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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:00 PM
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OK if this thread is true then they did withhold aid until Bush got there
The question has been asked if aid was timed with Bush's visit. I just put two and teo together reading Minstrel Boy's thread. If the contents of that thread are true then they did indeed time it to coincide with Bush's visit. I do hope some investigative reporters will check out the source of this post.

This is criminal:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4578745
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:02 PM
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1. it's clearly waiting for Bush...How can there be harm to Nation Guard
who fight every damn day in Iraq...


Bush made a very serious error...Rove pushed this one into criminality
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:48 PM
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106. Cafferty spoke of this on CNN - anybody got the video link?
I left for awhile and am back, and promptly lost track of the thread in which I saw it.

Thank you in advance, and thank you anyway!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:58 PM
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108. Found it thanks to somebody here kicking that other thread back up.
And THANKS MUCH-MUCH-MUCH to whomever it was!

Vid Clip of Cafferty

Cafferty Sep 2
From DU thread:
HOLY SHIT CAFFERTY JUST STUNNED WOLF BLITZED
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4586563#4586604

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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:19 PM
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115. My 2 cents...
Last night on CNN, they played IN FULL the entire interview between the N.O. Mayor, Ray Nagin and a radio host Garland at WWL radio.

The exchange was HOT FURIOUS STRAIGHT FORWARD, with no mixing of words. The Mayor STAYED BEHIND, He was there the whole time. He WAS FURIOUS, ENRAGED about the lack of help. He laid it out PLAIN..

'NO MORE GODDAMNED PRESS CONFERENCES until people get off their asses and get into N.O.!!'

For CNN or any fucking cable (ratings) network to air this, IMO, had an IMPACT. It went out across the airwaves into every home who was tuned in. No more "hiding the real problem"... no more bullshit about guns and looting. I hope some of you can find the whole interview, it was STIRRING to say the least.

Secondly, FAUX (racist/classist) NEWS continued........EVEN TODAY on the drum beat of "armed gunmen" and the "danger" in going into N.O.!
There was an interview with an ambulance driver who said all the talk of "danger and armed gangs" FREAKED him out. He was afraid to go in.

So, I not only BLAME Bush, FEMA, HOMELAND, REDCROSS, and everyone else for believing this shit, I ALSO BLAME..you guessed it...THE MEDIA.

Those assholes FOMENTED a minor problem into a HUGE PROBLEM. I can't but wonder whether or not they were TOLD to keep pounding that drum FOR BUSHCO. I don't know but SOMETHING IS VERY FISHY and I believe that LAWSUITS SHOULD ENSUE...from the media all the way up to the highest government officials.

Yeah, bushit came and convoys came too. The convoys are "nice" but MREs??? WHERE'S THE RED CROSS WITH FRESH FRUIT AND ICE ETC.?

Whatever the help, it came far too late. THEN O'Liely started on a "Moral of the Story" mime that made me hit the friggin roof. What a BASTARD.

I am OUT OUT OUT RAGED.
:nuke:

$.02

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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:03 PM
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2. Of course.. he wants to ride into town on a big horse to save the day
IF anyone buys this shit they need to be shot.

I've had it with his pimps.. they can all go to hell.

:nuke:
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:05 PM
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4. Bush is afraid of horses... he rides bikes.
FYI
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:13 PM
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11. LOL
sorry I forgot he prefers trikes :D
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:19 PM
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13. Judging by his performance
he should be afraid of bikes.
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:51 PM
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54. Thanks
I needed that laugh today...

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:04 PM
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3. Yep, they can send people into mine fields in other countries,
but there isn't anyone in this country who can deal with the dangers of entering a hurrican ravaged city.

Lesson of the day: We're supposed to be "brave" only when we are told to.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:37 PM
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50. No, Americans are brave only when it
benefits corporate America and the stock market.

The poor are the real brave Americans because it is they who fight a daily war of survival in the rough jungles known as the USA.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:07 PM
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5. Stage-managed. Midday. On-camera. Pure political manipulation!
It's so obvious it'd make maggots vomit! :puke:
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:09 PM
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6. What took them so long? What took them so long?
Well I think we all know the answer to that now: they were waiting for Bush to show up. Shame he couldn't have gotten there earlier, it probably would have saved some lives.

Is someone going to try to tell me that it's a coincidence that the convoy of trucks arriving at the Superdome is happening at exactly the same moment Bush is hovering around in his helicopter?

They could have dropped food and water to these people by helicopter days ago. I can't quite believe what I'm seeing.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:11 PM
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7. I've gotta sign off..we're moving my office
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 12:12 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
can you get this to LA raw raw and see if she can get someone to check out the source and get it on Air America?
IF the source is accurate, although it isn't proof, it's enough to beg the question without it seeming entirely polical on our end.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:13 PM
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10. it it is the other way around. Rove arranged Jr's visit to coincided with
the Gurard moving in.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:15 PM
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12. It's BOTH. ANY timing involved BOTH.
If only for a matter of hours instead of days, it's the blatant exploitation of the dead, dying, and suffering for poltical exploitation. Timed to match the news cycle for maximum benefit. Midday with the sun high. On camera.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:23 PM
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19. Then why did they hold the trucks up?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:12 PM
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9. It's the epitome of Rovian. Timed for the news cameras. Midday.
There can't be any question about this. None. Whether they delayed the Chimp to match the convoy or (far more likely) the convoy to match the Chimp, it's the outright politicization on the backs of the dead and dying!!

If the Democrats don't hammer at this, they don't deserve to be a party.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:21 PM
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I was stunned watching * this morning.
All that kept going through my head was the Andy Kaufman skit "Here he comes to save the day". Do you remember that? Andy just stood there while the music played and then stood up straight and proud and sang along to "Here he comes to save the day".

* just sits back and waits for the right moment to try to shine. So much suffering in the meantime.

Unbelievable.

This is making me ill. Physically ill.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:49 PM
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28. Remember Jessica Lynch
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:14 PM
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36. Oh,
I just thought it was a coincidence. :eyes:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:21 PM
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116. No such thing as a
coincidence....I have been trying to think like Rove (which literally makes me ill), but I want to try to keep a step ahead of him. Will the gov't offer pennies on the dollar to the homeless of New Orleans for their property and then let the developers build 'a white man's paradise?'

And it seems like the rove wants an angry mob....a desperate mob so they justify jailing, killing, etc.

Any one else have any ideas on how rove might think?
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lulu Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:21 PM
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39. Their every move is political.
Has always been thus, and will always be, count on it.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #39
55. Exactly.
It's been their M.O.. Everyday, since day one.

:mad:
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:15 PM
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69. Earl, we should mobilize the activist core on this one - this is SO
important. We need to be emailing this en masse to reporters. It will take big numbers to get noticed in the midst of all this chaos but the story needs to be picked up WHILE IT IS FRESH.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:36 PM
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77. You won't believe the excuse someone gave me on another site
For why they haven't dropped food, but here it is:

This was in response to a question I had asked about dropping food in the same way it was dropped after the tsunami.

A food drop would cause widespread rioting right now....
and many people would die in the stampede. It's a sad, but simple fact that the mob mentality has taken over and people aren't thinking straight.

After the tsunami there wasn't widespread panic like this. I think because those were very poor people from a very poor country who didn't expect anyone to come and bail them out. Therefor they were more thankful for the help they received instead of complaining that it wasn't enough.

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:45 PM
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104. That is THE lamest most inaccurate excuse I've ever heard
I watched film footage of the food deliveries after the Tsunami and the people getting the supplies were like wild animals grabbing at stuff (not that I blame them that isn't my point)
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:13 AM
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121. Rove wrote that response.
No human being wrote it.

And if the food had been dropped before people were starving and dehydrating, there wouldn't be any panic.

Food drops might distribute the food unfairly, but at least some people would get food. This is no better than the FEMA excuse for not letting Red Cross go in. Giving them food would only make them want to stay there.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:12 PM
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8. i'm stunned
i don't want to beLieve it, but i don't doubt it.

:cry:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:20 PM
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14. It has to be... I don't see any trucks "drowning"...water was no problem
they were staged and prevented.....
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:30 PM
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47. NOT Stunned-they are Callous, greedy CRIMINALS that
SHOULD BE DRAGGED OUT OF D.C. TODAY
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:20 PM
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113. It scares me to think how I would like to see the American people
rise up and go all Louis XVI on their asses. These people are filth. I hope this is the end of them pawning themselves off as God's Own Holy Ones. (But I ain't holding my breath.)
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:21 PM
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15. BUT OF COURSE ma cherie: the Commander must be seen as
delivering the relief.
We're in a sadomasochistic regime and this is what it looks like.
I've been corresponding with a colleague of mine in Canada and this is our conversation which is apropros at this time:

I think 'Malevolent Neglect ' is appropriately descriptive.

From what I have observed, the organization of relief efforts is being based as much around optics and (in some cases) preferential treatment as anything. Eg. the commandeering of supplies to high-visibility (high media) areas. Eg. the timing of federal relief to coincide with the president's visit.

There is for sure something to be written about all this. The title in my head right now is 'The Cruel Society'.

From Robert Paterson http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/

"As he (Jared Diamond) said in an interview, 'in societies where the elites do not suffer from the consequences of their decisions, but can insulate themselves, the elite are more likely to pursue their short-term interests, even though that may be bad for the long-term interests of the society...'

"John Ralston Saul focuses on the risk of elites 'moving to Versailles' and isolating themselves from the realities of life of those they purport to serve. As I think of this idea, I look at the footage of New Orleans. Where is the Mayor? Where is the Governor? They are on a ship the Bataan. Who was left to fend for themselves? "

-- S

hammondmv@netzero.net wrote:
S: Thanks for your feedback. Long post with pick ups around. If you run across info re: this, pass it to me, would you? thanks, marsha.

I'm trying to map out a social psychology / crowds/ power phenomenon.....using statements reflecting reality as much as I can tell, to illuminate a phenomenon. It 'looks like' Malevolent Neglect to me, at least closest phrase I can come up with so far that is appropriately descriptive.

Supplies (no water) in hospitals being commandered by National Guard; looting---and in order to control crowds who are dying from lack of supplies, crowd control mechanisms being shipped
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:24 PM
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20. So, koan here: How do you stick it to Don Carlenoe (that mob guy):
...this is all agitprop.
Sit in Rove's head. Of course, the relief was held up. Now the Savior can deliver the goods and the Repugs get in lock step.
Now, don't get mad: get something else...I'm thinking here and this is a pretty fast moving train and will pick up speed now.
What's the tragedy now that the Don has begun to pick up the pieces...help me here, people who see what's up...

So, shall we continue, ad infinitem to doc the hold up of the relief? maybe...
What else can we do that the Don will not expect? some kind of kiss of death....(don't know my mob stories well enough)...
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:21 PM
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16. It is impossible to be cynical enough for this bunch.
Photo-opping a natural disaster. Amazing.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:25 PM
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21. Yes but what can be used from that?...some pieces of that photo op?
.....thinking back to how Bush's turkey was shown to be plastic. ...stuff like that.
Must keep media focused here.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:31 PM
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48. THEY don't care what Americans think of them-he's the dictator
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:23 PM
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17. Nothing has been more obvious to me than the timing
and if people have gone without food, water and medical help to create a photo op for this President, it is more than criminal negligence. It's mass murder.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:23 PM
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18. Remember this? Bush was originally to depart later this afternoon
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 12:43 PM by leftchick
then all of the sudden he is off first thing this morning. And Bam there is bush and there are the supplies arriving on split/screen. Perfect coordination! It amazes me that I continually underestimate their evilness.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:26 PM
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22. So can anyone tell me why
when I made a thread about this yesterday, that they were witholding the food and water on purpose that it got deleted? There was nothing bad in the thread, all responses were positive, yet I was told many threads with this subject were taboo and being deleted. Why today is it all of a sudden on the front page?
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:49 PM
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29. It's the anti-conspiracy conspiracy
You have to have two layers of tinfoil around here sometimes...one for "them" and one for "us."
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:33 PM
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23. THIS IS A HUGE DEAL. THIS CRIMINALITY MUST BE CALLED OUT TO THE MEDIA!!!!
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:46 PM
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24. Just the whole image
that it takes the military to deliver water and food is bad enough.

That they have to wait for Bush is too much. I'm going to be sick.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:46 PM
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25. wimpy the chimp
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: \
thats what I think of this elaborate ruse. people at death door waiting a photo op with a monkey acting as president. What have we become? All hat and no cattle, now that really puts it where it is. All show and no do. Yeeeechhhhh. Time for revolution. Thats all thats left.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:48 PM
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26. On a much smaller scale, this is exactly what happened in Florida in 2004
during that hurricane season with four major storms right before the national election. Brother Jebbie kept hundreds of people waiting on line in the hot sun waiting for ice and water until his brother His Fraudulency could arrive and pose for a photo op giving it out to the hurricane victims. People were furious about it at the time, they had to wait for the ice until our fearless leader could be assured of a political photo opportunity showing him as a 'compassionate conservative.' This is just more of the same. Of course they timed Bush's visit to happen at the same time as the relief supplies and forces arrived. Question is, will it be believed this time or have people finally, finally, had their eyes opened about the criminal negligence (deliberate or accidental?) and malice of this administration once and for all?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:48 PM
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27. CNN.com provides the answer....
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:00 PM
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34. Pictures are worth a 1,000 words!
This is murder pure and simple!
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GlenP Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:12 PM
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35. Yay!!!!!
Wow! I'm voting for Bush next time!

I can't BELIEVE his great compassion. Amazing. What a godly godly man. He MUST be Jesus.

Oh wait, 2 terms. Damn, guess we'll have to change THAT real quick. Or... I suppose we could just vote for Jeb!

:eyes:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Welcome to DU GlenP
It's been a weird ride so far and it doesn't appear to be letting up any time soon.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:12 PM
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66. Remember the Reagan inauguration/Iran hostage release on split screen?
Think about it...


With the regional hospitals wondering why all the incoming patients were not arriving,

With rescuers laden with supplies being TURNED AWAY from N.O. yesterday,

With the NG holding up MRE's last night (heard on the scanner) because they were waiting on "orders to come down",

With out-of-state rescuers from Virginia being turned back because they didn't have "authorization" to proceed to N. O.,

With the accounts I read here last night about marine vessels loaded with personnel and supplies waiting in the harbor last night and were not allowed into the city,


I do not doubt for a nanosecond that all of the helicopters and convoys rolling into the city this morning, at the exact moment on the split screen with the coward hugging a storm victim, was pure, unadulterated political orchestration.


There will be a heavy, heavy price for George W. Bush.


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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:37 PM
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94. There will be a heavy,
heavy price for George W. Bush.

There are times that this agnostic wishes there were a God!

But just one more reason not to believe, in *'s god at least!

Any God I could accept would not allow * to do the things he has done and is doing.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #27
79. Are those people related to Condi?
She is originally from that area. And they seemed to be acting on cue.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 04:07 PM
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95. This is so fucking blatant...you would have to be so overdosed
on the koolaid not to see this, that picture proves it was fucking staged! This old broad is fucking pissed! Its is an outrage, CRIMINAL!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:22 PM
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110. RiF's splitscreen:
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 10:49 PM
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118. KICK!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING KICK IT!!!!!!!!!!!
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 10:50 PM
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119. KICK IT SOME FUCKING MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its all in the photo: the phone
mother fucker, pusillanimous, WHITE, pervert, dick-head.
I'm over the local newspaper to post long strings of:
WHERE IS OUR GODDAM COVERAGE YOU MOTHERFUCKERS?????????????
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:52 PM
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30. kicked and nom.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:54 PM
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31. It took 5 days for aid to come after Andrew in S.FL without major flooding
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:18 AM
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122. No it didn't. nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:58 PM
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32. Supplies were being withheld,...until today. Why?
:shrug:
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:00 PM
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33. For this:
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 01:00 PM by ehrnst
The photo ops - thank you CNN. I hope this was worth the death of hundreds.

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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:25 PM
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42. When I saw him with those women I thought "Stockholm Syndrome"
There's no way they weren't carefully interviewed before his visit to make sure they'd be appropriately grateful for his presence--surely 99% of the people in New Orleans in their situation would have been up in his grill screaming "Why have we been stranded here for more than FOUR DAYS?"
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:26 PM
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43. Yep.
But they wait to show this pic on another screen...

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:01 PM
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88. No -- the photo ops were merely opportunistic
The delays were much more sinister than that. MUCH more. They were caught by a media that kept speaking and showing the truth and had to either abandon or modify their plans and let people and supplies in, but took the occasion to have photo ops to go with it.

When you come right down to it, Bush is little more than a stage prop, isn't he?
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 10:51 PM
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120. Don't you fucking get it? THIS IS ALL PLANNED:
You can map Bush's plans out if you can see Rove's pieces on the board:
First of all, BushCo are a cabal of narcissists. they have no regard for anyone else. GET THAT. If you fully realize that you can anticipate a good bit of their activity.

Rove put the chess pieces on the board: defunding Army Corps of Engineers driving the concerned City of N.O. people to beg for money to fix the levee. Can't be found: too much or Repub donors won't give. They're on high ground anyway.

3 cities in US mapped as being 'nightmares to be realized.' Which one has the most poor black people? : N.O. that one will be sacrificed. Pieces in place.

Act of God. Yes, we perceive that others will now think that we have fucked up when in fact this has been planned as re: MALEVOLENT NEGLECT. Allo looting to begin (expected: and it will be black people: get rid of some Dem voters while we're at it). (drumming fingers...waiting...waiting): NOW, is the time to send out the National Guard. Must create excuses: helicopters could not fly that low, etc. Timing's everything...drumming fingers...waiting, waiting....

Call up that CNN crew would you? Shut down the mike of the N.O. mayor: he's served our purposes. OK: Hit it boys: NG tanks roll into N.O. as Bush touches down.

Pure Reagan.

So: what's next? To shut down the media as much re: what has already taken place re: this perception that we screwed up by defunding Army Corps of Engineers re: fixing that levee.

See?

Get in Rove's head: you don't have to stay there: its pretty ugly but you can stand it if you know that if you can anticipate them, you can outsmart them

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:17 PM
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37. Greg Palast, white courtesy phone...
Will Greg Palast please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Brrrrinnng... Brrrrinnnggg....
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:42 PM
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81. From my inbox email from Palast
BUSH STRAFES NEW ORLEANS
WHERE IS OUR HUEY LONG?
by Greg Palast

Friday, September 2, 2005
The National Public Radio news anchor was so excited I thought she'd piss on herself: the President of the United had flown his plane down to 1700 feet to get a better look at the flood damage! And there was a photo of our Commander-in-Chief taken looking out the window. He looked very serious and concerned.

That was yesterday. Today he played golf. No kidding.

I'm sure the people of New Orleans would have liked to show their appreciation for the official Presidential photo-strafing, but their surface-to-air missiles were wet.

There is nothing new under the sun. In 1927, a Republican President had his photo taken as the Mississippi rolled over New Orleans. Calvin Coolidge, "a little fat man with a notebook in his hand," promised to rebuild the state. He didn't. Instead, he left to play golf with Ken Lay or the Ken Lay railroad baron equivalent of his day.

In 1927, the Democratic Party had died and was awaiting burial. As depression approached, the coma-Dems, like Franklin Roosevelt, called for balancing the budget.

Then, as the waters rose, one politician finally said, roughly, "Screw this! They're lying! The President's lying! The rich fat cats that are drowning you will do it again and again and again. They lead you into imperialist wars for profit, they take away your schools and your hope and when you complain, they blame Blacks and Jews and immigrants. Then they push your kids under. I say, Kick'm in the ass and take your rightful share!"

Huey Long laid out a plan: a progressive income tax, real money for education, public works to rebuild Louisiana and America, an end to wars for empire, and an end to financial oligarchy. The waters receded, the anger did not, and Huey "Kingfish" Long was elected Governor of Louisiana in 1928.

At the time, Louisiana schools were free, but not the textbooks. Governor Long taxed Big Oil to pay for the books. Rockefeller's oil companies refused pay the textbook tax, so Long ordered the National Guard to seize Standard Oil's fields in the Delta.

Huey Long was called a "demagogue" and a "dictator." Of course. Because it was Huey Long who established the concept that a government of the people must protect the people, school, house, and feed them and give every man or woman a job who needs one.

Government, he said, "We The People," not plutocrats nor Halliburtons, must build bridges and levies to keep the waters from rising over our heads. All we had to do was share the nation's wealth we created as a nation. But that meant facing down what he called the "concentrations of monopoly power" to finance the needs of the public.

In other words, Huey Long founded the modern Democratic Party. Franklin Roosevelt and the party establishment, scared senseless of Long's ineluctable march to the White House, adopted his program, called it the New Deal, and later The New Frontier and the Great Society.

America and the party prospered.

America could use a Democratic Party again and there's a rumor it's alive -- somewhere.

And now is the moment, as it was in '27. As the bodies float in the streets of New Orleans, now is not the time for the Democrats to shirk and slink away, bleating they can't "politicize" this avoidable disaster.

Seventy-six years ago this week, Huey Long was shot down, assassinated at the age of 43. But the legacy of his combat remains, from Social Security to veterans' mortgage loans.

There is no such thing as a "natural" disaster. Hurricanes happen, but death comes from official neglect, from tax cuts for the rich that cut the heart out of public protection. The corpses in the street are victims of a class war in which only one side has a general.

Where is our Huey Long? America needs just one Kingfish to stand up and say that our nation must rid itself of the scarecrow with the idiot chuckle, who has left America broken and in danger while he plays tinker-toy Napoleon on other continents.

I realize that the middle of rising flood is a hell of a bad time to give Democrats swimming lessons; but it's act up now or we all go under.


**********
A pedagogical note: As I travel around the USA, I'm just horrified at America's stubborn historical amnesia. Americans, as Sam Cooke said, don't know squat about history. We don't learn the names of a nation's capitol until the 82d Airborne lands there. And it doesn't count if you've watched a Ken Burns documentary on PBS.

I suggest starting with this: read "Huey Long" by the late historian Harry T. Williams. If you want to ease into it, get the Randy Newman album based on it (Good Old Boys) with the song, "Louisiana 1927." Listen to part of the song at www.GregPalast.com Do NOT watch the crappy right-wing agit-prop film, "Huey Long," by Ken Burns.


Greg Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. Subscribe to his commentaries or view his investigative reports for BBC Television at www.GregPalast.com
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:23 PM
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40. By the way, Is there any doubt those victims were handpicked.
No way the SS would have let any unknown people just hop right up & hug W
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:24 PM
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41. Too much of a coincidence.
Why not in the middle of the night? Why wait until when Bush arrives? This is sickening.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:28 PM
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44. criminal that they waited for Bush and criminal that he took so long
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:28 PM
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45. A news anchor from LA returned-said aid WAS NOT getting
to the people and he saw STOCKPILES of food and water-near NG/Police areas-holding areas. BUT THESE ESSENTIALS WERE NOT BEING DISTRIBUTED.
bush's #'s are shit--he desperately needs a photo op and an CONVOY of AID coming in after he makes his half-ass assessment (this morning).
This administration are so way off the meter from disgusting.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:29 PM
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46. Remember Jessica Lynch, Tillman
Nothing is not manipulated for political effect with these people.
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GlenP Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:34 PM
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49. CNN Poll

Ha! Well Karl Rove knows one thing with the average American, THIS stuff works.

As of this post, since the posting of the Bush kissy photo-op, the CNN poll question "Has President Bush done enough to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina? " has gone from No-80% Yes-20%, to No-79% Yes-21% . It will probably get better.

Now if ONLY CNN had waited for the photo op to put up that poll question, Bush could be at a good 50% (or more) believing he's done enough to help the victims. "Hey he DID kiss that woman, and organize the bringing in of all those supplies, which he personally delivered."

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GlenP Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:46 PM
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51. Cynical Captions

Maybe this photo would be good for a caption contest.

Here's my cynical entry:

"Oooo PresiKing Bush, we LOVE you so much. Yes we may be poor, disenfranchised Louisianians who you REALLY f--ked over here, but we're as red as you and the republican party in our hatred of homos. MmmmmH I could just eat you up! Thank you for protecting us from what's REALLY important."

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AbbyR Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:48 PM
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52. I really really don't want to believe this
But I do. I guess that makes me just another one of the conspiracy theorists.

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:49 PM
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53. NYTimes:"Troops Arrive in New Orleans After Bush Says Relief Results Are '
unacceptable"

Get it-- Bush spoke and they answered his call!

He really does care!

:barf:

On the other hand, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE FUCKING SAY SOMETHING EARLIER???????????
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BlueStatesForever Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:53 PM
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56. It's possible
That caravans were necessary for safety. Still, the caravans of busses definitely provided a nice photo op, now didn't they.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:55 PM
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57. Let's see Bush flies over-NG shows up
Bush visits food shows up

Nah nothing there
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:56 PM
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58. The timing is TOO perfect -- that is obvious, as is the criminality of ...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:00 PM
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59. It's hard hard work
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:00 PM
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60. This is fucking unbelievable
I'm unable to express how maddening this is! I'm appalled, yet again, that that man is the president.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:02 PM
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61. It's BEYOND Criminal, There Are No Adequate Words To Describe
the vileness of these creatures.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:11 PM
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64. no. there are no words to fully describe the inhumanity that has been
going on.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:04 PM
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62. NSMA: Harry Connick Jr was on the Today Show this morning...
... he eluded that supplies weren't making it in from Baton Rouge.

He said, "It took me an hour to drive to New Orleans with water. There are supplies in Baton Rouge and they are not bringing them to the people."

He was cracking, shaken, furious that supplies weren't coming through.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:13 PM
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67. That is an excellent lead Jen
I hope more people make a huge issue of this. I have to believe any of the guard that realize what was going on will come forward.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:10 PM
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63. FEMA turned away doctors - police at stateline...read
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:11 PM
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65. thank you cthrumatrix!
That's just... there are no words. None.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:39 PM
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80. more than welcome
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:15 PM
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68. CNN coverage
I just posted this e-mail to CNN:

I found Bush's photo-op kissing the girl in New Orleans appalling. The fact that you put it on your home page is no less disgusting.
Why didn't he arrange a photo-op to pull a dead body out of the water?
Put an investigative journalist on the story to determine just how "coincidental" it was that Bush showed up at the same time as the relief convoy.
This administration is criminal in its callous disregard of human life and completely incompetent in its management of the disaster relief effort, not to say anything about their utter contempt for the environment and safety of New Orleans with their disregard for the
integrity of the levees over the last 5 years.
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volitionx Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:18 PM
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70. BUSH IS PURE EVIL...
Naturally Bush's visit was timed with relief shipments.

I'm sure Rove was up to it.

After all, Bush was in CALIFORNIA right before and during the storm. You know, playing golf, playing guitar, cutting a cake, etc.

So he goes all the fucking way back to D.C. to do his Rose Garden bullshit conference before dilly-dallying and then going to N.O.

Why didn't the pigfucker just go to N.O. FROM CALIFORNIA!???

I also heard that during the aftermath, Condi Rice was spotted shopping for $1,000 shoes in NYC or somewhere out east. A woman started berating her, and Condi called the Secret Service on the woman and had her removed.

Good thing Bush saw the devastation from his own PERSONAL 747. All he was seeing was the economic damage, and that's assuming he even cared about _that_, which I'm sure he didn't.

It's all photo-ops, all politics, all the time.

Bush kissing that girl made me want to PUKE. Hitler kissed babies. It's all propaganda.

Even conservative rags like the Washington Times are pissed off about the Fed's response to Katrina...

IMPEACH THIS EVIL FUCKER RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:19 PM
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71. It's more than just PR, deeper more evil purpose...race wars
...blame the unrest on ALL poor blacks still in New Orleans even though actual disruptions were by some gangs, frustrated individuals and renegade groups who were seeking relief. It would not surprise me at all that KKKarl Rove in his Machiavellian mindset planned the whole thing by issuing the specific instructions to neo-con operatives in the city to round up the poorest and most powerless and immobile center city poor, place them in unsupervised Super-dome and Convention center.

The further direction would be sealing them in with armed guards then withholding medical aid, food, drinking water, dry clothing etc until tensions reached the breakpoint, then pitting armed militia against frustrated victims and directing neo-con talk show extremists and MSM to report the events as center city terrorists and drug addicts/criminal gangs as resisting all help in order to loot.

The mayhem and chaos that would predictable result from such treatment would then have to be dealt with my extreme measures with armed National guard units directed to shoot looters and disruptor's on site, just like we saw in UK this past July.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:19 PM
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72. Wow.
I too hope this will be investigated.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:20 PM
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73. Here's one question I have
All 10 blocks of those buses sitting there lined up nicely for the photo op...

WERE those buses FILLED with water and food LAST NIGHT when they were "arranged" for the photo op. I KNOW they weren't there yesterday.

If they brought those in EMPTY then Bush STARVED those people for a photo shoot.

Get Harry Conick together with the NG refusal to let anyone in or out to help, and the refusal Tuesday to allow "foreign" help in (didn't want them sucking up the Bush atmosphere)..

To me That is simple proof right there. All I need.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:21 PM
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74. Troops arrived right before his visit
When they should have been there when the storm hit.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:24 PM
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75. Bush. Wants. Them. To. Die.
He sat with a child's book while people jumped from burning buildings.

He rode his bike, played golf, ate cake, and continued to try to destroy social security while the whole frigging world watched a hurricane form, take aim, destroy an entire region of the Nation, and kill untold thousands of people and left thousands living in sewage, many for the last hours of their life.

And, he still does nothing but smile and tell folk to send some cash, if they can.

GET IT.

BUSH. WANTS. THEM. TO. DIE.

And, he'll let his developer buddies and oil buddies build expensive condos and repair and expand their refineries but he will DO NOTHING FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR WHOM HAVE LOST EVERYTHING.

Maybe this picture -- along with the oh, so, too, perfectly, timed photo-op with the 'hope convoy' -- will make it even clearer:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4571410&mesg_id=4584652

When will America see this criminal for the mass murderer, gleeful torturer, raging imperialist that he is?

When?


Maybe today, those who couldn't stomach the message in this thread, yesterday, are a bit more prepared to see if for what it is - the truth.


Peace.

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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:36 PM
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102. My 17 year old daughter said this is genocide.
My daughter is smarter than me and she views this as purposeful racist genocide. I did not want to agree with her but I fear she may be correct.
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volitionx Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:28 PM
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76. NO ACCOUNTABILITY, ANYWHERE
It's supposed to be the President's job to be ACCOUNTABLE. If he's not fucking accountable, who the fuck is?

He's supposed to be at the top of the totem pole, so he gets the blame when there's a failure of leadership. He is supposed to LEAD.

He can say "oh, I'm pretty unhappy with the relief efforts" but the jackass is the PRESIDENT, and it's HIS FUCKING FAULT. He can't pass the buck to ANYONE. Who is supposed to have more pull than the president? Nobody.

He doesn't care about these people because they're BLACK.

He KNEW THE HURRICANE WAS COMING, HE KNEW WHEN, HE KNEW WHERE.

He continued to fuck around on his vacation.

HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THESE PEOPLE.

And many Americans who otherwise supported his lying ass are getting PISSED OFF.

This will haunt the Repubs and neo-cons for YEARS, especially leading up to the 2006 mid-terms.

I mean, they're sending ONE hospital ship from BALTIMORE, on SUNDAY! Uh, that's a little too late, you fucking assholes!

This is what you get with a fascist in office. And his buddies in FEMA have no fucking clue what they're doing. I heard on the MSM today the interview with Mr. Brown, head of FEMA, who didn't know about the situation with the Convention Center until WAY after the MSM reported on it, and the anchor interviewing him called him on it.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:37 PM
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78. Jack Cafferty on the coinkydinky convoy, Georgie boy photo-op
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:47 PM
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83. I think Cafferty has had a transformative event this week. Good on him.
This is what redemption looks like.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:45 PM
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82. Jack Cafferty seems to think so...
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 02:47 PM by NightOwwl
Just heard him say on CNN:

"Do you suppose Wolf, that the arrival of the relief convoys and the political photo-ops on the Gulf Coast happening at the very same time were a coincidence today?"

