I can NOT give the Clintons a pass,...any longer.

[Just Me]

I have been VERY tolerant of their "working inside" politics to make a difference.

However, Bill has stepped way over the line. He is cooperating with those who are exploiting our people and our nation. That is intolerable and unacceptable.

There MUST be a "point" where, "working on the inside" to make a difference is actually BEING or BECOMING a part of the machinery that destroys.

Sorry, Bill & Hillary. You are no longer making a difference. You are lost in a machinery that is destroying your country. You no longer represent my voice or the tens of millions of voices that want you to make a difference.

[itzamirakul]

1. You, Me and Mike Malloy....nt

[uppityperson]

4. and me

[latebloomer]

6. "The Clintons can go straight to hell

along with the Bushes"

Mike Malloy, 2 minutes ago

[LoZoccolo]

24. That's why I say Mike Malloy is a liability and not an asset.

Leading people straight to the twinkie truck is not progressive activism.

[titoresque]

98. ohhhhhh geeez!

you've got to be kidding! The twinkie truck? Mike Malloy tells it like it is, and we need more of him in the public eye! The time has passed for waiting for our knights riding atop shiny donkeys to come rescue us or to atleast bring INTEGRITY to the Dem. party!

Clinton is showing his true colors....it's all a game, and these people just don't give a fuck anymore...they don't hide their "friendships" because they don't have to.......because of people like you who still wait for the rescue!

We are the ones who are going to get ourselves out of this.....THE PEOPLE, and the sooner we REALLY come to terms with that the sooner we can take this country back!

[mike_c]

2. word....

eom

[Atman]

3. Very sad to say, I agree with you

Clinton was a good president, and he represented the United States well during his term. He was loved around the world. Now, however, I am to the point, like you, where I simply cannot take the Clintons chumminess with the Bush Family Evil Empire.

Bill...you've sold out.

[Just Me]

17. As if the betrayal by the BushCO/neoCON isn't difficult enough,...

,...the repetitive Clinton "good boy" thingy,...is like salt-n-alcohol being poured on open national wounds.

I just cannot swallow that shit any longer.

[marcus_b]

62. Loved around the world?

Well, he was certainly more charismatic, and had a friendlier face to his policies.

But I am not sure if he was exactly loved around the world. His illegal bombing attack in the Kosovo stepped up the atrocities there and made Germany "ready for war" again. The US/UK led sanctions on Iraq killed an estimated 1.5 million people, among them 500.000 children, and much of the sanctions were held under Clinton. He sustained monthly bombings of Iraq under the pretense of "no flight zones". He bombed a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, which provided 50% of the medication for the population, killing in effect an uncounted number of people and seriously hindering Sudan's development and increasing (probably fatally) the local crisis. He did not stop the Indonesian occupation of East Timor until 1999 (to his credit, he did end it then. But only after another decade of letting the Indonesians free realm in slaughtering the population with US weapons and support---General Suharto was "his kind of guy").

So at least the foreign policy record is not as good as we would like to remember.

Clinton played the role of the charismatic salesman, while Bush plays the role of the uncalculable mad-man. Both can be lethal, and you really need to look closely at the respective policies. Well, compared to Bush, even the Dark Lord Himself looks like a good chap, but I am not sure that is really the standard we should set...

[Atman]

81. Check the polling.

That's all I'm saying. Internationally, Clinton enjoyed tremendous popularity. Remember, they called him the "rock star" president. He had an international approval rating hovering near 70%, if I recall.

Compared to Bush DISapproval rate is about the same, I'd say that "loved around the world," while a bit hyperbolic, is certainly fair.

[yorkiemommie1]

5. the power elite

i should reread the book.

[H5N1]

7. piece of shit

[Horse with no Name]

8. Count me in.

Fuck Bill Clinton.
He has no loyalty to us.

[Zenlitened]

9. Yay! An "I hate the Clintons" thread!

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

20. That's the first step to becoming an 31337 pr0gr3x0r!

Cl1nt0n 5ux d00d!

[Just Me]

22. I do NOT "hate" them. I just feel seriously betrayed.

I am trusting my eyes,...and I object to what I see. That's not hate. It's disappointment and frustration and objection.

[bliss_eternal]

67. Same here...

:(

[Biased Liberal Media]

72. That's pretty much how I felt when Hillary stood against gay marriage

and the way I'm feeling towards Bill now.

[QC]

25. Thank goodness someone posted another one!

We were down to just 20 or 30 of them!

[bpilgrim]

29. if the Clinton's cared they would take these criticisms seriously

and adjust their sails... they could do a lot of good for the country but it seems the third-way/DLC type cares more about their business friends than weTHEpeople.

what's up wit dat :shrug:

peace

[pitohui]

10. if bill gets more $$$ to my peeps in miss and louisiana

he is making a difference

where do you live

and maybe more to the point how many hundreds of miles north of where you live did you live last week?

clinton will get us help

if he has to kiss some ass to do it, if he puts the ppl above his personal pride, then god bless him

two ppl who have become a hero to me after they left office, carter & clinton

you don't know what you have till it's gone

[never_get_over_it]

30. Been where you are

and I'll tell you when you finally "get it" about these two opportunists it will be a big disappontment. I'll feel your pain - Bill and Hillary and all the DLCers are enablers - if he can raise money to help that is wonderful - but more important than that very important task is for these leaders to remove this criminal administration from office legally and peacefully and NOW not on Jan 20, 2009 - we might not survive 3 and a half more years.

[Tyranny_R_US]

46. B. Clinton could eat a 2nd baby with Bush on TV and...

There will be someone on DU making excuses for his behavior and on FR someone will be making excuses for Bush's, this brainless foolishness has to end at some point these people have to be held accountable for their actions or inactions.

[crispini]

96. LOL.

thanks for the chuckle.

[fearnobush]

11. He's been quite cozy with BFEE lately.

Shillary in 08, yeah right.

[KittyWampus]

21. To Get Clinton,You Have To Throw Poppy Into Mix. Isn't Pretty But

necessary.

Can any of you raise billions worldwide?

[never_get_over_it]

12. Oh come on

all these DLCers are biding their time - picking their battles - you know how it goes

Welcome to the club - I gave up on them a long time ago.....the only thing I still admire about Bill is that he is a brainiac - Hillary left her the day whe was suckig up to the pro-birth crowd.

[Southsideirish]

13. They are out for themselves, only and forever. They used and use the

Democratic party for their own selfish ends for years. They are horrid people who will do anything to promote themselves.

[MODemocrat]

34. Sorry I bothered to read this topic

Doing the republicans' work for them is just not my forte.:shrug:

[LiberalVoice]

93. If by "republicans' work" you mean...

weeding out the unacceptable options for the 08' bid and exposing the hypocrisy that also runs rampant in a mostly spineless Democratic party then you would be correct.

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. Today was the tipping point for me and I really hate saying that.

But his performance today along side Poppy put me off!

[AuntiBush]

32. Saw it and felt the same damn way!

It made me sick. Clinton's comments defending * and praising the help (yeah--4 days later) was it for me.

[mcctatas]

15. "BEING or BECOMING a part of the machinery that destroys."

While I agree on the point of Hillary in some respects, I do not see how a former president using his global and national popularity to garner support and aid for those in need destroys anything. Sometimes you have to dance with the devil and I think Bill Clinton is the only one NOT politicizing this tragedy. Maybe that can be considered a flaw, maybe he should be pointing out the total incompetence of bushCo., but I personally would rather be humane than right.

[Eloriel]

52. Well, but that's not ALL he did. Perhaps you missed it.

He voluntarily offered up a big ole defense of Bush Jr.'s incompetence in handling this disaster by saying something about, "No one could've predicted........."

Baaaad mistake. Very bad mistake. Fatal, in some people's eyes, as you can see. Even I, NOT a Cliton fan, was shocked, appalled, dismayed and felt betrayed one more time.

[mcctatas]

59. And I'm sure he would have been able to lend his considerable

popularity to the relief effort if he had said "These incompetent pricks knew this could happen" :eyes: Like I said, I'd rather be humane than right.

[back2basics909]

16. me too...

.. its the wrong thing to be complicit about.

[LoZoccolo]

18. I'm sure he cares about a few chronic complainers on the Internet as well.

I'm sure he sees they represent normal people.

[Imagevision]

19. I agree, Bill was good once but he too made some bad moves

and I don't mean Monica -- even he himself said he should have done more with OBL.

But he was good while he lasted.

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[bluestateguy]

23. This is such a pointless thing to talk about now

Getting help to the people who need it should be the highest prioroty right now. The tableau of Clinton and the 2 Bushes is a little irritating to watch, but I promise you that the people in New Orleans are suffering a lot more than you or me right now.

[QC]

31. There is nothing too pointless or trivial

to rack up hundreds of more or less identical posts here.

Those of us who need the site for news are being severely disadvantaged by those who think that DU is their blog.

[LoZoccolo]

43. You speak wisdom again!

Those of us who need the site for news are being severely disadvantaged by those who think that DU is their blog.

Well said! :applause:

Sucks that the ignore list doesn't work on level 3; I'm seeing all sorts of people I haven't seen in a while.

[QC]

61. Thanks!

Getting really tired of all the drama queenery, tinhat hysterics, me-too vanity threads, etc. Tragedy has certainly brought out the worst here.

[bpilgrim]

78. Tragedy has certainly brought out the PC police here, how quaint...

http://media.globalfreepress.com

peace

[bpilgrim]

73. psst... ever hear of LBN?

that's where you go for news and the mods are very good about keeping it up too date.

and we got an AWESOME Editorial board, too, that is always up to date and has great mods.

fyi: this forum is for GENERAL discussion, about current events, open to all, you don't have to click on threads you aren't interested in or start your own.

enjoy :hi:

peace

[samsingh]

26. unfortunately, i agree with you

Bill Clinton is too smart for his and our good.

[SnoopDog]

27. You sleep with dogs, you get fleas....

[Mr_Spock]

28. Pathetic posts like this make me sick

I guess we have our emotional "all or nothing" types here, and I expect some of this here, but it makes me sick. Have fun. :D

[LoZoccolo]

35. I really feel that you have to sift to make DU useful.

There are some people who like to waste your time. Really they distract the useful people, and bring us further away from our goal. And thus, that is why I have around 480 people on ignore.

[Just Me]

41. In that case, you have failed to raise your "ignore" to 481.

Obviously, my perspective is a waste to you. So, you have the power to choose to "ignore" me rather than post a diminishing judgment of me and my perspective.

[LoZoccolo]

48. I may have already had you on ignore.

Level 3 disables the ignore list, so you'd show up anyways.

I really don't feel any grief for trying to manage my time a bit better for the good of society and using my activist hours more efficiently.

[Just Me]

68. I'd be very interested in your management.,...

,...and how well it has worked, to date.

[LoZoccolo]

82. It makes things somewhat better.

Of course, Internet message boards are a magnet for the hyperemotional and socially inept, so there's constant maintanence to be done.

[Mr_Spock]

42. I wish I could ignore people - I can't

I put up with the "just heard this on Faux" people, the "I hate Hillary" people (who we all know would vote for her), the new "I hate The Clenis" people who have no sense of diplomacy and couldn't get along with a puppy, etc...

I know to expect this here - we are all in different emotional states - so many of us will not align on a particular day, but to trash Bill Clinton who was an optimistic, intelligent, charismatic President who lead us for 8 wonderful years just because he is being diplomatic in the face of a national catastrophe is just beyond the pale. The angry people here are shameless and disgust me a lot - I had to say something.

Get a hold of your emotions people!

[bpilgrim]

51. too bad we can't vote on every post

http://media.globalfreepress.com

then the cream would rise to the surface.

and snipes trying to get us to walk in lockstep would be less of a nuisance.

"480 people on ignore

not much tolerance for diversity of opinion, on a regulated board even :wow:

i got 0 folks on ignore, the mods do an AWESOME job here :toast:

i bet i'm number 2 on the list ;->

peace

[LoZoccolo]

57. Not much tolerance for a waste of my time more like.

I tend to know when people are being ridiculous. It would be irresponsible of me to spend too much time reading some of this junk.

[bpilgrim]

63. then why are you posting and reading if it's "a waste of your time"

our LEADERS have been codling these mad men for years now it has got to STOP.

peace

[Autonomy]

36. I agree. What the hell are you people talking about?

He's helping solicit donations for disaster victims? Is that the big Clinton crime this week?

OMG, what a traitor to the liberal cause! He's helping poor underprivileged people! He's not one of us anymore! :sarcasm:

[QC]

39. But he's not PURE, don't you see?!

He's not PURE! He has defiled himself! He is UNCLEAN!

[Autonomy]

87. True, he's not pure, but he doesn't have bullet holes in his shoes

and he's nobody's martyr. We have too many people bearing crosses on the reichwing already. Enough with the leftie puritanism. This is politics, not a religion.

[Mr_Spock]

55. Yep, helping people in a catastrophe is bad when the Preznit is a Repub

I hate Bush more than all the people on the planet combined, but doing what Clinton is doing is NOT bad!!! He is trying to help people in a time of need!!! How heartless and political are people here??

I am ashamed of posts like this. Totally disgusted...

[bpilgrim]

37. is that emotion i detect, mr_spock?

this cozying up to the neoCONs is CRIMINAL at this point.

if he called them out, a couple times at LEAST, after 4 1/2 years of horror he wouldn't get this criticism.

if he and his DLC were smart they WAKE THE FUCK UP and realize this AIN'T the 90s anymore and weTHEpeople are getting our A$$E$ kicked!

i used to think they cared about the little people... now i know it was just TALK, smooth...


http://media.globalfreepress.com

peace

[Mr_Spock]

49. He's being diplomatic in the face of a national catastrophe

Get over yourself will ya - some things are more important than politics...

[bpilgrim]

58. yeah, the POSTER-BOY on demand role is getting OLD

much more is expected after all these years.

"Get over yourself will ya - some things are more important than politics..."

you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen & that goes double for slick willie!


http://media.globalfreepress.com

peace

[Mr_Spock]

69. He's a better man than some of the bitter people here.

He knows the difference between a national catastrophe and politics as usual - you are being emotional now and not seeing the bigger, more long term picture. You will eventually - most rants like this end up being embarrassing later when the so called "rat" rips the Chimp a new ass hole. Give it time...

[bpilgrim]

85. "bitter"?!? i am OUTRAGED!!! where the fuck is our leadership!

and i am TIRED of being talked to like a fucking kid!!!

i am not buying the CARTOON WORLD view that the neoCONs and the DLC are selling, it is KILLING US.

and your got damned right i'm being emotional now they're are fucking 10's of thousands of my fellow citizens being left to STARVE to DEATH on my fucking teeVee screen and everyone is supposed to keep on pretending that the neoCONs are NOT criminals of the highest order?

FUCK THAT!

http://media.globalfreepress.com

peace

[LoZoccolo]

89. Why do you need someone else to speak for you?

That's pathetic.

These people who whine about Bill Clinton this and Harry Reid that tend to be pretty impotent.

[bpilgrim]

94. i speak for myself just fine thankyou, and have been for years...

but no one listens when i tell then to ACT!!! they just send me canned form letters in reply or hang up on me.

yeah, i guess you can say i'm pretty impotent at the end of the day but i sure as hell won't shut up!

peace

[Mr_Spock]

92. I am crying daily for the dying and starving - Clinton is HELPING damn it!

Why can't you see that this is not some big neocon conspiracy against all of us - Clinton is simply serving his country in a time of need!! It's so simple damn it - why are you making tin-foil out of this!!! Damn it!

[Autonomy]

101. Then stop acting like a kid. n/t

[Just Me]

110. Stop acting like an asshole. n/t

[Just Me]

60. You don't get it!!! It's their "politics" that is gross!!!

Our concern is about PEOPLE!!!! FUCK POLITICS!!!! FUCK THEIR POLITICS!!!! FUCK YOUR POLITICS!!!!

'kay

[Mr_Spock]

71. Huh?? Helping people in a catastrophe is political??

You will see things differently when the adrenaline drains out of your system...

[saracat]

65. Politics controls everything so nothing is more important

And what Clinton did by backing a lie was not diplomacy. It was politics at its lowest level.

[Mr_Spock]

76. Helping people during a catastrophe is "backing a lie"?

No, I'm being pragmatic and the few emotional tyrants here are the ones who are being excessively political.

Let him help the people damn it - it would have been totally improper for him to refuse to help - he's a damned ex-President and he DOES understand diplomacy - unlike the cock-sucker in the WH now.

Don't blame Clinton for being a better man than Bush!!!!!!!

[bpilgrim]

105. NOT opposing these bastards over these past 4 1/2 years and even SUPPORT'n

their evil deeds is what people are talking about and will keep talking about.

NO ONE is saying he shouldn't help the 'people' but that doesn't mean he needs to support the neoCONs.

notice how the support clinton crowd is gett'n thiner... ever wonder why?

peace

[Mr_Spock]

109. No, I haven't noticed - except for the natural progression to new leaders.

Clinton has limited usefulness to us now - so politically he may not be as useful. My avatar is Clinton and until a better man emerges to take his place, it will remain as Clinton. Why are you making this into a broader argument about neocons and Clinton's popularity anyway? Clinton is doing a diplomatic job to help starving and dying people at the request of the (admittedly hated) Preznit of the USA. He cannot say no to such a request, nor would saying no to such a request do anything to help the Democratic party. That's the argument here. :D

[Just Me]

56. That participation is just,...NOT OKAY.

It,...well,...it hurts. These are the same people who,...well,...

I have reached my limits. I cannot tolerate this cooperation with a regime that is exploiting our people. I will NOT tolerate it.

[Mr_Spock]

64. Well, I feel sorry for you. I don't liek that he HAS to do this, he MUST

It is one of the unwritten rules of this country and I think he is upholding a responsibility that goes beyond politics, IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR COUNTRY!!!

Our country is more important than politics, especially when we are talking about an ex-president who is being diplomatic and can't run for president again anyway - what the fuck is the problem here???

[Just Me]

74. No. I reject the excuse of "unwritten rules" and all that rationalization

Damn right our country is more important than "politics"!!! So, those "unwritten rules" imposed by the game of politics should be chewed up and spit out,...FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY!!!

[Mr_Spock]

83. Huh? nonsequitur, nonsequitur, nonsequitur, nonsequitur, nonsequitur!!!

C'mon - go to bed and relax for a while.

Don't blame Clinton for being a better man than Bush. You know that a better amn will NOT get caught up in simple minded emotional politics - like Bush and...

[LoZoccolo]

79. You're getting dragged in.

These people love the attention they get by throwing tantrums and have us beg them to believe some common sense.

[Mr_Spock]

86. I'm not begging them. I'm being pragmatic and scolding them

It's OK - I can just quit any time now - there's more than enough information here already to help them get their heads on straight.

Sucked in - yeah, it happens here - I kind of like the confrontation at times - I think it makes us all better people. We all learn from confrontation and it's good practice for when our real enemies think they can divide us... We will demolish them.

[LoZoccolo]

91. Yeah, you're right.

It's frustrating though. I wonder if we're really outnumbered or if the other sensible people just move along though.

[Mr_Spock]

95. I ignored this thread three times before I felt like I had ot say somethin

I felt in this case like I had a responsibility to say something - like something drove me into this conflict even though I knew it would be fruitless and frustrating. I think good people have bad days - I know because I have been VERY emotional lately due to this catastrophe - and I'm only half-human!! :D

[Autonomy]

106. I can't believe I am going to say this...

but I am glad Chimpie is the president and not one of these anti-Clinton ranters. At least the chimp has the sense to call on Bill Clinton when things get tough. That's the ONE good thing I've EVER said about him.

[Just Me]

108. Pragmatism: the political game is hurting us. Scolding: those who are,...

,..confronting the fact that the political game is hurting us.

I realize that you genuinely believe your perception is true and right and good. However, I genuinely believe that the games associated with "politics" are hurting our people and our country. I believe it is time to demand a different game, one that is aligned with basic values of accountability and justice and equality.

Please, do not taunt me.

[LoZoccolo]

75. You know what, then don't.

The rest of us will do the work of moving this country ahead then, while you nurse whatever feelings you got hurt. Go.

[ktowntennesseedem]

33. I'd still vote for either Clinton before I'd vote for Dubya.

But then I vote for a sock-puppet before I'd vote for Dubya. Or a dead tree. Or the mold growing on the leftovers in the back of the fridge. The puppet, the tree, or the mold would have done more for Katrina victims than our shithead pres has done.

Way to go, Bill. You're just slightly more favorable than mold.

[Usrename]

38. Yeah, he left us such a crappy economy, and all that peace and

stuff. hate him :sarcasm:

[stepnw1f]

45. That Was Good

Thanks for keeping it in perspective. I am however let down by this new.

[mcctatas]

54. Yeah, I am so bummed that I had to live through 8 years of sanity in the

Oval office. It sucked to wake up every morning knowing my husband would still have a job, my kids would go to a decent school and my family in Ireland wouldn't tell me to claim Canadian citizenship when I visit. Things were so mundane and peaceful then.

[babylonsister]

40. I still love Bill and wish he had been his own damn self.

I could care less who he blew or who blew him; everyone loved him for a lot of years. I still think Bill would like to say his piece, but is keeping it quiet b/c of his wife. But I want Bill Clinton to blow honestly.

[scarletwoman]

44. NAFTA made me realize that "I feel your pain" was really just bullshit.

My disdain for Clinton was sealed when he refused to grant clemency to Leonard Peltier in the final months of his presidency.

