FEMA knew the "water impact" from a Cat 4/5 - and showed up "UNPREPARED"?

[cthrumatrix]

I don't buy it.

FEMA wrote the damn book in 2001 on what would happen with the levvy and potential breeches with a cat 4/5 hurricane in NO.

They brief the President in 2001 on this being one of three potential National Disasters.
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In 2001, FEMA ranked a major hurricane strike on New Orleans as “among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country.” Bush slashed hurricane funding anyway. August 29, 2005 10:19

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/29/bush-knew /
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SO what happens when they show up...."THEY DIDN'T PLAN FOR FLOODING"?


what??????????

yep...This is the FEMA Director "excuse"...."it impeded our ability"


Exucse me...? You wrote the f'ing book on what would happen and you are now saying this???????

None of this makes sense...this is not incompetence.

This is like a heart surgeon showing up for surgery without the ability to "operate".


This is planned chaos IMHO. The nex question is why?

Why does FEMA and the Federal Govt (or other ) want chaos?

[barbaraann]

1. Have you read Atlas Shrugged?

They might have the same scenario in mind--chaos destroys the socialist types and the business elite takes over.

[cthrumatrix]

3. actually I'm thinking more "controlled collapse of economy" via energy

prices.

they knew this would happen...they knew about the energy concentration.

and this happens...no fucking way

our economy is toast with the approaching housing bubble, falling dollar, infaltionary pressure and shit service jobs becuase of outsourcing.

TPTB cannot have things implode based on govt incompetence...they needed another 911.

EVERYTHING will be blamed on Katrina.

[EFerrari]

8. Yep. And they hope we'll be too traumatized to do anything.

And, we might be. Trauma is exhausting, even secondary trauma - watching someone else's.

[barbaraann]

9. yikes

n/t

[bryant69]

2. THey are rat bastards

Who just like suffering of other people. It's the only logical explanation. Human incompetance in the face of this enormous storm - well, it's just not credible. Nope the only possible explanation is planned misery.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[cthrumatrix]

5. not when you are talking about OIL.... this has been allowed. Oil is the

tool for the economy...this will bring down the economy

now why would they want to do that?

Ask why they whitewased 911 and look where our military is now.

[bryant69]

20. Whitewashed 9/11?

By the way anybody can type a bunch of vaguely ominous non-sequiters, and pretend that is an explanation.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[The Backlash Cometh]

4. Republicans don't read studies. They just skip to the bottomline.

[cthrumatrix]

6. read? they wrote the study in 2001

[blm]

11. That would be leftover REAL employees from Clinton's terms. The Bush folks

were political appointees, not emergency experts.

[cthrumatrix]

12. the point is they KNEW about water --- we are being lied to --- why ????

they knew about the energy concentration...

Bush cut the funding for hurrican preparedness...

This is beyond simple incompetence...

[blm]

16. In my view it's BFEE's preferred brand of population control while they

pay lipservice to the antiabortion VOTERS.

They prefer killing off the weak and poor while mewling about the unborn and contraception.

[cthrumatrix]

18. IMHO.... they do not play with "energy prices" willy nilly... that is waay

to important..

[cthrumatrix]

7. here is what FEMA said in 2001....please read

In 2001, FEMA ranked a major hurricane strike on New Orleans as “among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country.” Bush slashed hurricane funding anyway. August 29, 2005 10:19

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/29/bush-knew /

[cthrumatrix]

10. and tell me why these "snipers" are "invisible".... tons of helicopters

and they can't show a picture????

Boy these "bad guys" sure got really really smart to avoid all visibility

[cthrumatrix]

13. I want a damn reporter to ask the above question...and watch his EYES

[Window]

14. Afer this catastrophe, that FEMA director shouldn't be allowed

to find a job white-washing rat turds and selling them for rice!

[necso]

15. Talking about a category 4 or 5 storm

is somewhat misleading. It is really a question of what part of the storm passes over you (or more broadly, effects you).

And the hype earlier in the week was all about how the storm (the central, strongest part of the storm) missed NO. So the storm (the storm's core -- which had weakened by the time that it got that far north, as I recall) misses NO -- and they use the core's maximum strength (which did not hit NO) as an excuse for their failures.

Well, I guess the average American has no memory of recent events -- or they can't sort out the useful information from all the bullshit (which is exactly what our overlords wish).

