I can't believe this isn't a bigger story. Wash Post story...

[DealsGapRider]

From this morning's Washington Post:

"On Aug. 20, 2001, Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman Hussayen, a man who would soon be named a minister of the Saudi government and put in charge of its two holy mosques, arrived in the United States to meet with some of this country's most influential fundamentalist Sunni Muslim leaders.

"On the night of Sept. 10, 2001, Hussayen stayed at a Herndon hotel that also housed three of the Saudi hijackers who would slam an aircraft into the Pentagon the next day, though there is no evidence that he had contact with them.

snip

"The most intriguing aspect of Hussayen's journey may be entirely coincidental: his brief proximity in a hotel near Dulles International Airport to three of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers the night before they crashed Flight 77 into the Pentagon. On the night of Sept. 10, Hani Hanjour, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi checked into the same hotel, a Marriott Residence Inn.

"The FBI has examined hotel videotapes and interviewed employees, but has found no indication that Hussayen and the hijackers interacted, law enforcement sources said. After the attack, an FBI agent interviewed hotel guests, including Hussayen and his wife, but did not get very far.

"According to court testimony from FBI agent Gneckow earlier this year, the interview was cut short when Hussayen "feigned a seizure, prompting the agents to take him to a hospital, where the attending physicians found nothing wrong with him."

"The agent recommended that Hussayen "should not be allowed to leave until a follow-up interview could occur," Gneckow told the court. But "her recommendation, for whatever reason, was not complied with," he said.

"On Sept. 19, the day air travel resumed, Hussayen and his wife took off for Saudi Arabia.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A31402-2003Oct1?language=printer

[rucky]

1. I hope my instincts are wrong about this...

:nuke:
:scared: :tinfoilhat:

[Rose Siding]

2. Kick

this is just the kind of thing it's so important to miss!

[charlie]

3. Also been discussed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=453482

[Padraig18]

4. Why we only attacked Afghanistan...

... mystifies me to this day. "Allies" like S.A. we don't need. :eyes: Good catch, btw! :thumbsup:

[DealsGapRider]

5. We attacked Iraq and not Saudi Arabia?

Good grief. The more I learn about this country, the angrier I get.

I recently read a couple of articles in the Atlantic Monthly and National Geographic about Saudi Arabia. It said that something like 70 percent of the workforce is foreign. Meanwhile, Saudi men sit around and don't work because they consider most jobs like being cabbies and construction workers beneath them. So, you basically have a nation of lazy, pampered fundamentalists who are rich without ever having worked for what they have and who treat women monstrously. No wonder the Bush family loves them so much. And these people are our close allies?

[Padraig18]

6. Yes

And so are the Pakistanis, with similar fundy tendencies AND nukes! :wtf:

[Zuni]

13. There are a lot of hardcore

Islamic Extremists in all levels of the Pakistani Government.
They use Al-Q and other groups to raid into Indian territory.
Yet we still give them truckloads of money, and still have the Saudis over for BBQs with the Thief in Chief.

[Octafish]

16. Kuwaitis are worse, if that's possible.

They sat on their asses in the discos of Alexandria and the casino of Monaco while the US "liberated" their country.

[DealsGapRider]

17. Why the quotes?

Why the quotes around "liberated?"

[Octafish]

22. There was never a "Free" Kuwait.

When Saddam and the Iraqis got mad the Kuwaitis were "slant drilling" into their biggest oil field along the border, the Kuwaitis refused to stop. The resulting invasion saw most of the Kuwaitis flee their country. While the Americans and the Allies lost hundreds, and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi conscripts, the Kuwaiti royals and their loyal retainers enjoyed the roulette wheels in Monaco and the disco in Alexandria.

An unholy Royal Family owns and runs the place we know as Kuwait, carved out of Iraq by the Brits in the 1930s. They are fascistic in their leanings, allowing no dissent and destroying any internal opposition to their autocratic rule. Then, there’s the money.

These bed-wetting bastids use their oil revenues to make life better for themselves and their Swiss bankers, like the Bushes front for, the Union Bank of Switzerland, and the Middle East banks, like the former BCCI. The only charitable organizations they sponsor are HAMAS and the like. They do ZERO for the average Palestinian or Muslim from a non-oil producing state. They don't have to. They're "ROILS."

[juajen]

24. Very interesting Octafish

Have you connected the dots yet? On a thread in DU a couple of months ago, a dedicated satellite imager (?) said that satallite images showed a pipeline from the southern oilfields into Kuwait. No wonder the poor Iraqis can't pay us in oil. It's being stolen for the benefit of the BFEE.

[shance]

28. You're criticizing Iraqis, how many Americans are sitting on their asses

these days?

Its not as if the Kuwaitis had much of an option when you think about it. Im not giving them a write off and yet, who the hell are we to sip mint julips from our guilded tower when WE were the initiators of the whole Gulf deal, which now is appearing to be more and more of an agenda driven bidness driven crusade.

[juajen]

23. Not only do they treat their own women monstrously,

but I have read that the Saudis traffic freely in white slavery. Read on a thread here that they even bring some of these slaves into our country when they come to visit. Must be fun at the Crawford "White" house.

[Brian Sweat]

8. Oils like S.A. we DO need.

[Gringo]

7. kick n/t

[proud patriot]

9. Holy COW

:wow:

[Mari333]

10. What better way for the BFEE to take the heat off?

another threat, another attack, another LIHOP or MIHOP

Tinfoil hat? Not today. They are capable of anything now.

[Zuni]

12. They love those Saudis

the Bush family practically has married into the Al-Saud clan.

Why people trust Bush with National Security is beyond me, considering their affection for the Saudis.

