saying that very thing!
I was just furious on Monday when they kept saying New Orleans had dodged the bullet.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:23 PM
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50. it's BS a 2004 study was funded by Homeland Sec --- they are covering
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:27 PM
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53. Yeah, I read that study before Katrina hit...
The dire predictions were everywhere.

Nobody is going to buy into their excuses.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:39 PM
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2. That's just BULLSHIT!
Do these assholes think EVERYONE in this country is stupid?

peace.
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muwriter Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:39 PM
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3. Refer him to the NWS bulliten.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:39 PM
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4. Yeah...and no one predicted terrorists would fly planes into buildings
I have never seen such experts at ass covering in my life.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:39 PM
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5. He's a liar and a bush toady. What would we expect?
They lie because they know the truth would bury them. Just like with Iraq.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:40 PM
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6. A FUCKING CATAGORY 5 ???? He should be in a home.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:44 PM
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18. Gee, my recollection is that ...
"We" thought it was going to be SO bad that local governments issued mandatory evacuations for millions of people ... and gathered info from those that refused so that (if necessary) their bodies could be identified.

Just prior to the hurricane making landfall I stated that it was awful realizing that a city may no longer exist ...

IDIOT!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:02 PM
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31. No, he should be in a flooded attic, preferably floating belly up.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:40 PM
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7. This fuckwad was Smirk's campaign dude
He is a political hack and not qualified for the position, as can be easily seen.

Why doesn't someone call in Larry King and ask this guy what his former job was?
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:54 PM
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24. If we had journalists, instead of media whores...
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 08:57 PM by suegeo
Someone has to call in to ask this?!

Why can't Larry King ask this guy about his former job? Why can't Larry King call this FEMA doof out on his bullshit statement that no one predicted this? When it was just a day or two ago that people were screaming that this was a monster storm.

The media is the enemy, not the watchdog.

On Edit, I don't mean to be bashing you, it's just that the media is so effing lame, I can't take much more of the b.s.

Also, to agree with the original poster: we are truly fucked.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:05 PM
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34. I know what you mean
I'm pretty pissed off myself. I live in Louisiana, fortunately not in the path of the storm, but have/had(?) an apartment in the quarter and I dearly love that city.

This is beyond incompetence and gross neglect.

Bush is so utterly useless as president that its hard to believe that so many millions still support this idiot.

I'm disgusted beyond belief
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:41 PM
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8. A CAT 5
isn't that bad?? It was predicted...
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:41 PM
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9. If the Surgeon General is "America's Family Doctor"
then the Director of FEMA is "America's Fire Chief" - and that isn't the attitude of our local real life Fire Chief - or of Tommie Gavin on "Rescue Me."
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:41 PM
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10. Spin...Spin...Spin...
And no, NOLA is f**ked.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:41 PM
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11. Yup, same with the airplanes and the twin towers
Such complete bullshit. The MSM is loving the chaotic footage but refuse to reveal the extent to which it was known that this event was acomin' for years. Added to the fact that Bush slashed funding intended to be available for hurricane relief.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:41 PM
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12. BULLSHIT!!
EVERYONE ELSE did. :grr:
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:42 PM
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13. Such Catastrophe Has Been Predicted For Years
But not as Katrina. Emergency Managers were well aware that the levees in NOLA could only hold back a moderate hurricane and that the storm surge from a severe hurricane would breach the levees and flood the city, potentially causing thousands of deaths. That is why NOLA was trying to get money to improve its levees.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:42 PM
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14. They were hoping it wouldn't be so bad.
Looks like they gambled and lost.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:46 PM
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20. They Gambled, But Innocents Lost
their lives, that is.

I stand by my assertation in other threads that this is our 9-11 for natural disasters. I hope the death toll is lower, but I also hope we study what went wrong and do everything we can to prevent such a catastrophe from occurring again. We are going into a more active hurricane era (you can blame it on human induced global warming or a natural cycle, but the result is the same) so there is no way to know that such a strom wouldn't happen again, mabye sooner rather than later. On Sunday, some talking head called Katrina the storm of a lifetime, but I don't think we should count on it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:00 PM
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30. In third world countries when natural disaster hit, it's always the
poor who suffer the most. So if anyone ever had a doubt that we are a third world country, the proof is here. You know there was a time after the New Deal and the War on Poverty that we didn't have homeless. We had poor people but they had places to live and basic necessities.

