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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:42 AM
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FEMA says *you* are responsible for 3 days
I was just talking with the ex-FEMA type employee that I posted about yesterday and he said that the standard is that you personally are responsible for taking care of yourself the first three days. They can't expect themselves to feed/water/etc. everyone the next day or the day after that.

This is of course the FIFTH day after the hurricane (on the political slant) so they have run out of that excuse.

I just thought that you should know and that you should be prepared*.

*there have been several dicussions here by people in different areas of the country about how that really is a no brainer (tornados/hurricanes/earthquakes/etc) and how they have always been prepared.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:44 AM
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1. Absolutely
So, all you people on food stamps and living hand to mouth existences, make sure you lay in a three-day supply for yourselves and your families.

Give me a fucking break. How much more out of touch can these people be?
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:44 AM
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2. I think the folks in NO are being very responsible.
Looting Winn Dixie is what needed to be done. Most of the looters are distributing that stuff to others. Though I only heard Keith say it.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:44 AM
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3. How can they be responsible when they were searched before
they entered the Superdome and many have had their personal effects stolen while inside there?
What fucking asshats.
How can they be responsible when their goods are on the first or second floor and they are neck deep in water in their fucking attic??

Really...fuck these assclowns.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:45 AM
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4. Um, well . . .
. . . how does a person persally prepare when their house is destroyed and/or they have no access to their emergency supplies?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:46 AM
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5. I agree. BUT FUCKIN POOR PEOPLE LIVE DAY TO FUCKIN DAY!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:47 AM
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6. I know I know
I just wanted to state a fact. You did too.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:13 PM
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19. I wasn't aming it @ you UP. I'm just fuckin screaming now. I'm all
reasoned out. I gave it three days my damn-self and gave the Government time to get in. YESTERDAY I HIT THE FUCKING ROOF.

THEY ARE 2 fucking DAYS LATE!

I HATE THE FUCKIN BASTARDS.
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scarlett1 Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:57 AM
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15. And Pay day was at the End of the month
or the beginning of September. These People Couldn't get out. They didn't just refused they had no means to get out.

Why does Bush care More about the Iraqi's than the People, especially the poor, in the Gulf Coast and New Orleans? I don't know, but he does.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:14 PM
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20. Good point. Banks were closed.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:49 AM
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7. Except during an election year. Then it's 24 hours.
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 11:50 AM by FloridaPat
Oh, yeah, helps if you like in Florida at the time.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:52 AM
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Or your brother is the govenor of the state affected
He wasn't that fast in Ohio and PA last time they had problems (although he was faster with Ohio than he was with PA).
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:50 AM
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8. But even if they were 'prepared' thier stockpile of food and water
wouldn't have made it intact - I can see that theory during say an earthquake or something, but no amount of planning and stocking up on food would have mattered here.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:51 AM
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9. It sounds better to prepare for three days of looting and shooting...
instead of surviving until help comes. At least you'd eat.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:52 AM
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10. Please ask that person
how people stranded on rooftops and in attics are supposed to get food and water for three days. I'd like to know his response.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:52 AM
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11. When my neighborhood got hit by a tornado
Red Cross was here the next day. I guess FEMA didn't pass that 3 day delay memo to them. However we weren't under water and at that time my neighborhood was 80 percent white.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:53 AM
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12. and last summer
before the alleged "election", weren't the sacks of FEMA money on the ground before Ivan and Jeanne hit (Florida) land?

As KKKarl Rove has said in the past, "Fuck 'em. They didn't vote for us."
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:54 AM
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13. How can they take care of themselves?
Looting?

*ding ding ding*
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:55 AM
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14. Learn from others' misfortune
No, I'm not necessarily siding with the incompetent, but yes, right now, if you're able, start assembling a bucket of stuff that will tide you over for three or four days.

Include in your bucket (place it near a door in case you need to make a fast getaway) candles, matches, a flashlight with batteries, three liters of water per person who will depend on the bucket, a blanket, and some portable foodstuffs like Power Bars. Change the perishable items twice a year when you reset your clocks for daylight saving time. Consider getting one of those hand-crank emergency radios that don't require a battery.

If you get smacked directly by a natural disaster like the folks in New Orleans, then yes, you should be first in line for supplies and relief, and the first responders are there just for the people directly affected. But if you're on the periphery, where you're not clobbered by the flood or the storm or the earthquake, if you can be self-sufficient for three or four days, you will give the first responders some breathing room they will badly need.

Not counting the emergency radio, a survival bucket can be assembled for about $30-$35. By buying some stuff each month, most folks can have one assembled and ready by the end of November. It will cost between $15 and $20 annually to keep it current.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:58 AM
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16. Hmmm. Then why did the tsunami victims have food and water in 2 days?
Just askin'. :( AND, how the HELL are people suppose to be expected to take of themselves for 3 days when everything they own is blown away and they have no food or water?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:07 PM
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23. Some did.
Most did not. For many days after day 2 passed.

In addition, I think in many places the tsunami was easier to deal electricity, water treatment facilities (to the extent there were any in some of the places), or airports. Unless they were with a quarter mile to half mile of the beach.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:00 PM
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17. and here it is day 5
glad they have it all under control
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:01 PM
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18. EVEN AT THE SHELTERS?
Even at the places that you've been told are being opened to shelter you?

I call bullshit on that.

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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:34 PM
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21. yes, but....
I have a week's worth of water stored in case of an earthquake. BUT, if I'm not at home when the Big One hits, or if my house happens to collapse in the wrong direction and make it inaccessible, I'm SOL.

For all I know, many of the people stranded in NO had a few days worth of liquids or canned goods. But if these got contaminated, or floated away, what are they going to do?

FEMA seems to have forgotten that their an "emergency" service. No, they're not expected to provide gourmet meals for an indefinite time.
Yes, they're expected to have *water* and basic rations stashed around the country with plans to distribute it as soon as possible when it's desperately needed.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:39 PM
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22. But since they waited LONGER than 3 days, what difference does that
make?

The 3 day expectation might make some sense in that in many circumstances it might take that long for rescue workers to get you into a reasonable setting.

But since they didn't even START to help until now that is immaterial.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:17 PM
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24. That's what they told us, routinely, when we lived in LA.
It came in handy in Rochester during a particularly bad icestorm.

Having some 5-gallon containers of water available, putting away $20-40 of canned stuff and other emergency supplies ... not a huge problem. Esp. when spread over *years*.

And, lest people point out how wonderful my life was in LA, I qualified nicely for subsidized phone service, and found Blue Bus fare to be a fiscal hassle.

The stuff was waterproof. And if the building collapsed in such a way (in a quake) that my stuff was destroyed, if everybody did this it's very likely that stores would not be emptied of foodstuffs so quickly.
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