I'm years past feeling disappointed in him. He's just another face of the Overclass -- Hillary as well (who will NOT get my vote in 2008).

For me, Bill "Big Dawg" Clinton is like an alcoholic, abusive boyfriend I once was stupid enough to hang out with. Cute, charming, seductive -- but not worth my time and trouble and the injury to my spirit.

sw

[IndyOp]

47. Burn 'em

...in effigy.

Ever since I realized what Clinton did to Iraq by allowing sanctions for 8 years, I've not been able to keep from thinking he is headed to someplace after death to burn off the grime that coats his soul.

They do this killing/allowing killing to happen so blithely.

:cry:

[journalist3072]

50. Utter Bullshit...

I'm sorry, but I'm tired of Demcrats pissing on Clinton for simply coming together with Bush Sr. to help raise money for those in need.

You have always heard President Clinton say there is more that unites us, than divides us.

And you know, maybe he's trying to show the Republicans something. Maybe he's trying to show them they did not break his spirit.

I think we need to applaud him for being a class act and not being a bitter, angry man.

[lildreamer316]

53. Primary Colors.

They failed the test. Again.

[lonestarnot]

66. Nope no more passes from me either! None of these worthless fucks!

Silence must be broken NOW!

[JDPriestly]

70. Clinton, like Tenet before him,

is the token Democrat who will be blamed when the Bush policies fail. Bush has tried repeatedly to co-opt the FDR legacy. Now, he is doing the same with Clinton, and Clinton is allowing his legacy to be co-opted.

Still, I think that in times of emergency, Bush calls on Clinton. This is the second time he has done that. I think it is an admission on Bush's part that he can't handle these situations and that there really aren't any Republicans who can. This is a tremendous confirmation of a fact that we take for granted: Democrats, Clinton being just one example, are competent in leading this country. Republicans, Bush being the best example, are not. Let's point this out every chance we can.

[RBHam]

77. Clinton was compromised long ago

It's sad to see some on the left blindly following the cult of personality as assuredly as some on the right do.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4556712

[bhunt70]

102. more like

it's sad to see people that profess the values of a Democrat adhering to an with us or against us attitude at this point in time.

[bhunt70]

80. Ridiculous post.

Pres. Clinton is helping in an effort to raise money for the unfortunate people that live in the areas that were hit by the most recent hurricane and you think he's politicizing it and looking bad because he's doing so at the request of the chimp?

Wow, how crazy. Do you think we should only give support to those people down there who are democrats? If you can't see that having a previously popular president to do some fund raising for you is a good thing then I almost feel sorry for you.

[RBHam]

90. please...

why doesn't he point out that 3 trillion dollars in tax cuts for the rich should be repealed RIGHT NOW!

instead, he defended the bush administration's ineptitude.

with a passion.

wake up.

[bhunt70]

99. yeah, like playing politics right now will do anything to help the cause.

I think it's you that needs to wake up and realize that any money Clinton can raise for a disaster is a good thing, whether the chimp, mother theresa's ghost, or satan asked him to do it.

[Ian David]

84. I feel your pain

[Brightmore]

88. Either you are with us or against us...

Right? That's what the Clinton-bashers seem to be saying.

[bhunt70]

100. seems that way to me.

sad isn't it?

[brentspeak]

97. Good grief. What's more important:

Clinton slapping down Bush, or Clinton raising some serious dough for the people afflicted by this disaster? What's more important to you?

[Tyranny_R_US]

104. What good is private donations (NOT THAT I'm discuraging it!) but

what good is it going to do when most of the people who need it NOW are dead by the time checks are cashed?

[incapsulated]

103. Clinton doesn't need to be the Bush family lapdog to raise money

Is Bush Sr. so charismatic that the Big Dog needs him by his side to get people to give? As if Americans wouldn't give to help out victims without these two doing their little routine?

Some people act like what Clinton is doing is akin to crawling through sewage to save victims and we want to stop him. Please. He's being used, and doing using himself, for political reasons. Jimmy Carter didn't feel the need to kiss Reagan's shrivled ass to help people.

I've loved and defended the man for a decade now. I've had enough. This is going to far, to defend the very people responsible for the deaths and suffering of so many Americans, here and abroad.

[flaminbats]

107. Is Clinton telling me not to insult this President?

ok, f*ck you slickwillie, now I'll insult you both!!

I read your shitty book.."My Waste", now I've put it where it truly belongs..in the trash.

[The Magistrate]

111. Locking

This has become a flame-war.