I remember my husband saying to me, in the early eighties when the main commercial street up from where we lived was filling up with homeles, that our city was beginning to resemble Calcutta, a place he had once visited.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:14 PM
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44. Third World Countries Have High Death Tolls, Too
Civilized, advanced countries do not.

That is what I always thought when I heard about like Hurricane Mitch killing 10,000 in Central America. Well, those are poor undeveloped countries, that is why so many died. We are an advanced nation, that is why death tolls from our hurricanes are under 100.

What a fool I was.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:20 PM
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47. We are not an advanced nation anymore.
And as long as the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have the downtrodden drinking the koolaid, it's going to be hard to convince people not to vote against their best interests.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:42 PM
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15. Well, that makes me feel so much better.
Not!

:)
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:43 PM
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16. Well, no one other than
FEMA AND THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE!!!

Fucking moron.
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:46 PM
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19. It's their new talking point. They think we don't remember what the
media and weather experts were saying in the days leading up to the hurricane. They know they are in trouble over their lack of response.



I swear to God they are evil. Evil and incompetent.

Just think of the havoc those SOBS could wreak if they had a freaking clue.

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dejaboutique Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:50 PM
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21. DUH! Discovery Channel did .....
discovery channel did an hour fucking long program on this EXACT subject a year ago...the WHOLE hour was devoted to what would happen to NO if this kind of storm came. Certainly FEMA has some scientists
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:51 PM
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22. Bull Hockey!
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 08:51 PM by theHandpuppet
The folks at the Weather Channel were practically screaming their warnings day and night long before Katrina struck -- and told folks exactly what a catastrophe this could be if it hit NO & the Gulf Coast.

That FEMA guy is a lying sack of cow chips!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:31 PM
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56. I saw those Weather Channel
reporters Sunday night. And then Monday morning there wasn't much about New Orleans on it before I went to work. By Tuesday at work..someone came in and said it was Really Bad in New Orleans.

This fema guy needs to get nailed on his response.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:51 PM
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23. This is such a BULLSHIT!!!
Everyone knew it was coming few days before!!!!!! Where the fuck is his brain??? Oh, forgot, don't have one!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:56 PM
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25. he is a bush political advisor from Texas
with no experience in the job he was awarded. Yes, we are fucked.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:56 PM
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26. Rumsfeld's in charge and FEMA is history
Pentagon Coordinating Katrina Response

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_pentagon

Destroying FEMA
snip>
What follows is an obituary for what was once considered the preeminent example of a federal agency doing good for the American public in times of trouble, such as the present.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901445_pf.html

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:59 PM
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27. But I could have predicted a stupid comment from a Bushbot
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:59 PM
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28. What is this fuckstick's name?
This is a name I need to remember. This is a guy I want to go look up one of these days when he's rolling in his own urine in a gutter somewhere.

HAS THIS ADMINISTRATION EVER TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE SINGLE GODDAMNED THING?

-Condi couldn't have known about the planes.
-dipshit "inherited" a recession from Clinton
-and then September 11th happened, which further fucked the economy.
-and then the Iraqis made us take the war to them.

And on and on.

So what's the FEMA jerkoff's name? And who has a Lexis/Nexis login?
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #28
37. Joe Albaugh.
Incidentally, someone was saying he doctored Bush's guard records. Is that so? Anyone?
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:07 PM
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39. Thanks n/t
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:11 PM
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41. Albaugh held the job before this guy (Brown) (n/t)
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. Woops, you are right.
Sorry!

And I had such fun posting his hair :(
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:09 PM
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40. His name is Michael Brown (n/t)
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:12 PM
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42. Thanks for the correction n/t
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:21 PM
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49. Sorry about that.
Thanks for clearing up the confusion, other guy, LOL!
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:59 PM
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29. Give me a F***ING break!
New Orleans, whether a direct hit or side-swiped, was predicted to take a hit from a Cat 4-5 hurricane. The city is below sea level, below Lake Ponchartrain lake level, and was protected only by earthen dams. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and now that asswipe from FEMA is covering the collective ass of the Bush and the neocon friends. Since 2003 it has been a part of the BushCo Homeland Security, kiss my fucking ass. And this same group of greedy misanthropes also have seen fit to retract an ungodly amount of funding that was supposed to be in place to protect New Orleans from disaster...an unprecedented move...fuckwads.
Bush is such a total fuck up. The well-laid plans of the GOP and the PNAC miscalculated when they propped the Bozo King up to be their world puppet playing the leader of a country in the free world...shitpile m'fuckers.
:rant: :mad: :rant: :mad: :rant: :mad: :rant: :mad:
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:02 PM
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32. Let the spin begin. They know that Americans
are wondering about Bush's dip-shit administration, why action was not taken sooner and why there was no reaction from Bush until today. Remember they blame everyone and everything but themselves.

