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Shadoobie Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:54 PM
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Should San Francisco be worried?
Every one has heard by now FEMA's 2001 report about the three cities where the
"likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country" would occur.
A terrorist attack in NYC, an earthquake in San Francisco, and a hurricane hitting
New Orlean. So this got me wondering what preventative measure are being taken
to help San Francisco. Here is some of what I found:

From March 2, 2001 San Francisco Chronicle
"President Bush has resurrected a Clinton administration effort to require
all public buildings to carry disaster insurance, a move that could cost California
state and local governments hundreds of millions of dollars."
...
"But the provision re-emerged in the fine print of the 207-page budget
outline Bush sent to Congress on Wednesday. The budget outline said the requirement
would be phased in over three years and would save the federal government $83
million in 2002"
...
"Based on a formula offered by FEMA, the city calculated it would cost
more than $20 million a year just for earthquake insurance on about $7 billion
worth of public buildings -- six times as much as the city spends to insure
against fires, windstorms, explosions, riots and other disasters.
Lucien Canton, director of San Francisco's Office of Emergency Services, said
the city would be better off putting the money toward seismic retrofitting of
its buildings."
--more--


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/02/MN213281.DTL


From Sept 15, 2004 San Francisco Bay Guardian
"Among emergency specialists, "mitigation" – the measures
taken in advance to minimize the damage caused by natural disasters –
is a crucial part of the strategy to save lives and cut recovery costs. But
since 2001, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years,
have been slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation
program created by the Clinton administration, has been canceled outright. Federal
funding of post-disaster mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property
from the next disaster has been cut in half, and now communities across the
country must compete for pre-disaster mitigation dollars."
...
"In the Bay Area, where living on an earthquake fault should prioritize
disaster preparedness, state and city funding for emergency management and citizens'
training is often precarious.
"We have a limited state grant, but we rely more heavily on federal funding,"
says Lt. Erica Arteseros, coordinator of the San Francisco Fire Department's
Neighborhood Emergency Response Team training program. She describes the tight
budgetary situation of a year ago, when NERT funding was cut on both city and
federal levels. "We had to operate pretty much on a shoestring."
--more--

This article has a great history of FEMA under Bush.
http://www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html

From May 2005 San Francisco Magazine:
"Disastrous Preparation
Expect raging fires, major gridlock, hundreds of thousands homeless...
The threat: shaky structures
An estimated 15,000 Bay Area dwellings are built over a "soft-story"
parking area or storefront, lacking adequate diagonal bracing to prevent swaying
and collapse.
The fix: Make diagonal bracing mandatory in every soft-story
building. Engineers estimate that installation costs from $4 to $10 per square
foot. What's your life worth?
What's being done: State Assembly Bill 304 seeks to give cities
and counties the authority to implement soft-
story retrofitting but doesn't make it mandatory. Many apartment owners, particularly
those with rent-controlled buildings, balk at the costs. Some incentives, such
as tax breaks and free building permits, already exist. More are needed.
The threat: overwhelmed firefighters and police
Ruptured gas lines throughout the Bay Area mean that most fire departments will
likely have to fight many fires at once and call every firefighter into service.
Because of budget cuts, the SFFD now closes up to six fire stations a day, and
it lacks the backup equipment to supply all the firefighters returning to duty.
As for maintaining order in the postquake chaos, the SFPD is 282 officers below
its voter-mandated minimum.
The fix: Reinstate the $4 billion in supplemental vehicle license
fees, most of it slated for police and fire protection, that Governor Arnold
Schwarzenegger canceled the day he took office. Choosing between getting a $100
rebate on your Volvo and closing neighborhood fire stations should be easy.
The San Francisco Firefighters Union is preparing an initiative demanding the
staffing of all SFFD stations; vote for it in November. And keep the fireboats
in service.
What's being done: In the city's latest budget proposal, the
SFFD gets $8 million less in the next fiscal year.