:wow:
I am asolutely stunned that he put into words what many of us have been thinking.

eta: understandinglife...I see I'm not the only one who noticed his remarkable comment. :hi:


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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:08 PM
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90. Wpw. I started looking at CNN when I heard through clips on AAR
that he was speaking the truth. I missed this one. Good for Cafferty.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:50 PM
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84. * is a murderer
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:12 PM
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111. * is a murderer...
* is scum,
* is a psychopath,
* is filth.
Maybe we'll all get lucky and he'll get cancer.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:53 PM
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85. Now the bogus shooting stories make sence. This is pure evil. I
thought that when I heard the stories of rescue choppers being shot at that it did not make any sence...unless you ask.."Who profits"?
Bush was whe only one I could think of. Yesterday a rep from Charity Hospital said that there had been no gunshots, no breakins..etc! It is all a lie!
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:55 PM
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86. Of course they did. With below 40% rating, they need another 9/11
moment.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:00 PM
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87. And NOW they change their minds about accepting foreign help
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1747205

People are dying by the hundreds just so that idiot
could play savior.
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nitamd Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:03 PM
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89. The timing is ridiculous...
But Bush is not off the hook here. There are people dying on buses. Too many old people and children have died from starvation and dehydration. Now Americans who were transported to Houston now have to once again camp out in the hot sun near the Astrodome. This federal response to this crisis will be criticized for years to come! Even Bush own words guarantee this because he said the federal response is "unacceptable". Black leaders are pissed. Even world leaders are surprized by the lackluster response to this desperate people and poor planning. There is to much the Federal govenment didn't do and it has not gone unnoticed.

Bush's next test: deal with displaced, unemployed American and rebuild New Orleans. No easy tasks for someone who governs poorly and spins everything under the sun. Can't wait for Faranheit 8/26!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:13 PM
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91. It's one of Karl Rove's Perception Management ploys ...
it will make it look like things got better because Bush was smart and knew what was needed and fixed it.
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GlenP Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:18 PM
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92. Getting better

Bush's kissy photo-op and perfectly timed (for him) aid arrival has bumped bush's CNN web poll rating up to 23% from the original 20%.

If they can keep various images of Bush swaggering around New Orleans for the rest of the day, they can probably get that number markedly higher.

Despite the grinning and giggling.



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LoneDriver Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 03:26 PM
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93. I just hope it was the other way around
That is Bush timed his visit to coincide with the arrival of aid. I hope and believe that a conspiracy to do the other would be impossible to maintain.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 04:14 PM
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96. KICK
kicking...
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 04:18 PM
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97. That is total appalling racism, these people deserve to be kicked.
I've never seen such racism in my life and from what I've seen of FEMA, for now and always

:puke:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 04:41 PM
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98. Alerting the media locally

I live in The San Francisco Bay area. I spent an hour calling local media.

KRON has a wonderful man answering the phone in their newsroom. His name is Tom Newton. (If you wanna call and report things there the number is 415 561 8000)

He said that all morning long, people in the black community have been calling in saying that the lack of relief and aid to New Orleans is deliberate. And that they are furious.

I invited him to our website. He was very sympathetic to remarks that are being made.

Five days after a catastrophe - no relief except for what is handed out at a press conference. Outrageous. Criminal.

But then that maybe why folks like Mike Malloy call them "The Bush Crime Family."

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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:28 PM
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99. it's rove like....now he get people's attention off of cindy...n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:35 PM
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100. I was watching streaming video of two TV broadcast today as bu$h arrived
one station was covering bu$h arrival and the other showed the Military trucks as they started to roll into the city.
I was pissed and saw it for what it was, they staged the whole fucking thing. All for the opportunity to day I brought you aid.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:36 PM
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101. Letting American citizens rot in the street for a photo op?
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 05:37 PM by jsamuel
unbelievable...

but that is what the events say...
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:41 PM
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103. I agree 100%
It was freakin PR Job, its too much of a coincidence, look at the split screens the networks had, Bush giving a speech/aid arriving.

Both the arriving of Bushy in New Orleans and the arriving of Aid was planned for the same time.

We were had by the MSM for the first few days, they were showing all what was happening, just to show things getting better when Bushy arrived.
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emrenz Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:47 PM
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105. DEATH FOLLOWS THE BUSH PRESIDENCY
I'm willing to bet that more Americans have died during the Bush presidency than any president since Vietnam.

Can anyone confirm this?
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emrenz Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:03 PM
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109. Hannity says...
...we are GHOULS for politicizing this. He said, our criticism of the president's response to this national tragedy is the most deplorable thing he's ever seen or heard. This idiot truly believes we should support the shrub no matter how terribly he does, for the good of the American people. How does responding to Dubya's repeated obvious blunders with "good job" help the American people in any way? How does that make him a more effective leader? It is our hope that through this criticism that he'll see what a terrible job he's doing and maybe, just maybe, do a little better.

Hannity also read many of the criticisms of the president on his show but rather than defend any of the accusations, he again debased those that criticized him. That's so typical.
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Falalalalala Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:50 PM
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107. timely tip to Governor Blanco
Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that President Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:15 PM
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112. Barbara? George H.W.? Sorry to have to tell you this,
but your son is human garbage. You shoulda let him play in traffic more often.
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zwielicht Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:33 PM
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114. neworleans.indymedia.org has a lot of info on that
but has been down for a few hours now
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:45 PM
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117. Please! Someone give * a sword to fall on -- QUICK
and please-please-please-please let there be a news crew on hand when he does. Then maybe they'll leave him by an overpass in NO for a couple of days until the next photo op convoy comes it. You're filth, georgie boy -- do the honorable thing.
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PeacePal Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:45 PM
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123. Here's HOW to drop food, but corpses don't need jobs, healthcare!
I was wondering HOW we got the food drops into the Middle East, so I did some googling, cutting, and pasting.

Here’s a collection of snips from military and government websites (links included)
Addressing the US’s ability to deliver humanitarian aid

1. From Defense Logistic’s Website:
A discussion of U.S.’s ability, experience, and procedures to deliver
humanitarian aid

Another great tool used in Operation Iraqi Freedom is the DLA contingency
support team (DCST). A DCST is a total force package of active duty and Reserve
component military personnel and civilians assigned to DLA from all of the
services. DCSTs deploy to the theater of operations
and work closely with the logistics planners there. They are the main logistics
cell in theater, deployed to help expedite sustainment
requirements. In April <2003>, DLA
had more than 70 people in the Iraqi theater of operations, about 30 percent of
whom were Army personnel.