[Zuni]

11. And Bush has the Crown Prince over for a BBQ?

This is really fishy and it tells me that the President cares more about Saudi oil than he does about our safety.
I wonder if this was in the 27 pages that Bush would not release.

And Bush is the 'national security' candidate.

[Octafish]

14. A kick in the pants to the BFEE!

Bush-Saudi Connection

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

[damnraddem]

15. Yeah, our war on Terra sure had to focus on old Saddam, didn't it?

But our good buddies the Saudis, the ones with even more oil, they're such a friendly government.

[UTUSN]

18. Kick for Hmmmmm n/t

[Devils Advocate NZ]

19. Anybody would think...

that terrorism wasn't good for business, with all these threads talking about Saudi Arabia.

You do know that the US is responsible for most of the spread of Muslim fundamentalism, don't you?

Haven't you ever wondered why every Msulim terrorist act either results in more money for the military/industrial complex, or more power for the US government?

Haven't you ever wondered why the US always seem to be on the side of the Muslim fundamentalist terrorists? Here is a short list for you:

Afghanistan
Pakistan
Chechnya
Yugoslavia

Notice anything about those countries? How about the fact that they are ALL nations where US introduced muslim fundamentalism in order to combat Soviet (and later Russian) influence?

Afghanistan in the 80's was easy, every one knows about that. Pakistan however is a little more complex than you'd think - firstly there was Afghanistan, but there was also India. India? I hear you ask? Yes. India was close to the Soviet Union, and is stil close to Russia. India was considered a non-aligned nation and as such Pakistan was used to keep India under pressure and distracted.

Chechnya is also obvious, but there has been a more "hands-off" approach.

Yugoslavia, once again, is more complex than you'd think. Yugoslavia was actually a rather powerful nation after the fall of the Soviet Union, and it had NOT turned away from the leftist path. It had denied the rape by corporation that Russia itself fell victim to, and it had a WHOLE LOT of resources as well as being strategically located.

So what happened? You guessed it Muslim fundamentalist terrorism, soon followed by US military intervention on the side of the Muslims. In fact at one stage both Osama Bin Laden and the US Government were aiding the Yugoslavian Muslims in their rebellion. This is AFTER Bin Laden supposedly declared war on the US. Oh, Bin Laden also aided the Chechen rebels too.

Muslim fundamentalism is a creation of the CIA. The CIA uses it to carry out certain tasks it does not want to be identified with - after all who would suspect that people who call the US "The Great Satan" would actually be working for it?

It is only at the very top of these organisations that the CIA works with them though. The suckers at the bottom have no idea that they a dying for the dollar rather than Allah, but you can be damned sure that men like Osama know the score.

Now take Iraq. Surrounded by Muslim fundamentalists, in fact a large portion of its own population is Muslim fundamentalist but they were being kept supressed by Hussein. Does the US attack Iran or Saudi Arabia? Nope. It goes straight for the SECULAR and anti-fundamentalist Iraq. Coincidence? I think not.

So, who says that Muslim fundamentalism is the enemy of the US? The US government sure doesn't seem to think so!

[SaintLouisBlues]

20. Interesting take

Where can I read up on this? How is the CIA able turn people into
fundies?

[Devils Advocate NZ]

25. It's not just mine...

Where can I read up on this?

Many places. One good and recent source is The War on Freedom by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. However, this is not a common "conspiracy theory" and I can't point you to one source to read all the details. This my theory of what is going on based on my studies over years of many different terrorist acts and their results along with US wars in the region and the geostrategic imperitives behind them.

Parts of this theory are sub-plots of other "conspiracy theories" such as the theory that the Kosovo war was NOT a humanitarian war, but that the humanitarian crisis was manufactured to provide an excuse to go to war against the Serbs, much as WMD was a manufactured excuse to go to war against Iraq.

If you put all of these disparate events together the picture I presented in my previous post emerges.

How is the CIA able turn people into fundies?

The same way it is now supposedly trying to turn them into moderates: by funding militant Mullahs who are willing to stoke up resentment against ungodly infidels and who are willing to point out who those infidels are. Osama Bin Laden is a good example. His sole job was to recruit mujahideen from the ME and ship them to Pakistan for training (in CIA funded madrassas, or religious schools) then move them into terrorist training camps, before sending them to fight the godless communists.

Remember, under mainstream Islam, Christians are not only accepted, they are seen as brothers under the same god. Communists were the infidels, and the Christian Americans were their ally. Remember when "under God" was put into the Pledge of Allegience and why? That is right, it was an anti-communist push in the 50's that stoked up religious Christian beliefs against infidel communist beliefs.

The recruitment of Muslim fundamentalists was just a natural extension of this, in an area where Christians were a very small minority. Have a look at South America and I bet you will see the reverse, where Christian fundamentalists were manipulated against the communists in the 50's and 60's. In fact the results of this manipulation in the Americas is still visible in the Christian fundamentalists of today - their vitriol against communists can be traced back to these early manipulations.

Like I said, this is a BIG PICTURE, and there is no one source for information. All I can say is make the assumption that Muslim Fundamentalist terrorism is a tool of the CIA, then research every interaction the US has had with Muslim fundamentalists and ask yourself "if the Muslim fundamentalists are working with the CIA, who benefits from this interaction and why?".

[leftofthedial]

21. the Saudis are our friends

Really, all this conspiracy theory stuff is way out of hand. Only wackos believe any of this. Next you'll be telling me that a bunch of bin Ladens flew out of the US during the flight freeze. I mean really.

</sarcasm>

[Unknown Known]

26. Saudis finance most of these terrorists groups

Who do you think keeps Arafat in power?

[w4rma]

27. Front page story, as it should be.

:wow: