Starve the beast anti-tax zealots are in charge

[AlCzervik]

and this is what happens. Money spent on a illegal war and the gutting of every agency in site.

[whatever4]

1. Please

Please don't blame the "anti-tax". The evils being done to us have nothing to do with "paying" taxes or limiting taxes.

They have enough money to run a war, and run us into the ground.

It's been the ABUSE of our money and the utter lack of our own interests in the USE of it. WE are not being represented. It has nothing to do with taxes.

People who want to keep taxes to a low, reasonable level are the SAME one's that fear the government abuses like IN New Orleans RIGHT now. These monsters have nothing to do with taxes.

Those who traditionally support reasonable, low taxes ARE NOT in line with the policies of this admin. I do not and have never supported any initiative of this admin; even when they spout lines that might make sense, they're only USING those ideas to steal from the poor.

Plain and simple. Like bankrupcy. Limiting abuses? Okay. Cutting it out from people who need it, and continuing with big-money tax breaks? Criminal. And they want to KEEP taxes, no matter WHAT they say about tax breaks. None of us ever fell for that. We always knew it would equal more tax and spend. They want tax breaks for wealthy, and none of us ever supported that on it's face. Economic mumbo-jumbo, like everything else from this admin. It sounded okay, a few times, early on, but not for long.

Why are you worried about privatization, when the real problem is that we've been sold out in the first place? It's not even the fact that they turn to big business, it's that they turn EVERYTHING over to LOYAL, GOP businesses, businesses ALREADY crooked.

If they tried, gave it half an attempt, there ARE businesses EVERY bit as ethical as government. And for this government? It's not a far stretch.

No, make no mistake. The mistakes in privatization come from fascism. Government owns business and business owns government.

I understand the anger. Even hatred. It's not hard to understand. I don't even want to argue over it, and if you slam me over this, I'm not going to slam back. Say what you will. AT this point, I'd take being slammed here better than dealing with the tragedy. I just want to point this out. It wasn't businesses in general. It was the businesses IN BED with this admin.

This government caused the tragedy, the real tragedy. They also caused the failure with privatization, because the cards were stacked. Real efforts by businesses...weren't even given a chance.

I imagine there are MANY business owners now that HATE this admin...but the admin doesn't work with them. Never forget that; some of our nations wealthy will be ALL that stand between us and this crooked admin; the rest of us don't have the resources. Ethical people come in all income ranges.

Hate the source. All sides and ALL camps have seen their philosopies and goals used and perverted by this admin. Then they pit us against each other! It has nothing to do with taxes, or taxing philosophy. I promise. This is class warfare and very little else. Most folks who think they're doing really well economically right now have NO idea how much they're going to lose either, because they don't realize that, with few resources so share, few of them will actually be high enough on the totem pole. They don't see they're already drowning.

Hope any of that was constructive. I seek to stem the hate toward those of other philosophies. There's no reason to argue right now; none of us support the actions of this admin. Taxes be damned. They weren't even a national problem when he attacked them. Just like Iraq.

[Skidmore]

2. The anti-tax zealots believe that

the only legitimate business of government is war. They invested in war and the war machine so that revenues couldn't be devoted to basic human needs and the infrastructure. Now we are seeing the effects. Roads, water plants, levees, you name it, all cost money to build. We need revenues to sustain the extended community. This cannot be ignored.

Keeping taxes low has nothing to do with government abuses. Concentration of power and corruption does. When those who grab power have wealth they don't need taxes. It is the common man who needs the communal wealth to live in a civilized manner. I guess the way I look at it is that business sold us out for profit. I don't hear any business people descrying corporate practices or having concern with the state of the nation right now. Lots of profiteering, deregulation, and illegal hiring going on now. The bottom line is a number, cold and unyielding.

[AlCzervik]

3. well said Skidmore, money diverted to fund a never ending war

a war that we are finacing instead of taking care of our own.

[whatever4]

10. And big business loving it, because they're part of it

and not really "private" businesses at all. Not anymore. Not with OUR tax dollars; they're practically a public entity. With none of the responsibilities; friends of BushCo all.

Privatization? Hardly. Cards were stacked from the beginning. Not private at all. Fascist.

[whatever4]

9. That is not true

What you said, "the anti-tax zealots believe that the only legitimate business of government is war". That isn't true at all, and further, almost all of them believe in the constitution, in total.

"The bottom line is a number, cold and unyielding." HAPPENS when government is RUN by business instead of the people. We are not controlling our government. Taxes have little to do with that, voting does. Our government is the one doing these things, and they have plenty of our tax dollars.

How much and how many wars do you want to allow these people to wage anyway?? My god, you think this military machine needs more taxes?? What in the world do you think they'd do with them, ignore another hurricane maybe?

You sound (targeting your behavior, not you, if you'll note) like you could just as easily put down the "feminazies" like Rush, to me, it has the same tone. I'm one of the "they" you're so busy labeling. Yeah, me, sitting here crying over everything going on. But notice, I HAVEN'T labeled you. MUCH as I could. Though I am upset enough to call anyone just about anything.

I'd expect similar restraint. Especially on a day like this.

I'm not going to slam. Period. No one else's bad behavior controls mine.

[Skidmore]

12. What are you talking about?

Who is labeling you? Not me. I made a statement about what I believe communal revenues are need for and how that relates to the use and misuse of power. I can only speak to the issue from where I sit in the social pecking order, and to me the business community has appeared to go about maximizing profits rather singlemindedly for quite some time now. I've watched the power of labor erode and the power of business grow. I've watched the rights of the individual sacrificed on the altar of profit.

[whatever4]

15. Just keep in mind

leaving this alone, I think I should and am not welcomed, but first I want to repeat that it's important to remember the businesses working with this GOP, the businesses responsible for this, were working WITH this government. They helped shape policy, they were picked, they aren't exactly private if they're IN the government.

In effect, they weren't under any government controls at all. It was designed that way from the start, when they were picked, many of them not GOOd choices at all, fraught with fraud and planning to rob us all along. It was no surprise to this admin. Buddies of the GOP.

Just to say, free enterprise, real privatization, whether it would have worked or not...was never given a chance. It's not what happened.

It all went to the cronies. So keep in mind, while discussing the "anti-tax zealots". They didn't want to sell out our government at any point in time. And they don't think "the only legitimate business of government is war. That is quite insulting to me. It's exactly opposite of what I think.

But, as with all things, this admin has left me unable to defend my side or myself, having taken all good ideas and perverted them into their opposite, past the point of tolerance or sanity. It's what they do best.

That, and divide our nation.

I wish you all well.

[Kingshakabobo]

4. I believe the OP is referring tho the Grover Norquist crowd.

The ones who want to intentionally bankrupt the treasury so we don't have any choice but to cut everything (except the military). You know, the haves and the haves more.

[AlCzervik]

6. thats exactly of whom i'm speaking, Norquist and the Stephen Moores of

this country.

[annabanana]

5. New Orleans is Norquist's Bathtub

Will the federal government die in the swamps and sewage?

[PA Democrat]

7. On Wednesday I received a letter from Rick Santorum

pushing for more tax cuts. People are dying for lack of basic necessities and these greedy filthy PIGS are planning more tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Santorum wants to eliminate the "death" tax for the heirs of multi-millionaires, while our fellow AMERICANS are dying because they have no food, no water, no medicine.

This Republican bastards are beyond despicable. May they burn in hell.

[killbotfactory]

8. The rich need to keep more of their money so they can donate more

see it all makes sense.

[bleedingheart]

11. Ayn Rand's Dream has come True!!!

[whatever4]

13. Ya know

She came from Russia, where she got to watch the downfall of her country TOO. Perhaps poorly managed government that felt entitled to use, abuse, and take from it's citizens isn't so unique a concern. Just unique in the approach. Far as I can see, she never wanted anyone to die needlessly from being denied even the MOST basic of governmental functions. What we're seeing right now, from this VERY anti-Rand admin.

You hate her? Don't worry, BushCo does too.

They LOVE government interference; see how they snoop on us to keep us safe from the rest of the evil world? See how we don't need privacy, anywhere, or the Miranda, or even right to trial? All to keep us safe? Think that's any different than socialism, giving all your resources to a central point and expecting everything to be doled out "fairly"?? Trust a police state? Keep us safe? Keep us feed?

Make SURE you FORCE everyone to give up everything they have, and then let some central agency share it all out again? That will keep the greedy jerks in control of the process in line...if we give them enough?

Hope you're happy in their "we're from the government, we're here to help" camp, because that's all you're buying into. And the help in New Orleans is the help you get...with a government that does not represent it's people. Taxes or not.

Sure. Trust your government to the n-th degree. Keep going in that socialism direction, go for Communism, see if it's any better. See what it gets you. See if it gets you anything better.

[pearl]

14. Privatizing FEMA

What a croc of Shit!