As the fighting winds down, DLA's support mission in Iraq
has not ended. In addition to providing full-service logistics; 100 percent of
fuel, protective clothing, and medical supplies; and nearly all of the
construction material critical to force protection, DLA also is performing a critical role in
humanitarian assistance to Iraqi citizens.

DLA procures and stores humanitarian daily rations (HDRs)
for the Department of State and ships them to the region as required. In March,
DLA already had delivered to the region over 2.4 million HDRs,
enough food to feed the entire population of St. Paul, Minnesota, 3 meals a day for 8 days. One
HDR is designed to feed one refugee for an entire day.
HDRs are used to feed refugees until they reach a refugee camp.

DLA will continue to support
humanitarian relief until nongovernmental aid can assume the mission. DLA
also has gained responsibility for cleaning up the battlefields, including
removing equipment, debris, and hazardous materials. Source:
http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/JulAug03/DLA_log_Backbone.htm

2. From Tuft’s University:

As the United States began its military campaign in Afghanistan
to oust the Taliban and capture al Qaeda leaders in
October 2001, they began a near-simultaneous program to air drop thousands of
HDRs to Afghan civilians daily. Between October 7 and October 24, 2001, DOD dropped an
unprecedented 821,880 HDRs over Afghanistan.
55 Years of drought, failed crops and economic isolation had left the
country facing a potentially devastating food crisis. WFP estimated the drought
affected rural population to be between four and six million.
Source:
>http://fletcher.tufts.edu/research/2003/BenjaminSklaver.pdf

3. From United Nations Nutrition
Committee
Source: http://www.unsystem.org/scn/Publications/RNIS/countries/afghanistan_all.htm

During the military strikes, the United States has been dropping
interim food relief, in the form of humanitarian daily rations (HDR)
packets. 37,500 were dropped on October 7 and another 37,500 on
October 8. The HDR packets are an interim measure, until adequate
humanitarian relief can be delivered. As Counselor to the President
Karen Hughes said in a news conference on October 8, we are going to
be clearing the way so we can deliver humanitarian relief.

4. From Department of State Website
Timeline: the dates show how quickly we’ve planned and executed in the past.
We’ve had YEARS for Homeland Security and FEMA to plan

September 30, 2001:
Administration officials announced that $100 million had been authorized for
the relief of Afghan refugees, and that a covert program of support for
opposition groups in Afghanistan
had been approved.
On various Sunday television news programs, Secretary of Defense <span
Rumsfeld, Attorney General Ashcroft, and White House Chief
of Staff Andrew H. Card, Jr. warned that terrorist groups eventually might
attack the United States
with chemical or biological weapons.

-snip-

October
4, 2001:
In a speech at the State Department, President Bush announced an additional
$320 million in humanitarian aid to Afghanistan.
He said the coalition against terrorism was strong since it was not a religious
war but war between good and evil;

-snip-

Rumsfeld then went to Cairo to discuss Egypt’s
role in the anti-terrorist coalition. He said that relief supplies might be
air-dropped into Afghanistan.

-snip-

October 7, 2001
U.S. and British forces attacked Taliban military targets throughout Afghanistan
with bombers and cruise missiles. The thirty targets included airfields, air
defense systems, terrorist training camps, and troop concentrations facing Northern
Alliance forces. President Bush announced the strikes from the
White House Treaty Room at 1 p.m.
Eastern Time, and said that he had consulted with Congressional leaders the day
before.

-snip-

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and
Gen. Richard B. Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, added that relief
supplies would be air-dropped into Afghanistan,
and that there would be radio broadcasts and leaflet drops to encourage
defections from the Taliban. Rumsfeld spoke of
cooperation with the Northern Alliance, and Gen. Myers
hinted that covert operations were in progress in Afghanistan.

Source: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5889.htm

5. From Rand National
Defense Research Institute: Note the short response time

One of the most visible forms of early assistance by the U.S.
military was the airdrop of humanitarian daily rations (HDRs)
throughout Afghanistan.
These drops began the same day the fighting did, October7, 2001.

Source: http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2004/RAND_MG212.pdf


6. From Vought Aircraft Industries Website: describes the equipment
we used back then – mega-dollars spent on it – where
was it this week?

On this, see also DU’er LunaSea’s post http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4602869

17 GLOBEMASTER III AIRLIFTER

Fact Sheet
The U.S. Air Force C 17 Globemaster III <span
airlifter is designed to fulfill global airlift needs for
many years. It can carry large combat equipment and troops or humanitarian aid
directly to small austere airfields anywhere in the world. Vought
is the largest structures subcontractor to Boeing on the C-17, performing work
at sites in Dallas, Texas, Milledgeville, Ga., and Brea, Calif.

In the Field
The C-17 program began in 1983, making its maiden flight on
Sept. 15, 1991.

-snip-

It has supported numerous contingency operations, including
flying troops and equipment to Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation Joint
Endeavor for peacekeeping efforts in Bosnia, and the Allied Force Operation in
Kosovo. The C-17 fleet is being use dextensively to support the war on terrorism.
They have been responsible for the airdrop of more than 2.4 million
humanitarian daily rations to refugees in Afghanistan, in addition
to moving troops and heavy equipment, and carrying other supplies
such as blankets and bulk food. In other humanitarian missions, C-17s delivered
hurricane relief supplies to Honduras and Nicaragua.

-snip-

U.S. Air Force Contracts
On May 31, 1996, Boeing and the Air Force signed a seven-year $14.2 billion
contract to build the next 80 C-17s, starting in 1997, with final deliveries in
2004. With the 40 aircraft previously on contract, the additional buy brought
the Air Force C-17 fleet to 120. In addition to the original 120 aircraft,
Boeing and the Air Force signed a follow-on procurement contract in August 2002
for 60 more aircraft. Thus, the C-17 fleet will number 180 aircraft by 2008.

Capabilities
The C-17 is a high-wing, four-engine, T-tailed aircraft with a rear-loading
ramp. The aircraft is 174 feet long, 55.08 feet high and has a wingspan of
169.75 feet. Maximum payload is 170,000 pounds (about twice that of a C-141B)

With a payload of 160,000 pounds, thenC-17 can take off from a runway of
7,600 feet, fly 2,400 nautical miles, and land on a small austere airfield in
3,000 feet or less

-snip-

Combined with the advanced thrust reversers, propulsive lift enables short landings.
The thrust reversers are an integral part of the C-17 nacelle. When thrust reversal is
initiated, both fan and core exhausts are redirected. Thrust is directed
forward and upward through exposed louvers for maximum reverse thrust. During
ground operations, the thrust reversers can be deployed with engines idling,
directing engine blast away from personnel working cargo.

