Clinton is a Patriot...

[SaveElmer]

Doing what is right for the country.

This petty bullshit slamming Clinton while there are people in N.O. dying, with people having to walk through piles of excrement, without food and water, is just disgusting.

Clinton is putting those people above any feelings he may have about Bush and the job he is doing.

How stupid and naive do you have to be to think that Clinton could come out and slam Bush now, and that that would be a positive thing to do. That would be the story!!! Right now he needs to do what Bush asks him to do

I agree that Bush has fucked this up from the beginning, but now is not the time for Clinton or any leader to make an issue out of it. There will be plenty of time for that once the crisis is over!!!

[bluestateguy]

1. Good for you!

We need Clinton now. Bush is the most hated world leader on the planet today, and he is mostly unpopular in this country. How could he and his boob father raise the money that is needed to meet this crisis? Clinton can persuade in ways that Baby Bush cannot. No, I don't like seeing him cozy up to the Bush family, but right now helping the people in the Gulf Coast is the highest priority.

[FourStarDemocrat]

82. I agree with you 100%. This country needs Bill Clinton at a time likethis!

Bill is a true statesman, a compassionate human b eing and a real leader. This country has went to hell in a handbasket after he left office. I trust him, because he truly cares about these people and loves this country--unlike the criminals in the whitehouse.

[ohiosmith]

2. Wrong. When it does come up in the future, the Bushites will point to

Clinton's support in defense of GW.

[SaveElmer]

7. I don't care...

If Clinton is even able to do half of what he did for the Tsunami victims it will be well worth it!!!

[MADem]

61. No they won't; they HATE the fact that chimp grabs Clinton

every time he gets in a fix. They HATE the fact that Babs calls him her other son...they believe that the presence of Clinton makes chimpy appear WEAK.

[Tace]

3. You've Got A Point

even if I don't completely agree. : )

[Melodybe]

4. I wish that you were right but Clinton has skipped over the line

stop apologizing for Clinton, that POS doesn't deserve our time.

He doesn't have to defend Bush.

Wehn he defends Bush he is with them, protecting them.

You are a fool if you can't see it.

That goes for ANY dem that refuses to stand up to Bushco after this disaster.

[SaveElmer]

8. In this context he did have to defend Bush...

Anything else would have been viewed as criticism...and that would be the story!!! New Orleans is the priority!!!

[Cha]

31. He could have just kept

his God Damned mouth SHUT!

[SaveElmer]

39. No he could not!!

How do you think the MSM would have taken a "no comment" from him...it would have been viewed as criticism and he would have been roasted in the press.

[Cha]

44. What did they ask him?

How bush was handling it?

Some of the press is actually ROASTING bush themselves!

clinton DIDN'T HAVE TO LIE!

[Maru Kitteh]

86. YES - HE COULD

Damn it! He is the MASTER of the eloquent non-answer. He can take a question and turn it on a spit-fire until he gets what HE wants out of it. He could have made them feel ashamed for even asking such a thing but HE CHOSE NOT TO. I have NO MORE TIME LEFT for those who praise bush.

[Pepperbelly]

55. calm down ...

calling those who do agree with your rather ... enthusiastic conclusions 'fools' is bad form and in fact, suggests a need for you to perhaps check yourself.

Everyone is upset after seeing the horrors inflicted upon the people of NO, first by nature and then by Brown's incompetence. But lashing out in EXACTLY the wrong direction does not serve the public good right now. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but at the same time, playing politics with the dead, dying, and sufferers is, IMO, despicable.

And that as what I think you are doing. Again, I know you to be a good person and that is why I urge you to take a good hard look at yourself and see if perhaps you aren't lashing out at the wrong target. We have people at risk. Why even TALK about the politics?

The only political issue worth discussing at this point is when will Bush fire that incompetent son of a bitch Brown from FEMA.

[Eloriel]

5. Oh, please. He VOLUNTEERED for that little suck-up defense of

Bush. It was sickening. Pandering. :puke:

[MADem]

63. He did not--he was asked, and you never refuse a request from

a sitting president, even more so if you have been one yourself.

Uh, most people need to understand that this is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY. A real, not fake, EMERGENCY. Clinton is doing what HE can to help those people. That is what any patriot would do....put the PEOPLE first, not the stupid politics.

There will be time in future for after action reports. Now is the time to put your shoulder to the wheel and heave...

[DrJackson]

6. I agree

Clinton is doing the right thing. He knows that there are deeper, more important issues than partisan politics right now. I back him 100%.

[earth mom]

9. Stop hero worshiping Clinton and LOOK at what he is doing and saying.

It's no different than what Bush & Co are saying and doing!

That's reality...cold hard ugly reality.

