Clinton defending Bush.

[Skwmom]

I'm convinced that the Clintons have made some kind of deal for Hillary in 08.

"Nobody thought this was going to happen" Clinton says. HELLO, the NO Mayor said before Katrina hit that the electricity would go out in the super-dome and it would be hell in there.

On edit: Plus there were a lot of warnings about what would happen in New Orleans. Also notice how Clinton dodged mentioning New Orleans until the interviewer brought it up.

[VADem11]

1. I wish Carter was there

He would be saying the right stuff.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

10. Yes he would...

...and that's precisely why he's not there.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

2. So, so disappointing. nt

[earth mom]

3. Utterly DISGUSTING!

How can ANYONE support the Clintons now?

Un-fricken-believable!!!!!!!!!!!

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[enki23]

4. some of us were never fond of clinton

because some of us are good judges of character.

[JHB]

16. 3 types of people viz Clintons:

Swooners project all their hopes on him

Foamers project all their hatreds (and even petty peeves) on him

Sane people think he's a.... politician! (though the last few years have underscored that there are much worse things).

I'm sure my choice of terminology makes it obvious in which group I put myself.

But yeah, I miss having a president who wasn't the dumbest guy in the room, and didn't know it.

[Skidmore]

5. Either that, or * has something on Clinton that he's

holding in all those presidential records he classified as top secret and not available to the public.

[raysr]

15. That's hard to believe

they threw everything they had him before. This is just the Republican in him coming out, remember NAFTA??? I fell down, literally, when I heard that he had signed that.

[RBHam]

6. How utterly servile.

Sickening.

[BlueJac]

7. Time to go puke

Seen enough of the old guys, they are running cover for the chimp.

[saracat]

8. I saw that. I can't believe that I used to really admire Clinton!

I thought he was one of the best presidents ever. I have been so disappointed in him recently. It sure does look like he sold out, and that sickens me.

[TornadoTN]

9. Way to go Bill, you just lost my respect and gave the NEOCONs an excuse

Well, I don't guess Bill really gives a shit either, aside from whatever deal he made with the Bush family.

Now all the Republicans can shout to us, "Hey! Even your hero Bill Clinton agreed with W.!"

[smbolisnch]

11. Couldn't believe it.

Makes me sick :puke:

[Eurobabe]

12. Pukefest...

I heard it myself.

[Vinca]

13. The bizarro world goes on and on.

Bubba's gone.

[Don Claybrook]

14. Clinton is now officially a part of the problem.

Not every goddamned word spoken has to take the calculus of Hillary's presidential run into account.

Get the fuck out of the way, Bill.

[LoZoccolo]

17. Oh geez you people will you shut up about Bill Clinton.

Everyone knows the top guys have to be congenial and polite, and the Republicans do it too. Bush* was saying that we had a right to protest the war at the same time Michael Savage was saying we should be put in prison camps. Bush* spoke at the Republican convention in these abstract terms while they had Zell Miller spew the venom. It's how politics works and it's got nothing to with deal about Hillary or some imagined alliance between the parties. Bill Clinton is not there to stroke off the kind of people who hang out on political message boards all the time, neither does he care about losing the respect of people for whom the only iota of activism they give to the party is going around telling people who they like and don't like.

[mzmolly]

21. Exactly.

I missed the interview, but I am certain Bill C will give us more information later that talks about the effects of policy on peoples lives.

[saracat]

31. Sorry mzmolly, Bill was really bad. He endorsed the "no one could have

known or expected this" meme when it was his own Disaster Mitigation Fund that was gutted. He is defending a lie. I saw the interview and it sickened me. Clinton knows that Bush was warned as he himself took measures to protect the levees.

[mzmolly]

93. Give it time. I am certain he'll mention the gutting of federal programs

but today is not the day.

[Katidid]

96. I am sick and tired of hearing from our govt officials

"no one could have known or expected this" ...

That's Bullshit .... How many "disasters" have to happen before we have leadership with foresight?

911
Global Warming
Hurricane and Natural disasters
20 missing oil rigs (???)
flu pandemic warnings
empty gas pumps
national bankruptcy
increasing poverty levels
unemployment due to outsourcing
etc


:sarcasm:

[Lost4words]

35. Who are you kidding, have you been living in a can?

[mzmolly]

94. No, I'm living in a blue state you?

:eyes: Were YOU better off 6 years ago? I sure as F was.