We shouldn't be surprised the director's comments. :mad:
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:04 PM
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33. will he be fired? of course not....promoted...*ushcountry
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:05 PM
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35. He can't even manage his own hair, this guy. Truthfully. Look here:
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:22 PM by tjdee


on edit:

Unfortunately, this funny haired guy was the former FEMA director. Now that it's under Homeland Security, the guy is Mr. Brown.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:06 PM
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36. Dude, were you in a sensory deprivation tank for three days?
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:07 PM by mtnester
Drug induced coma?
Were you deaf, mute and BLIND for three days?
In the outback on a journey quest for a week?

Or are you just that stupid? Every couch potato within EARSHOT of a TV, radio or another human BEING for the last week knew this was going to be this bad. ....


I vote for he is just that stupid.

On edit - "you're fired"
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:07 PM
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38. He's a Bush appointee yes? What else could one expect?
They're liars and mis-leaders.

That's the sum of it.

Take names, geocode locations, and wait for hell to rain down upon them!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:13 PM
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43. All the Village Idiots occupy top roles in the Bush Misadministration.
These people are making the rest of America live in Hell. Truly this nation is decades away from ever returning to peace and prosperity. That is depressing that GHWB's Idiot Son wrecked what was good about America!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:15 PM
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45. Actually they predicted worse
175 mph winds, as first predicted, would have scoured the earth clean for many, many miles.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:20 PM
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46. The guy is smoking crack
I as some idiot at home watching our crappy media coverage had a clue on Friday--THIS is the person in charge?

What a bunch of lying thieving SOBS
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:25 PM
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51. They should have clicked on DU
There were so many people screaming about how bad this could be that it started to make some people annoyed. The people screaming were right and those who were annoyed are probably shaking their heads in agreement with the FEMA idiot, "Right! No one could have known!"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:26 PM
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52. BULLSHIT LIAR!
They said it was going to be a CAT 5 and it was going to be DEVASTATING on Sunday night..by Monday I thought it had gone down to a 4 and maybe New Orleans had lucked out. But, then it got bad again..because the levee broke.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:29 PM
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54. He's coming up again on CNN ...
Somebody needs to ask him what the fuck he's talking about.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:30 PM
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55. Same ass who totally distorted the "top 3 disaster scenarios"
I saw him earlier saying that the fact that a New Orleans hurricane was listed as one of the top 3 worst scenarios in some gov't report proves that FEMA was doing a first-rate job!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:32 PM
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57. "What the fuck is this guy smoking"
He's snorting Bush's Ass! That's how all the GOPers get their buzz!
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:37 PM
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58. Guess he didn't tune into the weather channel
What planet do these people live on?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:48 PM
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59. Despicable liar.
Peace.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:51 PM
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60. Flip flop flip flop
Fish outta water.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:53 PM
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61. He was backpedaling all over the place on Aaron Brown
Brown was being pretty tough on him too - he seemed a bit shell-shocked actually...
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:00 PM
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62. He was backpedaling....
Said he had last minute second thoughts (premonitions) on Sunday that it was gonna be worse than they prepared for.

Whatever dude!

Bush's cuts to the FEMA budget, and not funding the needed levee work in NOLA are going to bury him. (Finally!)
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:03 PM
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63. Yeah, just what we need - a FEMA guy who believe's in magic
Like the other Zealots in the Nazi, um, er, Republican party...
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:10 PM
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64. Didnt I also hear him say
that they 'prepared' for a cat5 3 yrs ago?
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:26 PM
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67. Yes, he talked about a study they did..
I thought he said two years ago, but I might be mistaken.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:38 PM
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68. either way...
if they 'prepared' for a cat 5, shouldnt they...grrrr....someone make the spinning in my head stop!!
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:14 PM
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65. I knew it was coming and I am a 40something stay at home mom
All you have to do is open your eyes and read the information that is out there. There is NO excuse for any gov't official to have missed this.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:23 PM
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66. National Hurricane center in Miami
You know those guys who track the damn thing. Called the Mayor of NO personally and told him that this was the big one. See below:


I think there is a very good possibility it will indeed get stronger," Max Mayfield, director of the U.S. National Hurricane Center, told WSVN television in Miami.

"This hurricane has the potential to cause extreme damage and large loss of lives if they don't take action very soon."




http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=9490263
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