The threat: a really big homeless problem
Hundreds of thousands of people could be fleeing damaged Bay Area homes and
hotels, one-third of them needing government-supplied shelter. San Francisco's
plans call for emergency housing at the Moscone Center, the Bill Graham Auditorium,
and six schools. This isn't nearly enough.
The fix: Identify large open spaces where tent cities can be
established, as in the Presidio and Golden Gate Park in 1906. Log every hotel
room from Seattle to Las Vegas into a central database, and don't forget to
add the cruise ships that tour the West Coast.
What's being done: Bay Area Red Cross chapters can supply about
20,000 cots and blankets. The San Francisco Office of Emergency Services has
made a priority of surveying the tents, medical supplies, and other items available
throughout the state and how fast we could get them here.
The threat: fire in tall buildings
In San Francisco, more than 150 high-rises are exempt from recent mandatory
upgrades due to their "historical" status; residential dwellings under
three stories are exempt from sprinkler requirements altogether. Other cities,
near and far, are even less cautious: San Francisco's sprinkler laws are among
the strongest in the nation.
The fix: Require all large apartment buildings, skyscrapers,
and commercial buildings to have a good sprinkler system.
What's being done: Not much.

--more--
http://www.sanfran.com/archives/view_story/352/

What I took away from these articles is that Clinton's administration had a proactive stance in taking preventative measures to help communities reduce the effects of disasters. The Bush administration worked to undo that and ship more of the costs onto individual states at a time when most state budgets are tight. Now we are left with just reacting to disasters like Katrina and finding ourselves ill-prepared. :grr: :cry:

Greg

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:55 PM
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1. Yeah, LA too.
This admin would rather see us dead anyway.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:57 PM
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2. They want martial law.
But
since 2001, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years,
have been slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation
program created by the Clinton administration, has been canceled outright. Federal
funding of post-disaster mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property
from the next disaster has been cut in half, and now communities across the
country must compete for pre-disaster mitigation dollars."
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:57 PM
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3. Sounds like the
city of San Francisco and the State of CA have a lot of work to do. Pray no earthquakes hit before they can get it done.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:59 PM
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4. yep.
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:00 PM
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5. something is up...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:01 PM
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6. The ENTIRE West Coast should be worried...
We're blue and they hate us from L.A. to Seattle. We are vulnerable...don't forget the almost tsunami on the California/Oregon border in June. :scared: :tinfoilhat:
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:04 PM
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10. I'm really scared too. n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:02 PM
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7. Please nominate this thread! eom
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:23 PM
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16. One more needed!
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:02 PM
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8. given the response to disasters now seen...
I'd say it's probably a good idea to get out of San Francisco.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:03 PM
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9. Only if it's a tsunami, they already are able to deal with shake and bake
:P
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:05 PM
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11. Yes, if you're planning on having a earthquake or othr major natrl disastr
anytime in the next 4 years, slow underresourced and incoherent relief from FEMA is what you should expect.

We suggest rescheduling your major natural disaster if a repeat of this desperate jugfuck would represent an inconvenience for you.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:06 PM
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12. THE WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY SHOULD BE WORRIED!
FOLKS, WE ARE ON OUR OWN IN ANY DISASTER ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY AT ANY TIME!!!
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Shadoobie Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:39 PM
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18. no doubt, no doubt
These articles do beg the question about what is being done in other cities/states. When a disaster of Katrina's magnitude happens, the entire country should help shoulder the burden. At least, I think so. Apparently Asshat-in-chief doesn't.