[LoZoccolo]

22. And the worst fucking part about level three.

Isn't the loss of avatars, polls, or checkboxes, it's that my ignore list doesn't work, nor can I put people on ignore so I don't have to read what they have to waste my time with later.

[saracat]

25. NOT NOW. WAKE UP. This isn't politics as usual.

Our country is in crisis. There could be a civil war and you are talking "polite" ? Clinton should be calling on Bush to resign. People are dying due not to a natural disaster but incompetance. Wake up please.

[LoZoccolo]

29. That'd do nothing but...

...get him ignored for politicizing the disaster, and cause another distraction in the midst of this.

And neither would him being stately prevent other people from saying what you wish he would, which is my whole point that I figure will get missed over and over again in this thread.

[Lost4words]

38. We GOT your point!

[LoZoccolo]

47. That's up to me to decide, and I say "no". n/t

[LTR]

27. 100% in agreement with you!

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!

[G_j]

28. so he is there to help?

he could really help by screaming, "get those folks some water and food, damnit!!"

[Lost4words]

32. I'll Thank you to not tell me to shut-up.

Polite, steeling elections is polite? Smearing true veterans is polite?

We are long past polite in US politics. I am here to say what I feel, not to listen to political apologists whom the only iota of activism they give to the party is going around telling people to shut up!

[LoZoccolo]

36. You don't get it.

Not my job to make sure you do, either, if it's unlikely that you will.

[Lost4words]

42. I guess I dont, gee I wish I was as sharp as you.

[LoZoccolo]

48. You have to at least "try".

My point wasn't that everyone should be polite, and if you come back saying that was my point...well, you missed it.

[SaveElmer]

37. Exactly right!!

How cold-hearted can people be. Clinton is responding to a section of the country in abject crisis, and responding to a direct request from the President (who has failed miserably here...again). What do you expect him to do say..."Gee, sorry all you starving dying people, your President is a jackass so I'm not gonna help."
Absolutely pathetic the response by people here.

[PA Democrat]

46. There's a huge distance between agreeing to help fund raise

and giving Bush moral cover for the indefensible. What Clinton should have said, "For the time being I will be focusing all of my efforts on raising funds to help the victims of this horrible tragedy. There will be time at a later date to address the questions of what could have been done to mitigate the effects of this natural disaster."

Simple. He raises money without giving Bush excuses that he does not deserve.

[SaveElmer]

95. Wrong...

Clinton needed to behave exactly as he did or the MSM clearly would have viewed it as criticism. The focus here is on N.O. The fact of the matter is, Clinton can afford to back up Bush as it is painfully obvious Bush needs Clinton because he cannot handle the crisis on his own!!

[sandnsea]

40. We need leadership

Clinton doesn't have to piss on Bush in order to provide the answers that are needed in this crisis. He kissed Bush's ass, just like he's been doing for years.

[Individualist]

62. No!

I'll criticize anyone who makes excuses for Bushco.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

83. What's the matter...

...things a little slow over at Free Republic?

[LTR]

85. That was uncalled for

Sometimes I can't tell the difference between FR and this place. And I've been posting here over two years.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

90. Sorry, but I disagree...

...I wasn't the one who initiated the disrespectful tone toward anyone with the outright gall to express disappointment or cynicism about Clinton's appearance on behalf of Bushco. You'll find that in post #17. I trust you read it?

[Skwmom]

86. Clinton was much more than congenial and polite.

He interrupted Bush Sr to defend Bush and he LIED through his teeth in doing so. Clinton is nothing but a self-serving political schmuck and I don't care if he does put a D before his name. He's the ultimate pandering politician who has led the Democratic Party right into the ground.

[WiseButAngrySara]

18. OMG!! Carter is the only one who is unafraid to speak the truth without

weighing the political consequences. I am very disappointed. But give me a Clinton any day over the BFEE and the neocons. They've ruined our country, and the world. It just can't get much worse!

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[Lost4words]

19. I don't know what the hell I ever saw in the clintons, to hell with em!

So they are going to send Heckle and Jekyll to NO, for what another Bush clinton love-fest?