And the levees weren't washed away like a huge storm surge might have done -- they were breached (which doesn't always even require being crested) and the breaches expanded over time. As for this risk (that of levees (or "dams") failing), it is a common knowledge (and common sense), reinforced by numerous movies, TV programs, studies, historical examples, etc. And all a person has to do is look up and see water above (the height of) their head to see where this is a risk.

There was a reconnaissance flight on Monday to inspect the levees. They saw at least one breach (in an early stage, as I remember it) and nothing (as far as I know) was done promptly.

As for pre-positioned supplies (if true) -- what did they do -- position these where they could be flooded out? This is worse than stupid -- it is wasteful -- and it vividly demonstrates incompetence.

[cthrumatrix]

17. for starters...they are paid to THINK...they are paid to PLAN

they did not plan for rising water....?????????

where were helipcopter drops...before "these snipers took over"?

why were the mayors pleads not answered immediately?

this is beyond incompetence.

VERY well paid "experts" are paid for "planning and execution"

[necso]

19. I would have no problem using the term "criminal negligence". /nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. They knew - here's the proof

WWUS74 KLIX 282139
NPWLIX

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE
MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA...
...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WATCH IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 TO 36 HOURS.

LAZ038-040-050-056>070-MSZ080>082-290300-
ASSUMPTION-HANCOCK-HARRISON-JACKSON-LIVINGSTON-LOWER JEFFERSON-
LOWER LAFOURCHE-LOWER PLAQUEMINES-LOWER ST. BERNARD-LOWER TERREBONNE-
ORLEANS-ST. CHARLES-ST. JAMES-ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST-ST. TAMMANY-
TANGIPAHOA-UPPER JEFFERSON-UPPER LAFOURCHE-UPPER PLAQUEMINES-
UPPER ST. BERNARD-UPPER TERREBONNE-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
PERSIST FOR THE NEXT 26 TO 28 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL
ONSET AROUND MIDNIGHT NEAR THE COAST AND BY 3 AM CLOSER TO THE NEW
ORLEANS METRO AREA AND PERSIST FOR 9 TO 15 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND GUSTS
AROUND 175 MPH ARE LIKELY IN THE WARNED AREA BY DAYBREAK MONDAY.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET!

$$

LAZ034>037-039-046>049-MSZ068>071-077-290300-
AMITE-ASCENSION-EAST BATON ROUGE-EAST FELICIANA-IBERVILLE-
PEARL RIVER-PIKE-POINTE COUPEE-ST. HELENA-WALTHALL-WASHINGTON-
WEST BATON ROUGE-WEST FELICIANA-WILKINSON-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
SREAD NORTHWESTWARD INTO THE GREATER BATON ROUGE AREA AND
SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI LATER THIS EVENING. TROPICAL STORM FORCE
WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO ONSET AROUND 9 PM TONIGHT AND PERSIST
FOR 22 TO 26 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL ONSET AROUND
DAYBREAK AND PERSIST FOR ABOUT 5 TO 10 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND
GUSTS OF 80 TO 90 MPH ARE POSSIBLE IN EAST-CENTRAL LOUISIANA
AND SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4490806

[crispini]

22. FEMA DID A DRILL ON THIS LAST SUMMER!

Soledad O'Brian saying that now on CNN.

[soothsayer]

23. Just like the 9-11 planes-into-buildings drill that coincided with

the actual planes-into-the-wtc. Wow.

[crispini]

24. Oh, please, take off the tinfoil hat.

Like the BFEE can summon up a HURRICANE? :eyes:

[cthrumatrix]

25. they can't summon a hurricane...you can't ignore that this is more

than simple incompetence

[crispini]

26. I am willing to consider that possibility.

But I also can't bear to really think about it right now.

[riverwalker]

27. they knew 100,000 could not leave

yet were totally unprepared to rescue them. I am beginning to believe FEMA wanted no survivors.
http://www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway/

[cthrumatrix]

29. the question is why? what the hell is going on? prepare for

more BS and lies

[dogday]

28. Since they had before Monday to prepare

They should of had it all under control. When the storm hit, they should of been bringing in all the food and water they could get their hands on. Also boats, Is there a shortage of Boats in our military and police? Hardly any law enforcement boats or any military boats in the water.

I called both Senators, both Republican and reamed them about Homeland Security. I said that if it had been my city, we would of all died waiting on Homeland Security to do it's job. We are not protected before or after any kind of attack..