Stop saying the Bushistas are incompetent! PLEASE!

[neweurope]

These people after all ARE running a very large country, whether you agree with the way they’re doing it or not. They ARE able to organize wars overseas. They ARE able to come up with cunning ways to undermine the United Nations. They ARE able to invent a strategy – a deviously clever strategy, even, to pull the wool over (almost) everybody’s eyes while reaching for absolute power and control.

They are NOT stupid. I wish they were.

They are NOT stupid. But even if they WERE too stupid to come up with a plan to help the suffering people in NO on their own – which they AREN’T - there must have been old FEMA plans for a disaster like this to fall back on, and it’s not as if this was the first storm to ever hit the US.

These people who are able to organize stolen elections, wars overseas, total press control are NOT controlling the disaster in New Orleans. Moreover, they even REJECT the help that over 20 nations plus the UN plus NATO have offered so far.

WHY?

These people who in mass manipulation follow right in Goebbel’s footsteps – every picture counts, every picture, every publicly spoken word is carefully staged and deviously planned for in advance – these people let themselves be photographed playing guitar while New Orleans is flooded, eating cake while people on rooftops have no water or food for their babies, buying expensive shoes while babies have no diapers and the sick have no medication. Common sense would dictate that they not do this. Experience with this bunch would say they’d grab the next microphone and tell the nation that everything, everything will be done etc. etc.

So WHY do they prefer to have pictures published that show them eating cake, buying shoes and playing guitar?

They are NOT incompetent. And don’t repeat that they have no heart. That really goes without saying and is no reason for this behaviour.

They MUST have a plan. There MUST be a reason for this criminal and truly bizarre behaviour.

Think.


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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[Kerrytravelers]

1. They are very compantent criminals, that's for sure.

[linazelle]

2. Very well said. I guess the business-as-usual photo ops are there

way of saying things are OK--just shop and vacation. Ahhh the good life. May as well put them in a Lexus commercial or something.

[Peggy Day]

3. Amen brother-One love One tribe--Humans

[MnFats]

4. It appears they are ignorant of history, too.

How much do you think Bush knows about Iran, for example. Does he know the Shah, a U.S. friend but a cruel dictator, was overthrown but re-installed by the CIA?
No. He doesn't want to know why they hate us.

[applegrove]

5. Bush purposely left a Vacuum after the Hurricane. It was supposed

to pay off somehow. Perhaps in people being weaned of the federal government for help (starve the beast and get the people to not rely on it in times of trouble). Perhaps he needed a place to dump all the anger at his actions..and looters in NO looked like great scapegoats. Perhaps he wanted his corporate buddies to step in with the money and didn't want to infringe on their "goodwill" by complicating it with federal help. Goodwill is an asset you know?

Who knows. The ***hole was either a vacuum for some cunning reason... or some arab dragged huge magnet through Washington and erased all electronic knowledge on "mob escalation in times of lawlessness" and they didn't know that it was a very likely outcome.

[tk2kewl]

6. Eugenics

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-50,GGLD:en&q=bush+eugenics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

[fob]

7. How can you type all of that and come to the conclusion they are NOT

incompetent? First of all you seem to confuse incompetence with stupidity, there are plenty of smart people that can/are incompetent. Secondly, just because they appear to have a plan (to destroy America and it's way of life), doesn't mean they are competent. They may be able to put their fucked up plan together, that doesn't mean they can run the place competently. I'd say their plan is being rather clumsily implemented at this point, although I will give you that for some reason there seems to be no one able to stop them. That also doesn't give them any extra claim to competency.

Criminal - Yes
Bizarre - Yes
Competent - Hell No.

[tk2kewl]

10. they are very competently bankrupting the federal government

and that is deliberate. allowing NO to be completely innondated hurries that along. look at my post #9 in this thread below http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4572589&mesg_id=4572740

[fob]

11. Ah, one of the Criminal planks of their "plan".

[aquart]

Oh, please. Fascists always fool people that way.

They can plan for the first ten minutes. Then, POOF!