Bill Clinton In my opinion, is a self serving snake, I will never vote for HC no matter who is her opponent.

:puke:

[maveric]

20. The Big Dog has been bought and paid for.

He's now the "Lap Dog". IMHO!

[Coexist]

23. Yes, you know - Bill Bush

I have no more respect for the man.

[Politicub]

26. Fuck Bill Clinton

He fucked me with DADT and DOMA because I'm queer, but I still stuck by Bill.

I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary if she is the Dem nominee, but I won't lift a finger or write a single check to help her campaign.

Bill is letter the people in NO down in a huge way. The fight is for them.

[SaveElmer]

30. And what exactly do you expect him to do?

Stand up there and roast the guy, after he agreed to help with the fundraising effort. Get real. The guy is a patriot and is putting country above politics today...nothing more!!!

[saracat]

41. A true Patriot wouldn't worry about being "politically correct" and

would call for Bush to resign due to the incompetance he displayed causing the deaths of thousands of American Citizens. First he blocks reinforcement of levees in a hogh risk area and now is causing those that didn't die in the hurricane to die of hunger and dehyration because he is unable to do plane drops. This is NOT defensible and Clinton is wrong to attempt to try.

[brentspeak]

44. Good grief

Let's just help the Gulf states and worry about Bush later on. This "Clinton sold his soul to Bush for Hillary" bit is ridiculous.

[SaveElmer]

45. That is fucked up...now is not the time for that BULLSHIT

The priority here is New Orleans and Mississippi, and the people dying there now...not political maneuvering...that will come when the crisis has passed.

Can you imagine the uproar had Clinton said anything approaching what you suggest. He is doing what a patriot is supposed to do, aiding his country in a time of crisis!!!

[Hobarticus]

53. Bullshit...a thousand times, bullshit.

Now is NOT the time for this.

[SaveElmer]

55. Thank you...

These Anti-Clinton threads are really shaking my confidence in this place!!!

[flyarm]

49. if he was putting country ahead of ploitics he would not have stood next

to the incompatant moron who is getting thousands of americans killed because he was too buzy playing freaking golf and playing a guitar!!!!!

he would demand bush stand aside and let the experts do their job!

he would not condone and absolutely kiss *es ass ..* fucked up again..and now the cover ups will begin ..again..but this time clinton is part of the cover up!

people are dying for gods sake..and * is talking about freaking pipelines!

people are dying and have been 4 days without water or food...because of *

and clinton just kissed * ass!

unacceptable...totally unacceptable..and dispicable!

fly

[SaveElmer]

54. How naive can you be...

Do you really think that would have helped people in N.O....? The priority is the people there. The result of your inane suggestion would be that the media and everyone else (rightly), would have been slamming Clinton for putting his personal feelings above the good of the country. Jeez...let it rest until the crisis is passed!!!

[Skwmom]

88. Clinton putting the country before Clinton?

You've got to be kidding. Clinton who stood by and let a million people get hacked to death in Rwanda because he worried about the political ramifications. Give me a break!

[SaveElmer]

89. A mistake he admitted to...

And the considerations he used were not personally political, but whether the country would support intervention...and to his credit he admitted he was horribly wrong, recently took a trip to Rwanda, and has undertaken an effort to raise money and awareness of the situation there.

All things I cannot imagine Bush doing!

[Hubert Flottz]

33. He must be banging the twins!

Gore would be president today, if Clinton hadn't been a weakling. Bill Clinton has all but destroyed the democratic party.

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[Hubert Flottz]

79. Be nice!

[LisaM]

39. Clinton is a statesman

I entirely disagree with him regarding the fact that no one could have known, but inflaming anger against * would not be the right move for him to make. You know that he must be seething internally.

[saracat]

43. Seething internally doesn't help.

[SaveElmer]

50. Yes...right now it does!!

Because the priority are the people in N.O. dying in corridors, having to walk through shit, piss, and vomit...unable to get food and water.....

And all people here seem to care about is that Clinton slam Bush...

Un "fucking" real

[flyarm]

59. nooo you are wrong on my account./.i do not want him making excuses

or lying for * saying no one could anticipate this ..that is a lie!!

this was very anticipated and * failed the people of this country..let him stew in his failure but don't make excuses and cover up for the filthy pig! and murderer!!

