Dean isn't calling for Bush* to resign either.

[LoZoccolo]

You gonna saw "screw Dean" when he doesn't? Or if he says the same thing that Clinton did? Just curious.

I don't think Kucinich has said anything either.

I should add that I was a Dean supporter throughout much of the primaries...I just think that a lot of these anti-Clinton people wouldn't hold Dean to the same standard for some reason.

[saracat]

1. I say screw anyone who doesn't ask him to resign or doesn't at least deman

accountability. Bush called off the work on the levees and now people are dying. Why do we allow this to continue without saying anything? Look at the polls and emails! America wants accountability. why don't the Dems?

[SmokingJacket]

Give him time to find out the facts.

There's no point in accusing anyone until all the facts are *absolutely* straight. He MUST find out what - EXACTLY - failed here first, then he can let the accusations fly.

But I do have faith in Dean. He sent me the first email asking that I donate to the Red Cross.

Of course if he suddenly turns rah-rah about Bush I'll be shocked and sickened.

[Cha]

18. FACTS? They don't need no

stinking FACTS! Just SCREW EVERYBODY ON THE GOD DAMN PLANET!

[Zomby Woof]

2. Screw Dean

I am ALWAYS up for saying that. He is worthless.

Meanwhile, I would rather concentrate my energy on the PEOPLE of the Gulf Coast, and not be preoccupied on an unhealthy level with what Clinton said.

[Cha]

15. Yeah, you're always saying that

and it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. ZERO.

[Zomby Woof]

32. It means something to me

And many others, so I will continue saying it. Music to my ears. :-)

[Hobarticus]

3. Damn you, Kucinich!!! A traitor to the party!!! n/t

[LoZoccolo]

11. Yeah, he's not a real Democrat, like...

...like...um...like...

[Hobarticus]

30. Cue 'Jeopardy' theme...n/t

[info being]

4. In a week I'll say screw Dean

If he doesn't resign, he should be...never mind.

[Karmadillo]

5. Did Dean say no one could have expected what happened in New Orleans?

nt

[LoZoccolo]

17. Let's ask him so we can all prove how progressive we are...

...when he says no, so we can say "screw him!" It'll be fun! And it'll score us progressive points.

[Karmadillo]

37. Kind of touchy, no? The anger at Clinton is based on his claiming no one

could have forseen the catastrophe in New Orleans. This is pretty obviously untrue and said to defend an Administration that doesn't deserve defending. And asking Dean your question would hardly show how progressive we are, but then again, you're not trying to make sense here, are you?

[ElectroPrincess]

28. EVERYONE in New Orleans *knew* this exact same scenario

could, and sooner or later would happen!

Those who claim, "Who' da thunk it?" are outright liars.

Again, it was common knowledge that NO was below sea level and that the risk was always there from a "direct hit" by a hurricane.

[bluestateguy]

6. Great, now Howard Dean is a DLC Bush Lite

:eyes:

The "what have you done for me lately" attitude of some people here is amazing.

[LoZoccolo]

8. I'm not actually against Dean or Clinton.

I'm just wondering if people are as short-fused about Dean as they are about Clinton.

[bluestateguy]

43. I see your point

and I agree with your frustration.

[DinahMoeHum]

7. Methinks Dean is just gonna let Bush and his mis-administration flounder

on this blunder.

:evilfrown:

[apnu]

16. he's still got to make his presense known.

and a few emails and a web page aren't enough. That's lame... really lame.

He should get on the fucking news, or get down there with waders and start helping people. THAT would be something.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. I think maybe I'll just say

screw you for trying to score petty points today.

[Cha]

22. Go Toronto!

Yay! Canada!

[Individualist]

33. Hear, hear!

[democrank]

10. LoZoccolo....

Both Kucinich and Dean have more spine than that worthless POS president who was playing in California the night so many Americans were drowning in Louisiana and Mississippi.

Neither Dean nor Kucinich have control over FEMA. Maybe you should contact George Bush.

[LoZoccolo]

13. Clinton doesn't have control over FEMA anymore either.

So why are we "screwing" him?

[K-W]

20. Because he made excuses for Bush. EOM

[LoZoccolo]

25. So is Dean with his SILENCE!

Right? And Kucinich too!

[K-W]

31. Of course that isnt right.

I only critisize people for legitimate wrongs.

But I do realize now that this thread is pointed not at people critisizing his comments, but at those people calling for every Democrat to storm the whitehouse, so consider my objection withdrawn.

[yankeedem]

12. There is a time for this

It isn't now. The right wing would LOVE to make this a political pissing contest, and have us forget the victims. Dean shouldn't take the bait.

[LoZoccolo]

14. You have it almost right.

Actually, I'd say there's no time for this, but saying now's not the time for this is better than saying that now is the time for this.

[blue4barb]

19. Will Jesse Jackson call for bush* to resign? Where is Jesse Jackson?

[shance]

21. Where's the link?

n/t

[LoZoccolo]

23. Um...how can I explain this...

...um...I can't give a link to something someone didn't do?

[Armstead]

24. Clinton should not have been political...

...but he also should have kept his mouth shut instead of once again undercutting any criticism of Bush.

He should have stayed "on message" about the need to help people, without reprising his "I support the Iraq War" Bush apologist number again either.

[LoZoccolo]

27. Bush* undercuts the harsh elements of the right wing all the time.

Right before the war he said that the protesters had a right to protest, at the same time Michael Savage was saying that we should be put in prison camps, and Bill O'Reilly was implying we were traitors. Didn't really undercut a thing.

They know how to work public opinion...we need to learn.

[K-W]

34. Yes we should definately be more like Republicans. nt

[LoZoccolo]

35. You're choosing not to get it.

Which is where I stop wasting my time.

[Armstead]

39. Where I disagree with you is this...

You areabsolutely correct that Clinton should not have second-guessed Bush or criticized him (at this point).

However there is a difference between that and going out of his way to let Bush off the hook, and support the lie that "no one could have foreseen what happened."

Anyone watching TV, listening to the radio or reading trhe papers could foresee what was about to happen.

Clinton should have stuck to the need to pull together to resolve the immediate crisis.

[MrBenchley]

26. In fact, if Dean did

the story would turn from "Chimpy is a failure" to "E-e-e-e-evil Democrats are playing politics" in a heartbeat.

[LoZoccolo]

29. Exactly.

Let the pundits say this stuff. They're more immune.

I can't believe that people on a political message board don't see that this is what the Republicans do all the time.

[MrBenchley]

42. You wonder what planet some of these folks live on....

Don't they see how this stuff WORKS?

[ronnykmarshall]

36. Go LoZoccolo!!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

38. I'm no Dean fan but we don't need to say a thing....

We don't need to state the obvious - it will only make us look opportunistic...

In additon - he doesn't need to take the bright lights off of the Bush incompetence.

[mzmolly]

40. Yep. It's ridiculous. I am sure Clinton will address Bush's lack of

leadership when the time/place are right.

[ScreamingMeemie]

41. If he says the same thing Clinton did?

Yes. And you can bookmark this. He does that...and I'm officially not a Democrat any more.