They are fascists. Fascists are something a bit worse than racists, because racism is more the excuse than the truth. They just want any excuse to take. They dehumanize to justify their crimes. But when they do that, "gooking" we called it during Viet Nam, they don't take into account the will and determination of their victims.

They are such clever manipulators, how is it they still manage to totally misunderstand human motives?

Fascists destroy other countries, but are destroyed when they foul their own nests. When they bring death home to their own people.

Honey, that's STUPID.

Fascists bring death. You may have noticed that. Please stop with being so damn impressed by it.

[tk2kewl]

12. it has become clear to me that they don't care if they get thrown out

of washington... they are simply doing everything they can to financially cripple the federal gov't before they do
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4572589&mesg_id=4572740

[kodi]

8. Paul Krugman answers you today.

"I don't think this is a simple tale of incompetence. The reason the military wasn't rushed in to help along the Gulf Coast is, I believe, the same reason nothing was done to stop looting after the fall of Baghdad. Flood control was neglected for the same reason our troops in Iraq didn't get adequate armor.

At a fundamental level, I'd argue, our current leaders just aren't serious about some of the essential functions of government. They like waging war, but they don't like providing security, rescuing those in need or spending on preventive measures. And they never, ever ask for shared sacrifice.

Yesterday Mr. Bush made an utterly fantastic claim: that nobody expected the breach of the levees. In fact, there had been repeated warnings about exactly that risk.

So America, once famous for its can-do attitude, now has a can't-do government that makes excuses instead of doing its job. And while it makes those excuses, Americans are dying."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/opinion/02krugman.html


our current leaders just aren't serious about some of the essential functions of government.

Wh?, because the do not believe that the purpose of government is to do justice to its citizens. for them it is a means to an end and that end is to acquire and secure property.

[tk2kewl]

9. I also suspect its another way to bankrupt the government

let the whole city flood and then we'll need to use tax dollars to *save* the insurance industry and rebuild the city... sorry nothing left for social programs and the environment

[Kurt Remarque]

13. when the rubber hit the road in new orleans

they showed their true colors of ignorance and incompetence. small minds with large selfish dreams of world dominance with little concern about profound domestic needs

[PowerToThePeople]

14. Actually.

This is a test.

Shoot to kill American citizen orders now exist.

Will be used to quell all dissent in future, example sept 24, 2005

This total disregard of human life and the "in your face, fuckoff" will drive anyone not completely traitorous and drunk on kool-aid to surface.

These people will be gunned down with shoot to kill orders as well.

The green lizard aliens are about to exterminate the remainder of the "true" human race.

[tk2kewl]

15. .

[PatriotMom]

16. After 911 Bush made these two speeches.....What's wrong with this picture?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
December 4, 2001

President Meets with Displaced Workers in Town Hall Meeting
Remarks by the President in Town Hall Meeting
Orange County Convention Center
Orlando, Florida

THE PRESIDENT: Hi, Patricia; how are you? How old is Patricia?

Q Five, and Jordan is in 3rd grade. And Jordan has a question, if I could give him the microphone.

THE PRESIDENT: You bet. Your mother is relaying the Mike to you, Jordan.

Q One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country. And another thing is that, how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack? (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Jordan. Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.

But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."

And, Jordan, I wasn't sure what to think at first. You know, I grew up in a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind -- just like your Daddy's and Mother's mind probably. And I started thinking hard in that very brief period of time about what it meant to be under attack. I knew that when I got all of the facts that we were under attack, there would be hell to pay for attacking America. (Applause.)

I tried to get as many facts as I could, Jordan, to make sure I knew as I was making decisions that I knew exactly what I was basing my decisions on. I've got a fabulous team. A President can't possibly be President without a good team. It starts with having a great wife, by the way. (Applause.)

And so, I got on the phone from Air Force One, asking to find out the facts. You've got to understand, Jordan, during this period of time, there were all kinds of rumors floating around. Some of them were erroneous. Obviously -- for example, there was a news report saying that the State Department had been attacked. I needed to know what the facts were. But I knew I needed to act. I knew that if the nation's under attack, the role of the Commander-In-Chief is to respond forcefully to prevent other attacks from happening. And so, I've talked to the Secretary of Defense; one of the first acts I did was to put our military on alert.

An interesting thing happened shortly thereafter. Condoleezza Rice -- who was not with me but was with the Vice President because they were in the White House compound -- called me on Air Force One after that, and said that she had gotten a call from Russia, from Vladimir Putin, who understood why we were putting our troops on alert, and, therefore, wasn't going to respond. That was an important phone call. Because when I was coming up, and a lot of other older-looking people here who were coming up with me -- (laughter) -- that would never have happened in the past. An alert by the United States would have caused Russia to go on alert, which would have created a complicated situation. But that wasn't the case.

By the way, we're heading into a new era. One of the positive things that comes out of the evil was, we're reassessing relationships in order to make the world more peaceful. I believe it's important for us to have positive relations with our former enemy and to rethink the defenses of the United States of America. (Applause.)

At any rate, I knew I had a job to do. And I was quoted in the press the other day as saying I haven't regretted one thing I've decided. And that's the truth. Every decision I made, I stand by. And I'm proud of the decisions I've made. (Applause.)



2ND SPEECH.......



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
January 5, 2002

President Holds Town Hall Forum on Economy in California
Remarks by the President in Town Hall Meeting with Citizens of Ontario
Ontario Convention Center
Ontario, California

Do you have a question. Come on underneath. The man's got a question.

Q First of all, I'm very impressed in how you handled the situation on September 11th. (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: That's plenty. (Applause.) No. Thank you.

Q What was the first thing that went through your head when you heard that a plane crashed into the first building?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. Well, I was sitting in a schoolhouse in Florida. I had gone down to tell my little brother what to do, and -- just kidding, Jeb. (Laughter.) And -- it's the mother in me. (Laughter.) Anyway, I was in the midst of learning about a reading program that works. I'm a big believer in basic education, and it starts with making sure every child learns to read. And therefore, we need to focus on the science of reading, not what may feel good or sound good when it comes to teaching children to read. (Applause.) I'm just getting a plug in for my reading initiative.

Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."

And in the meantime, this teacher was going on about the curriculum, and I was thinking about what it meant for America to be under attack. It was an amazing thought. But I made up my mind that if America was under attack, we'd get them. (Applause.) I wasn't interested in lawyers, I wasn't interested in a bunch of debate. I was interested in finding out who did it and bringing them to justice. I also knew that they would try to hide, and anybody who provided haven, help, food, would be held accountable by the United States of America. (Applause.)

Anyway, it was an interesting day.

[Why Syzygy]

24. He's got a JOB to do?

When the fuck ever did he have a JOB?

This is scary. This guy carries the nuke football around with him.
I hope he has a zookeeper at all times.

And I CANNOT believe he gets applause. That is another scary propsition.

[titoresque]

17. Agreed! Well said!

damned hind-sight! You're right these bastards have a plan!

[Minstrel Boy]

18. Incompetents don't steal two general elections

and get away with it.

[PatriotMom]

19. Yep they are very calculating and they like to brag like serial killers

[JDPriestly]

20. My Rant:: Read the history of the French revolution.

In France, the nobility responded to the crisis of poverty and political disenfranchisement, the complaints of the middle and working classes before the French Revolution just as Bush, et al. are doing. When told people were begging for bread, Marie Antoinette is reported to have said "Let them eat cake." Whether or not that story is literally true, it reflects the attitude of the French nobility of the time and of the American wealthy at this time. Bush "studied" history at Yale. Surely he knows what happened in the French revolution. In the end, his kind who enjoyed wealth and power either fled or went headless to their graves.

All of the magnificence, pomp and glory of the French aristocracy, all of the pimping and luxury, the militarism, the government spending, gambling, borrowing and incurring of debt, none of it could numb the people enough to prevent them from feeling their deprivation and impoverishment and, in the end, rising up.

Until NO, poor and middle class people verging on poverty in the US have seen their personal misery as an isolated phenomena. The news from NO is waking up all of us out there who made a good living at some job until it was outsourced or disappeared and who are now eking out a living as a contract worker or surviving on money borrowed against our homes. We are starting to wake up to the fact that we are not alone. On some symbolic level, the starving, suffering people of NO who stand there with their pans held out, asking for food and water represent all of us Americans who are not part of the Bush elite and who have not profited from the new world order and free trade.

The Bush government, the Republican elite does not care about any of us. The misery in NO and the lack of response by the Bush administration demonstrate that fact. Some of us the Bush elite considers too old to work and therefore useless; some of us they consider to be the wrong color or shape and therefore useless; some of us they view as too stupid because we can't get high enough scores on their bubble scored exams so we are categorized as useless; some of us just live on the wrong street or in the wrong town or state and are considered useless because of that.

And if Bush and his rich friends see us as useless, they could care less what happens to us. So what to do? We have to wake up and care about each other. Don't just send money to the charities that Bush and his friends have organized and control. You're just pouring your money down the drain. Those organizations will not correct the fundamental flaws in the system, the uncaring nature of our society. They will just take the money today and use it for elitest purposes. Sure, a small part of of it will put a few bandaids on people, but that's not what we need. We need an overhaul of the values of our society.

I used to work for a nonprofit. The members of the board of directors were extremely rich, self-centered types who thought they were doing a wonderful service to mankind if they attended a wine-tasting and paid $150 for the ticket. In fact the $150 was nothing to them, and the events were just opportunities for them to hob-nob with other wealthy people and to develop business contacts. The business of charity in this country is exactly that -- a business. Be careful of who you give your money to. How much of all that money going to the Red Cross do you think is really being used to get services, food, water to the poorest people of NO right now? Can you see any of it at work? Where is the water? Where is the food that money should have bought? The Red Cross takes in millions every year. What did it do with it? Why is there no disaster response to handle the NO situation? Why was the Red Cross not prepared for a megadisaster of this type? An event of this kind is long overdue. I'm skeptical, extremely skeptical about the functioning, purposes and will of charitable organizations -- and my skepticism is based on experience, on years of watching how they work and working within them.

As long as the differences between the rich and the poor are so great, we cannot have a healthy society. We are rapidly becoming like the French society before the revolution -- divided by a gulf between those who have and can control and those who have not and suffer in silence.

Bush should know better. He has a degree in history from Yale. I agree with the person who started this post. Bush does know better. But he is such a completely self-centered sociopath, as are the men and women around him, that he and they cannot have compassion. They feel superior to the suffering people of NO. They feel superior to Cindy Sheehan. They look down on us. After all, they tell themselves that God has taken care of them but not us for a reason.

So, what is the answer? We have to take care of ourselves by taking care of each other. IMPEACH BUSH. Get someone into power who knows what it is to suffer, to be poor and homeless. We cannot rely on or look to these filthy rich types any more, be they Kerrys or Kennedys or Bushes. We need a man of the people in the presidency, someone who knows what it is to live from paycheck to paycheck. Where can we find such a candidate? Is Clark such a man? I don't know. But we must begin a serious search.

Sorry for the long venting exercise. I am just so angry at what is going on in NO. Those suffering people are no different from me. I feel such kinship with them. Sure, I have education and advantages, but, I too am jobless and living on the brink. They have shown me just how foolish it is to think that I can take care of myself all by myself. I need a society that cares about me, that cares about the poor and dispossessed in NO. We are all just as close as they are to anarchy and lawlessness. All it takes is some event like Katrina and our society which is riven down the center by class distinctions falls apart. We have to build a better America, an America in which everyone has opportunity and you don't have to be rich or privileged to survive a hurricane. I hope the NO tragedy will inspire us to change our country.

[Why Syzygy]

25. thank you

:thumbsup: I have chills after reading that.