Clinton should not have made excuses or given cover up for the fuck ups..period!

people are dying and clinton j8st gave * and out..that is unacceptable!

just like the failure that is killing those poor people is inexcusable!!

but don't worry Condi Rice went to a braodway play last night and was buying expensive shoes today..when the canadian Prime minister said no one from our government called him back when he had trucks sitting at the border ready to bring aide and he could not get permission to send it it...

i hope condi enjoyed the play don't you??

and i hope she gets corns from the new shoes..while people are dying!

[MisterP]

75. that's why it's so important to say it's okay to not have prepared?

[Hobarticus]

52. Neither does running his mouth off.

He's there to help organize aid, NOT pound the pulpit.

Everyone here on DU knows Dubya's hands are elbow-deep in blood on this one. No arguement there. But it's not any dem's job right now to take Dubya to task right now. We need to SAVE PEOPLE!!!

Jesus. get it together.

[flyarm]

51. then he should not have gone on national tv going worldwide and making

excuses and lying for *!!

period the end..he should not have gone on tv and said a thing!

[SaveElmer]

61. Please...

The networks are really in the habit of giving air time to former Presidents to make nationwide appeals!!!

[flyarm]

69. he could easily made an appeal ..i would have cheered that..he did not do

that he made excuses and lied and was giving cover up to * ..that is what he did and that is inexcusable...period!!

it is 4 days those people have had no food or water...no national guard..200..whippeee..clinton just lied and said no one could anticipate this..well that is pure bullshit!

clinton just lied for * ..that is what he did ..and he did not have to, need to or should have done!

it was and is inexcusable..

tell the people at the convention center * couldnt have anticipated this, when he cut the money for the corp of engineers who warned of this!

and tell those people who have not had food or water for 4 days why * only spoke of pipelines..and not them!

[SaveElmer]

74. Grow up...

The issue is the people in New Orleans and Mississippi and not petty finger pointing. The fact that Bush has fucked this up is readily apparent, and there will be plenty of time for recriminations against him once the crisis is over. It was not Clinton's place to do anything but what he did!!!

[demgrrrll]

72. Yup, His hand was shaking. I have never seen his hand shake before

when he was speaking. He is usually so relaxed. I felt that he was trying to control his rage. What he thinks and what he can say publicly are probably two different things. I read that he does not view himself as a politician anymore, he feels that side of his life has ended. He did mention the price gouging. I was disappointed in a political sense as many of the posters are but in a past president statesman sense he did OK Bush asked him to help. It is hard to say yes I will help you but a part of that will be a big kick in the ass. Bush deserves a swift kick but I don't know that that was the place. Does he have to cover for him? I don't know.

[Loki]

56. Bill and Hillary

I'm sorry that you feel the need to make excuses for the utter incompetence of this man and his administration. There is no excuse that is acceptable, not now, not ever, and don't insult my intelligence by offering up your credibility as a sacrifice. It won't work. This has become criminally negligent and I think you need to stay the hell away from Poppy Bush. They are going into the abyss, if they aren't there already, and they will take you with them.

[Disturbed]

76. "No one could have known."

Reminds me of CondiLiar's statement about planes. B. Clinton didn't have to defend the Silverspoon Sociopath and still offered to help out. The Clintons have always been opportunitsts and now they are more so than ever.

[incapsulated]

57. I loved Bill Clinton

But he has lost me, now. He is covering up this criminal's actions while people are dying because of them, that is indefensible. It is a lie that is costing lives.

For those who say he is trying to help, there is nothing he can do in this role as the buddy of the Chimp's dad, his disaster Duo, except raise donation money. Now is the time to be raising hell. People will give plenty of money without him playing lapdog to this crime family. What we need is a truth-teller, a leader in exile, anything but an another apologist, especially a Democratic apologist.

:cry:

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[yankeedem]

60. Prudent statement by big dog

This isn't about the president, this is about the victims. Clinton is smart enough not to make the spotlight shine on him by making a comment. If you watch him a year from now, you'll see him tell what he really feels on a college tour by Big Dog.

