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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:00 AM
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It Was Dick Cheney!:
It Was CHENEY - He will be punished



It Was Dick Cheney!:

We need to realize that EVERYTHING Bush, Novak, and McClellan are SAYING is absolutely true. But everything they're TELLING US is a lie. We have to remember to listen carefully to the exact words.

Novak originally said that the information about Wilson's wife came from, "two senior administration officials." THIS IS TRUE.

Novak also says that, "Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this." THIS IS ALSO TRUE.

There is ONE MAN in the world who is BOTH a senior administration official, and does not release information from the administration (from the White House).

There is ONE MAN in the world who invested his reputation and resources to the Niger yellowcake story, more than any other.

There was ONE MAN in the world who knew of Wilson's trip to Niger as well as he knew about the identity of Wilson's wife.

THE MAN'S NAME IS **DICK CHENEY**.

The yellowcake story was Cheney's baby.

Joseph Wilson killed Dick Cheney's baby.

So, when Scott McClellan talks about how "ridiculous" it is that the leak could have come out of Karl Rove, it's because he knows this statement to be true. Rove IS NOT the one who ORIGINALLY released this information. There is no way this could have been the case because there's really no scenario that would explain how Rove could legitimately be in possession of this information. But Rove is a part of the conspiracy, all the same.

The plan was for Cheney & Novak to make the info about Wilson's wife "common knowledge around Washington." That was the first wave of the attack. The second wave was initiated when Cheney told Rove that he (Cheney or his office) had put Wilson's wife's identity in print, and that she, and her identity, were now, "FAIR GAME." The rest was left to Rove. Rove, or people working with Rove, then made the FAIR GAME phone calls to the media, knowing that Cheney & Novak had laid the groundwork to cover their asses (legally) by making the secret information, "common knowledge around Washington."

The White House is trying to convince us that the Novak disclosure and the "FAIR GAME" phone calls were taking place as one continuous event, but they were not. The Novak crimes (disclosures) were designed to set up the FAIR GAME phone calls from Rove. This was a two-point plan. Novak is working with the White House on this. He is knowingly trying to mislead any would- be investigations and may eventually go down for this obvious obstruction (at least).

Scott McClellan completed the second wave on Wednesday. When asked to make a distinction between disclosing the identity of a covert CIA operative and discussing it after it is published, McClellan said, ""That is such a broad question, about is it OK to discuss news articles," he said. "I mean, news articles are discussed all the time."

So, is there one top-level White House official whose email, phone records, etc. ARE NOT being protected by orders of the Justice Department? Is there one top-level White House official who does not work in the White House and whose staff is not under evidence protection orders or legal scrutiny? Is Cheney watching and laughing?

Cheney is the only top level White House official who DID NOT go before cameras this week to talk about everything he doesn't know. Dick Cheney won't be seen any time soon.

When they (McClellan & co.) say, "White House," they're actually saying, "THE PLACE WHERE CHENEY IS NOT." Notice how often they use the terminology "White House." And when Novak uses the word "identity," in talking about Valerie Plame, he's not talking about her job at the CIA, he's talking about her "identity" as Wilson's wife. It's a word game. The words are true; the message is a lie.

LISTEN TO THE WORDS THEY USE.

Sorry Dick

Bye Bye Dick

I am posting this discussion thread for a very new poster - but I do believe that this dissection of the scenario is accurate.
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:04 AM
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1. I tend to agree with your conclusion
My husband and I have thought all along that Cheney is the culprit. BTW, we also think he's the real president, with Poppy pulling most of the strings.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:06 AM
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2. It Does Sound Like Cheney
I especially want to see the cold-hearted phrase "fair game" become a bigger part of the story. That phrase is very telling and will not over well with anyone.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:07 AM
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3. It's very obvious that its Cheney
Which makes me wonder why they are only investigating the WH.

Nevermind, I know why they are only investigating the WH. Because they don't want to catch bunkerboy.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:09 AM
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4. Pat Buchanan almost (or did) wet himself yesterday
when potentially IDing one of the callers as Scooter Libby, during an interview with an ex-CIA agent who claims to know the identity of the leakers.


Smells like Cheney with a smattering of Rove.


Very good post! Welcome ByeDick!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:15 AM
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5. The OEB technically is not the WH. Nice thesis, UIA.
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dback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:16 AM
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6. That means he'll step down for "health reasons"--helloooooooo, Condi!
The Cheney/Agnew connection--a la the Bush/Nixon connection--would deinitely crystalize things. WOnder how long before TIME or some magazine does a front-page story comparing the two administrations? (I've been more impressed with TIME than Newsweek the past couple years--TIME actually seems interested in reporting on Bush and co, instead of just fellating him.)

However, if Cheney steps down, that means Condi will be the #1 choice to step up to the plate, since Powell has said unequivocally that he will not do it. (He's still leaving even if they're re-elected, right?)

Condi would be a helluvva candidate--I don't agree with her positions, but she's bright, poised, articulate--and women and minorities would be hard pressed to avoid voting her Veep. That could seriously injure the Democratic candidate, whomever they are.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:44 AM
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7. Kick
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:48 AM
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8. Cheney is already setting himself up for a graceful exit
After years of being a virtual recluse, he's suddenly taking to telling obvious lies about not taking money from Halliburton and a Saddam-9/11 connection on Meet The Press. Don't be surprised if he decides to resign in order to end the probe and protect the Pretzel-Dunce from controversy "for the good of the party."


rocknation
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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 01:54 PM
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9. I don't know about the graceful part
Kick
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 02:00 PM
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10. Compelling argument.
If you're right, they're probably prepping Scooter Libby (Cheney's Chief of Staff) right now to take the fall (revelatins coming out Friday afternoon).

Purpose for leak not PRIMARILY for revenge (Cheney knows better) or warning OR to imply nepotism (the fact
that's what Novak played this does not make it the intent), but to discredit Wilson, implying he was a maverick
dying to get at the administration and so had himself sent to Niger ("his wife at CIA sent him."). THIS has Cheney-Libby fingerprints on it.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 02:20 PM
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11. Another way to look at it, yields similar results!
People have speculated about the reason for the leaked information, but their reasoning has been insufficiently clear to date. There are four possible reasons, three commonly referred to and one largely overlooked:

1. Revenge on Wilson.

2. Warning to any others with similar information or gripes.

3. To indicate nepotism, and thus discredit Wilson.

4. To imply the trip was self-initiated (i.e., Wilson got wife to send him) and thus discredit
him.


These are not, as is often pointed out, mutually exclusive. But the primary one is the last (#4). If the administration could show that Wilson was chomping at the bit to get to Niger, they could paint him and his investigation as partisan. Here's how the their scenario would go run: "Wilson's yelling about the false information in the President's speech, but no one could really believe his investigation in Niger was objective since he was a Clinton man, got himself assigned to Niger the previous fall, then found what he WANTED, and reported to the CIA. We didn't give him any credibility from the start, and neither should the American people. He's been a maverick with an agenda all along.

The nepotism "take" (#3) was thick-headed Novak's, who simply didn't "read" the leak in the manner intended. It would not discredit Wilson anything like the "maverick with an agenda" charge.

#1-2 are side benefits, only, not the primary reasons IMHO.

Once we see #4 as primary, we see another kind of mind working. One which is intelligent, cold and dispassionately calculating, trying to substitute one narrative to undercut another. The thinking is no indicative of a person given to firebombing opponents (like Rove?), but one who can discover a deft and subtle way to relegate Wilson to the junkpile of history. Nothing personal; he's just gone. No credibility. No more editorials. Nada.

To my mind, this places it in Cheney's lap. Scooter Libby or someone under Scooter could well have been the initial leak. Remember, at the time Wilson was characterized as a person who was sent to Niger at the behest of the Vice President. So who would Novak have called first when he wondered how a Clinton appointee would have been sent on this mission? Scooter.

#1-2 (revenge and warning) make better stories, but they might draw us away from the true leakers.

IMHO

I still think they are preparing Scooter to take the fall tomorrow. Today, he's with lawyers and in meetings with the staff on how to minimize the political fallout and what to say to investigators. (That's speculative.)
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 02:26 PM
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12. Kick
I've always thought Cheney was THE most 'malevolent' person in the administration, and your analysis fits well with me reaction to him. Thanks!:)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 02:33 PM
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13. I don't care if Chenney goes first. Just as long as all the
other thugs go shortly after.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 02:54 PM
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14. I don't think it was cheney himself
It's just too risky. He would put a couple of layers between himself and jeopardy.

I saw somewhere else that people are saying that Richard Perle leaked to Cliff May. How might that fit into the above scenario?
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