[Usrename]

27. The tragedy of Katrina will change history.

I think the people, rich and poor Americans are beginning to see through this farce of an administration. I think we know how to repair the damage that has been done by this cabal. The fairness doctrine, repeal of all the measures installed by this junta, and criminal prosecution of the law breakers. This last is important. No mercy. No allowing pardons and crap. Not like what has been done in the past. The criminal-in-chief cannot be allowed to have a get out of jail free card for these people. To fester and grow and return. Every generation has a battle for the hearts and minds of men. We will win. Many of those who have opposed our view are dirt-poor and couldn't buy a clue. Go figure. They have no power and so they do not have to be trusted. It is the wealthy opposition that is of concern, to be sure, not because of their wealth, but because of their ideals.

[Kurovski]

21. You will not convince enough people of that.

But people will see and believe incompetence sooner then they will an elaborately evil scheme.

You have to convince too many individuals who will never believe you, and worse, will never take a thing you say seriously.

This too, is understood by BushCo. And when you get into motive and accuse them of elaborately intricate plans, you play right into the game. The majority do not have the time to do the kind of research to see these things, the majority does not believe such things are possible in the United States.

Remember, we have to bring the Bush voter over to this side to create huge voter bloc in order to counter the election fraud which we are still not assured will not happen.

You will go further by pointing out incompetence, negligence and failure. On the surface, all those things are apparent and true.

[neweurope]

22. I know you are right. If it comes to turning the tide it's better

to act the way you say.

But right now I'm frankly scared that they might be trying to create a situation that "calls" for martial law in the US.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[renie408]

26. Wouldn't that have relatively limited value?

What would be the value of establishing martial law in a relatively limited area of New Orleans versus running the risk of turning the whole country against them? I am not doubting, I am trying to understand. Bush has his own supporters calling for his impeachment. His own constituency thinks he looks like an uncaring idiot. I have a couple of customers that have been diehard Bushies who are SICK over this whole thing and one of them told me last night, "You might have been right all along."

I am willing to go there with you that they may have some nefarious scheme, I am just trying to figure out what it could be. If Bush had allowed things to go to shit while he APPEARED to be concerned, I would see that as more valuable than this looking as if he is hiding and doesn't care.

[neweurope]

29. The following scenario has been mentioned on DU:

People all over the country are getting more and more angry - about Iraq, New Orleans, the gas prices etc. etc. A big demonstration - Sept 24th - has already been planned and that was before NO. It COULD be possible that the administration is really trying to enrage the whole country so much that there are "riots" which could then be a pretense for having martial law ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. The laws have been prepared - all they need to do is apply them.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[Why Syzygy]

23. I find it confusing ... really

Why do they do that? Is it to appeal to their hillybilly and have more bases?

I do believe they are stupid. Criminals usually are. Aren't they?

[moodforaday]

28. I was saying that all day yesterday

Except yesterday I didn't yet know about the inaction of FEMA and rejecting foreign aid.

Yesterday I was just thinking of Bush finger-licking cake photo-op and his guitar strumming photo-op. And Bush may be a moron and he may be hartless, but he has some of the best PR people. Those same PR people that brought you the exis of evil, that brought you "smoking gun as a mushroom cloud", that brought you "mission accomplished". A lethally effective PR machine.

So how come these PR people let Bush posture as Nero rather than as a leader? How come they let Bush _look_ like he didn't care or was not in control? One possibility is "PR sabotage" - maybe someone in there wants Bush out too and they intentionally sabotaged his image. But maybe they are indeed making a point of showing people nobody cares, maybe they are indeed teaching people a lesson.

[ananda]

30. they are able to..

.. get a lot of people to pretend that they are able to..

.. when in fact, Bushco fucks up everything it touches.

Reality hurts, but it's real.

Sue

[Stephanie]

31. Here are the pictures, in case anyone hasn't seen them >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4550031

[NNadir]

32. Hitler was also incompetant. His nation was destroyed too.

Short term parlor tricks do not make for competance.

[Zuni]

33. They are good at a few things---emergency planning

and dealing with crisis is NOT one of them. Time and time again they have run around like a headless chicken, blaming everyone but themselves when there is a crisis.

No, they are incompetent and this is showing the complete failure of leadership

[cthrumatrix]

34. of course you are correct .... everything is for a reason...why lie?