[SaveElmer]

64. Damn straight...nt

[incapsulated]

68. Yeah, that's what we need

A college speaking tour "a year from now". To hear how he really feels.

I'm sorry but that doesn't exactly fill me with hope. He is on television in the midst of a national crisis defending the very people who are responsible for it spinning out of control. If Bush were in his first term, he would be asking him to do stump speeches for the upcoming election.

[MadHound]

63. Not suprising at all. Disgusting, but not suprising

Two former presidents, same corporate master. Assholes all.

[charlie]

65. Yeah, not surprising

He's got a habit of doing this. This is the 3rd or 4th time he's gratuiously helped minimize Dubya's fuckups.

[yellowjacket7]

66. Give it a freaking rest - Clinton's comments were open-ended

Look, he did not give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Why? He clearly avoided getting into the details. It is not his job at this time, especially at such a close time frame to this disaster to politicize this issue- he's also helping with fundraising efforts.

I guarantee you, he'll go on the attack very soon. Let the media and Democrats in Congress scrutinize and critize this debacle now.

[derby378]

67. Link, please?

DU is running on bare bones, and I can't find jack in the news.

[joanski0]

70. I think Clinton's response was DLC policy.

Be nice and get along. Maybe then the swing voters will love us.

[Kurovski]

71. I saw him with Bush the first on CNN.

Clinton didn't even seem to believe himself as he made an excuse or two for Shrub's administration.

He's not as good a liar as they say he is. I think he's royally pissed.

Clinton is doing the job he needs to do, the way he needs to do it.

Let the press and media point out the stupendously mind-boggling failure of the callous administration. That's their job, not President Clinton's.

[symbolman]

73. Bill lost me today as well

He was completely bullshitting and running cover for the lil dictator..

No more Clintons for me, I had all this hope that he'd at least say SOMETHING snippy considering the occasion..

and what's all this BS about the "private sector", that's code for TAXPAYERS who have ALREADY PAID for this disaster, only to have it sent to rich folks and over to Iraq..

How about they Keep the 300 Billion HERE for disasters like this, for rebuilding our OWN infrastructure, protecting and saving thousands like NOW, and they can call on the "private sector" to pay for the Iraq "war"?

Let the freepers PAY for Bush's war, let MY Tax dollars pay for my countrymen's safety..

That was completely sickening and Bill Clinton is now on my shitlist.

[wake.up.america]

77. I saw Clinton on CNN with Bush #1. I thought he did a good job.

He gets things done, the right things.

Slamming Bush is not his way of helping those poor souls.

Trying to raise money is his assignment, not attacking GWB and besides,
demening Bush's performance is not going to help him raise money.

I still think he's a great individual.

[Flaxbee]

78. Bill Clinton and Hilary are all milquetoasty b/c they don't

want to offend anyone so that Hilary can run as Repug-lite in 2008...

It truly is disappointing. I think Gore, Carter, and Dean are true Democrats. It seems that Clinton has sold out to the dark side... both of them, solely for power and wealth.

[AX10]

80. We better get ready to 'swiftboat' Hillary. She will be another...

establishment tool.

[Chicago Democrat]

82. Let's swiftboat her good! Clintons are all sell outs...

They blow like the wind

[Chicago Democrat]

81. I HA TE CLINTON!

GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A CIGAR BILL!

[Drewskie]

84. Don't pay attention to words of an ex pres in the WH next to a

current pres... A pres has to be judged by his actions. Clinton would not have invaded Iraq for no reason; would not have given permanent tax cuts to the rich in time of war; but would have been on the ground talking to people in Miss/LA a few days ago... just as he did in Grand Forks in '97. If he blasts Bush while standing right next to him that's really going to help draw the right wing voters...

[seabeyond]

87. did clinton defend bush? i did not hear clinton speak. please link

for clinton defending bush

[tsuki]

91. That does it. I cannot think of her as other than a Bush enabler.

NOLA is drowning, people are dying, and she's enabling *

[LoZoccolo]

92. To all the Clinton-bashers, I have a few questions.

1. When is the next hurricane?
2. What category will it be?
3. What areas will it affect?
4. What will be the human cost of this next hurricane?
5. What will be the property cost of this next hurricane?

This is by no means to absolve Bush* of cutting the Army Corps of Engineers' budget.