[Hobarticus]

13. And, this will help NO, MS and AL...how? n/t

[SaveElmer]

18. Yeah...he is going to raise ten's of millions of dollars

So starving and dying people get the help they will need...that is what he is doing. How he feels he needs to do that is up to him. I trust his judgement!!!

[G_j]

10. Clinton could to much more good by RAISING HELL

instead of making excuses for *

[SaveElmer]

15. Bullshit...

People walking through shit, piss, and vomit can't drink or eat criticism. Clinton can and will raise millions for those people...that is what is important now!!!

[G_j]

29. how many days can a person survive without water? n/t

[demo dutch]

11. There will be plenty of time to criticize, help comes first

[G_j]

22. and he is helping how?

why isn't he saying

"Damnit, Get these people food and water NOW!!" ????

[Melodybe]

33. Exactly, when he uses his words to defend Bush and not ask for food and

water you see where his priorities lie.

Get your head out of the sand DUer's Clinton is bad news.

[SaveElmer]

34. He is going to raise tens of millions of dollars...

To get people back on their feet...that is what he is doing...the rest is petty noise!!!

[me b zola]

76. Tens of millionws of $$ will not help the people DYING TODAY!!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with you???????


Good God. How fucking sad & pissed off that statement makes me feel!!!!!

If it were you in NO, you would be singing a different toon! :grr:

[me b zola]

78. Petty noise???????

You know, most people I disagree with on DU I eventually come to a place where I find common ground with. Your comments are beyond the pale.



PEOPLE ARE DYING NOW!!!!!!!!!

PEOPLE ARE DYING NOW!!!!!!!!!

PEOPLE ARE DYING NOW!!!!!!!!!



Again, WTF is wrong with you?????????

[Armstead]

12. He coulda done his duty without being an apologist

A simple answer: "This is not the time for politics. It is time to work together to handle this crisis."

he could have easily done that without bending over backward to let the admionisytration off the hook.

[northzax]

14. if the Big Dog came out and said

"look, the government can't help you, New Orleans is being abandoned to chaos" it would be a self-fufilling prophecy. He's selling his soul for the good of the country.

And no, people, he didn't volunteer it, Bush dragged him into it by asking him to help raise money.

the criticism can come later, like monday. right now there's work to be done.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

16. The rule for Democrats should be "If you can't say something

critical of the Bush administration, don't say anything at all."

If he's raising hell with them behind the scenes, fine, but he dioesn't have to come on national TV and praise them. :puke:

[atreides1]

17. Okay

So we wait, how long? When does Clinton step up to the plate and tell the truth.

The truth about how the mitigation program that was put into place by his administration, was gutted by Bush Jr.?

How long until we hear that DHS and FEMA are headed by two men who have no experience in what those two organizations are supposed to
be responsible for?

The longer our "leaders" wait the more time that Rove will have to spin this to Chimpy's advantage, besides it's already estimated that
recovery will take years.

Once the crisis is over it will be too late, and it will business as usual, that's all Clinton did today.

[SaveElmer]

20. I don't care...I really don't...

If he does for the gulf coast what he did for Tsunami victims, it will be well worth it...it is not up to him to criticize Bush. I am sure, when they feel the time is right, Democratic leaders in Congress will point out what is obvious...that Bush has screwed this up from the beginning!

[ohiosmith]

35. And the republicans will point out what Clinton said in support of *.

You can bet your ass that the RW talking heads will be playing up Clinton's support whenever the issue is raised in the future.

[SaveElmer]

47. Who cares...

Do you think the people in New Orleans really care about that? I certainly don't care. It will take more than the statements of Clinton's to white wash the mess Bush has made of this. Clinton is saying and doing what he thinks is needed to do the job assigned to him...to raise the money needed to get gulf coast residents back on their feet. I admire his courage!

[saracat]

21. Ansolutely right on. WHEN is enough enough??????

[MADem]

65. That is for the current, not former officeholders to do

We need the House and Senate standing up, not an elder statesman who is just trying to help the people in NOLA...

[Karmadillo]

19. I imagine some of Clinton's critics are patriots, too. They simply

believe it's not right to say something that's not true when speaking to the American people. He was wrong to say the disaster in New Orleans was not foreseeable.

[SaveElmer]

24. In this context it was the right thing to do...

The guy was standing in the oval office, with the President practically begging him to help him. Had Clinton said anything other than what he did would have been viewed by the MSM as criticism. He is doing what is right for those people in crisis!!!

[Karmadillo]

38. He didn't have to lie. He could have focused on helping those in need

and left it at that.