Greg
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:06 PM
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13. I've already had thoughts of canceling our vacation
to San Francisco and the Monterey Peninsula planned for October...partly out of this kind of concern and partly out a sense of guilt over seeing so many of our own citizens dying in the streets the way they are... :cry:
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:33 AM
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26. don't cancel out of fear, cancel out of love for your fellow citizens...
give some money to a charity to save people, and then use the other portion to either pay off debt or buy foreign currency (gonna need an escape hatch, love).

we of san francisco already pretty much knew that if anything ever happened to us the rest of the nation (outside of a few blue areas and blue people) would have a parade. we are the nexus point of a whole lot of pointless hate. we have no illusions of this republican gov't coming to help us, and with swarzenegger as governor no illusions that he'd do anything but sit with his thumb up his ass. we knew we were alone for several years now -- especially after the political machinations after tech bubble and energy scamming. encouraging more white collar tech flight, with the screaming and lobbying against it by us, this gov't watch our jobs dried up, this gov't watched our surpluss evaporate and the state go bankrupt with predatory energy scamming. and they snuck in a fucking republican for governor out of spite and a shot at gerrymandering. we know we're a target. fuck 'em, we won't give them the pleasure to be afraid. we're older and more valuable than their destruction can erase. and it'd be like usa slitting its throat to spite its face.

we're just waiting for the rest of the usa to wake up and revolt (as you should've nov 3, 2000) or to be thankfully rescued/conquered by a nation that actually appreciates our wealth. looks like it might be china... oh well, couldn't be much worse than this mess. 2006 is the last chance folks. these people should be in the Hague by now. we're just hanging in SF sipping our lattes, eating our sushi, waiting for you to get angry enough.... we've been right for ages now, just waiting rather disaffectedly for our bretheren to catch up. but don't worry, we're a nice catch; if we get ignored enough other nation/suitors are waiting around the bend. strongly suggest doling swift kicks to the ass to any straggling bush worshipers; sometimes you have to jar their memory why conservative thinking sucks.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:06 PM
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14. It has become obvious that this admin has totally fucked up
disaster preparation.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:15 PM
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15. After dealing w/ the '89 Loma Prieta quake I maintain a prepared shed
Even if the house is uninhabitable the shed is far enough away to be OK. I switch out the water every 2 months or so (it tastes plasticy if you don't). I keep all of our camping gear in the same shed, and our bikes are stored under the side eave. My car has enough food and water for 4 ppl for 4 days...

This is a great site for 'what you NEED'. http://www.oes.ca.gov/Operational/OESHome.nsf/978596171691962788256b350061870e/A6BE1FB7591A508D88256CD70058FBAB?OpenDocument

And be sure not to forget the pet food.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:36 PM
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17. FEMA 2001: Terrorist attack in NYC, Earthquake in Frisco, Hurricane in NO
some links in this thread,
there were other threads discussing it too
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4555277
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:25 PM
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19. Get out now while you still can.........n/t
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globol@comcast.net Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:56 PM
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20. everyone in america should be
this white house admin scare me
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:39 AM
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21. Message from * to America: YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN AS OF NOW
That godless soulless bastard is going to turn us into a Third World nation.

Our own little Kim Jong Il is even turning away international offers of help because "we can take care of our own business." Mind you, he didn't say, "We take care of our own," he said "business." That's how abusers talk, right? They beat their wives and kids, but it's "their business."

I live in earthquake country too. Watching this unmitigated manmade disaster unfold, I see the future of California communities.

Godless soulless bastards. :cry:

Hekate

#Why won't the Chickenhawk cross the road?#
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:41 AM
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22. Shaking in your boots.
When Michael the Savage Weiner goes on vacation it's time to duck and cover.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:53 AM
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23. Stats...
Median income of San Francisco is $64,545.

Racial breakdown: White - 50%, Asian-American - 31%, African-American - 7.5%, Other - 11.5%

So in answer to your question...no, San Fransisco has no reason to be worried.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 04:24 AM
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24. San Francisco has all those godless perverted gays.
:sarcasm:

They better worry.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 04:38 AM
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25. kick -- i live in the bay area.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:33 AM
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27. Yes, we should worry. And organize the neighborhoods.
It's not rocket science to do that. Most of our supes would be happy to work on this.

Look what happened with the tsunami warning -- they missed the memo and the City had exactly 15 minutes to notify us once they managed to read the fax.

The Chron had an editorial on this yesterday I think.
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