[SaveElmer]

43. You know...between Clinton...

And the armchair politicians here...I'll take Clinton's judgement over theirs any day. Clinton said and did what he thought was necessary to help him with his mission...that is raising the money that will be needed to get gulf coast residents back on their feet!

[Karmadillo]

51. If you think political leaders should tell lies in support of the Bush

Administration, you're certainly free to do so. I confess I'm not sure how that helps his mission. American people will help others without being lied to.

[ClusterFreak]

23. Oh yeah????

....plenty of time "once the crisis is over"?? Gotta news flash for ya....it's been one crisis after another in the Bush presidency, and Clinton has said FUCK ALL against him!! How long must we wait??

[symbolman]

25. I've stuck up for Bill since he first took office

after watching him blow the lil dictator today he's on my shit list.

He went far and above the call of duty to protect the murderer and now I'll never believe him again.

[Mr_King]

37. Let's

"Draft Cuomo in 92"

[Cha]

42. I hear that!

Straight from rove outta clinton's mouth.

[Biased Liberal Media]

71. I feel that

I'm completely disappointed in him.

[derby378]

26. If someone would provide me with a link to Clinton's statements...

...I can decide by myself, thank you very much.

[KittyWampus]

27. To Get Clinton,You Have To Throw Poppy Into Mix. Isn't Pretty But

necessary. Let the Big Dog raise New Orleans a billion dollars, please.

[seabeyond]

28. the first people i told about bushie having to rely on daddy & clinton

fundie conservatives. remembered tsunami immediately. they are disgusted and see bush as inept and need these two people to get job done cause bushie cant do it.

bush is getting tarnished

people are disgusted

[Disturbed]

45. The Panering Clintons

"He coulda done his duty without being an apologist."

Same goes for the illegal Iraq Invasion and Occupation.

The Clintons have always been Repub Lite. Those who worship them are delusional at best.

[seabeyond]

53. i am not a clinton fan, never have been. i know what having to grab clint

to bail him out once again is a huge negative for bush. you odnt see it fine. but it is. just shows how weak bush is.

[LordBinkyTheBuffoon]

30. I don't care

Right now, it doesn't seem to matter. People are dying, and if Clinton can help, I don't care what he says right now.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

32. He could have spoken out without being a Bush cheerleader.....

He is a whore...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

36. Carrying water for...

...Bushco, as McCain does, is not helping our country. Quite the opposite, actually. Clinton was asked point blank whether the government's response has been adequate and he completely dodged the question. Why? Because at times like these criticism is bad? Criticism is the only thing that's finally gotten the government off their asses. They had to be shamed into responding by media coverage.

[Me.]

54. Have To Agree

Used to be a big Clinton fan. Watching him today I felt my heart sink. And how dare he say gasoline prices shouldn't capped? What, they should be allowed to gouge us even more? I'll tell you what I heard today, I heard Senator Clinton's presidential aspirations whistling right out the door. And told her staff that too when I called. I said I've had enough of she & her husband acting like stepford republicans and that if it keeps up she won't even have my vote for senator. I asked why she wasn't speaking out on this, especially given the help we got from them on 9/11. They sent us a new fire engine for heaven's sake.

[Mr_Spock]

40. I hear you - some people here are just too political for their own good

It works against our cause to be bashing anybody who doesn't follow your line of thinking politically in every situation. There are some things more important than politics...

[jackbourassa]

84. You're right Mr. Spock

What New Orleans needs right now is some good old "triangulation." That wouldn't be political.

Clinton is great: NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[annabanana]

41. He DIDN'T have to say "couldn't have predicted"

that the levees might fail. I have no problem with him working with the old toad to raise money.. But he DIDN'T have to excuse their malicious lack of foresight with that little nugget.

[Cha]

48. clinton LIED

again!

[SaveElmer]

52. I don;t care...

He is doing what he has to to do the job assigned to him. If him kissing a little butt will halp him raise the money that needs to be raise...well, it is well worth it. ANd I think the folks in New Orleans will be grateful for it

[Tinoire]

46. and Bush is a great leader and great man. You're absolutely right.

Let's not reproach either one of them since their shit smells like roses.

What's a few thousand Americans when over a hundred thousand Iraqis didn't matter?

[SaveElmer]

49. This has nothing to do with Iraq...

And you know it...stick to the subject. Clinton is ding what he needs to do to get the job done!

[jackbourassa]

85. Save Elmer, what has Clinton done exactly?

How much money has he raised again?

Clinton just never misses an opportunity to have himself be seen on TV with Pappy. Case closed.

Bush selection of him was to mask his own incompetence and to avoid democratic criticism. Clinton, typically, is trying to give him a way out.

This has nothing to do with New Orleans for either man.

[Pepperbelly]

64. give it a rest for a week or so ...

Jesus, there are American in serious shit right now and if that doesn't move you to give a little space, then I fear your cause is lost.

[Sapphire Blue]

69. My Freeper cousin has a favorable opinion of Clinton now, too....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4554372&mesg_id=4561682

[Scout1071]

50. Honestly, let's put this Clinton stuff aside and focus on helping those

people right now. We can come back and argue next week after the cities have been evacuated.

I understand what you are saying, but let's put the distractions aside for the time being.

[mzmolly]

56. You are correct.

There is a time/place for Clinton to speak out, this is not either.

[stevietheman]

57. If we don't politicize this now, the republic will be lost. Period. n/t

n/t

[qanda]

58. When do we get that "hide thread" feature back?

Some titles I just don't care to read right now.

[MADem]

59. I'm with you, and said so on one of those bashing threads nt

[frazzledmom]

60. Clinton sealed his fate by taking Bush's side

over the American people. As far as I'm concerned he sealed his fate when he refused to pardon Leonard Peltier.

[BlueJac]

62. It worries me

The neo-cons hate Clinton, he is used to gather support from the left for GW Bush. It is not working on me.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. Clinton is a self-serving politician and always has been.

That is, when he is not busy being a mediocrity cuddling up to the corporations.

[bpilgrim]

67. of great men, great things are EXPECTED

being bush's on call poster-boy, ONLY, is HURTING US.

Who's Your Daddy!

peace

[Joe Chi Minh]

68. I can see both points, but I should think SaveElmer's right.

Bushco, everyone, needs someone with Clinton's grasp of everything to deal with the catastrophe as efficiently as possible. And if Clinton had snubbed the Bushes, it would have been impossible for hm to advise them in an exhaustive and acceptable way. I certainly hope they have been picking his brain.

Well, I see now that Bill's been defendng Bush. That's hard to take.

[jonnyblitz]

70. Clinton does what's good for Clinton. nt

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

72. I agree, and he knows how it is to be in the oval office

Later on there can be investigations of the pulled funding for strengthening the infrastructure for NO.

[LittleClarkie]

73. Besides it makes sense. This was our American tsunami

So they're sending in the tsunami boys.

What are we going to do, refuse the money they raise. I don't THINK so.

[itzamirakul]

74. There was a time that I loved Clinton...

but NO MORE! The limelight-loving punk sucks up to the Bushes too much for me. I supported and voted for him and would have walked through fire to protect him from impeachment and now he pays us back by kissing the Bush asses publicly. Why doesn't he get his ass out there and do some real work like Carter does? He has really messed up for Hillary. She is my Senator but I will never vote for her again. The Clinton's hanging out with the Bushes is like having them buddy up with the Mafia.

<Right now he needs to do what Bush asks him to do> For God's sake...WHY? especially if Bush is wrong. That is just plain stupid.

<I agree that Bush has fucked this up from the beginning, but now is not the time for Clinton or any leader to make an issue out of it. There will be plenty of time for that once the crisis is over!!!>

This is the same old bullsh!t that the Republicans always preach. "Now isn't the time to discuss it. We'll talk about it later." But the problem is, Later they say, "Oh, it's over now. No sense in rehashing it." So problems never get discussed or debated or corrected.

NOW is the time for decent Democrats to stand up and speak out about this atrocity in New Orleans - not some ethereal later date that will never come.

[Name removed]

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[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

77. I agree completely. Clinton is a patriot and a statesman.

"How stupid and naive do you have to be to think that Clinton could come out and slam Bush now, and that that would be a positive thing to do. That would be the story!!!"

Right now it's clear that Junior has called in the grown-ups to clean up his mess. It's the story of his life.

Give these repug fucks one tiny inch and they will twist the whole thing around and make it all about the petty Democrats using a tragedy to score political points.

I'm blown away by how many people don't see that.

[Ladyhawk]

79. Kicking because I want to hear all sides of the issue. n/t

:kick:

[journalist3072]

80. Praise God for the originator of this thread

I am so tired of Democrats getting upset with Clinton for coming together with Bush Sr. to help those in need.

He is doing the right thing. Who cares who he is raising money with, just as long as he's doing it to help the least among us?

It hasn't even been quite a year yet (though almost) since he had major heart surgery. He could be home resting. Or playing golf somewhere.

Instead he's showing himself to be a true public servant and a class act.

President Clinton has always said there is more that unites us, than divides us. Let's focus on that.

[earth mom]

81. You can live in denial if you like, but many people see the Clintons

for what the are: ass kissing rethugs!

[Maru Kitteh]

83. He could have simply declined to comment instead of waxing poetic

So he can kiss it as far as I'm concerned.