-snip-

Vought Milestones
In July 1997, Boeing and Vought signed a memorandum
of agreement -- valued at $1.9 billion -- for production of major components
for 80 additional C-17s over a six-year period. The agreement covers fiscal
years 1997-2002 with deliveries continuing into early 2004.

In March 2002, Boeing and Vought signed another
agreement to produce components for 60 additional C-17 aircraft. <b
The contract for follow-on aircraft, beyond
the current delivery of 120 aircraft is valued at $1.1 billion. Work on
this program will extend C-17 manufacturing at the Dallas and Milledgeville
facilities through the year 2008, and the Brea
facility through 2007.

In 2002, Vought celebrated delivery of its 100th shipset for the
C-17. The finished aircraft rolled out of its hangar in Long Beach
Calif., in October and was delivered to the U.S.Air Force
Source: http://www.voughtaircraft.com/newsFactGallery/factsheets/docs/C17_0803.doc

On the same topic, see also http://www.quartermaster.army.mil/oqmg/Professional_Bulletin/2002/Autumn02/Task_Force_Rigger_Airdrop_Support_for_Operation_Enduring_Freedom.htm


7. From Defense
Security Cooperation Agency: what we could have dropped in the US
Gulf, if we’d been prepared.

NEWS RELEASE
Date: 11 October 2001
Over 100,000 Humanitarian Daily Rations Airdropped to Afghans;
8 Million Distributed Globally Since 1993

(Washington, D.C.)
The Department of Defense relief effort in Central Asia
has passed a significant milestone. More than 100,000 Humanitarian Daily
Rations (HDR) have been distributed to Afghan refugees in support of Operation
Enduring Freedom.

“The HDR is a nutritious and convenient form of aid which can be delivered
anywhere the US Government can get to” said Michael
Ritchie, the head of DSCA’s Humanitarian Affairs and
Demining Program. “The HDR is acceptable to all cultures.
It has a proven track record of alleviating starvation and misery all over the
world.”

The HDR was first produced in 1993. The Department of Defense devised it after
extensive consultation with a wide variety of expert sources, to include the
World Food Program, the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of
Agriculture. One ration will provide 2300 calories to a refugee, the total
daily requirement. The rations are entirely meat-free, and thus are culturally
acceptable to people all over the world. HDRs are
designed to be fully digestible by people who are
suffering the effects of malnutrition.


The HDR can be eaten without heating or
without adding any water. It is shelf-stabilized, and does not require any
special refrigeration or handling. It can either be delivered as conventional
freight, or can be airdropped to people scattered in remote regions. “The HDR
is an effective ration to ward off starvation until bulk food can be delivered
said Ritchie. “It can be delivered in a variety of ways and consumed without
any preparation.”

Since 1993, over 8 million HDRs have been distributed
to refugees and disaster victims around the world. These refugees have been in
over 20 countries, to include Bosnia,
Cuba, Haiti,
Rwanda and Iraq.
More information on the makeup of the HDR can be found on the internet at<span

http://www.dscp.dla.mil/subs/rations/meals/hdr.htm
Source: http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressReleases/hdrs.pdf
On the web: http://www.dsca.osd.mil/
Media/Public Contact: (703) 601-3670

8. From the White House Website:
Pre-invasion planning for delivering of aid to Mid-Eastern gulf – couldn’t we
have used Dept of Homeland Security do the same for OUR gulf?

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
February 24, 2003 Briefing
on Humanitarian Reconstruction Issues, 3:40 P.M. EST

(Compiler’s Note: March 19, 2003 was the first day of Operation Iraqi Freedom)

MR. ESKEW: Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Tucker Eskew,
Director of the White House Office of Global Communications; thank you for
joining us this afternoon.

-snip-

MR. ABRAMS: We go into a situation where we recognize that
military action in Iraq,
if it is necessary, could have adverse humanitarian consequences. And we've
been planning, therefore, over the last several months, an inter-agency effort
to prevent or at least to mitigate any such consequences.

-snip-

the strategy we have for humanitarian
relief has six key principles, and I think you've got those before you. The
first is to try to minimize the displacement and the damage to the
infrastructure and the disruption of services. And the military campaign
planning has had -- has been tailored to try to do that, to try to minimize the
impact on civilian populations.
We have what is called the humanitarian mapping program, in which the U.S.
military has gone to very great lengths to work with humanitarian
organizations, international agencies to locate humanitarian sites, key
infrastructure, cultural and historical sites, and to protect them to extent
that that's possible.

-snip-

Second principle, to rely primarily on
civilian relief agencies. And civilian agencies and personnel are in the
lead in all the coordinating and planning that we've been doing for about --
I'd say about four months. As a kind of offshoot of the deputies committee,
Robin Cleveland and I have co-chaired an interagency group that has been doing
this relief and reconstruction planning.
We want to rely primarily on civilian international
organizations, which is the standard practice in situations like this:
U.N. agencies; NGOs; other governments and their civilian agencies. OFDA, the
Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance, and the Refugee Bureau at State, PRM,
have been meeting with representatives of the international aid community for
several months now.

These organizations -- the U.N. agencies, the NGOs -- have enormous expertise
and capacity. And we're going to try to facilitate and fund their efforts to
the greatest extent possible.

-snip-

The role of the U.S.
military is not to take a lead role in humanitarian relief activities. It is to
facilitate early secure access, to create a humanitarian space, to provide
information for U.S. civilian teams -- civilian relief agencies -- to fulfill their
humanitarian mandates. There will probably be circumstances where there is no U.N.
agency or NGO or civilian capability of any kind at a very early moment if conflict
happens. And there, the military may be actually required to provide limited
relief because there's no alternative. And with the guidance and assistance of
USG civilian relief experts, they'll have to do that. We're going to anticipate
that any such period would be short, and that civilian relief agencies would be
able to get into those areas quickly.

Third principle, effective civil military coordination.
We have been training and preparing a 60-person DART team, disaster assistance
response team, which is really about the largest we've ever had. And it would
enter liberated areas of Iraq in coordination with U.S. military forces, to,
first of all, make an assessment of what are the -- what is the humanitarian situation,
to coordinate then U.S. government relief activities that try to resolve
whatever problems there are. They will be capable of immediate, in the field
grant making. And their job is also liaison with the military, other donors,
NGOs, international organizations.

The DART itself is made up of professionals in the field of humanitarian
emergencies from several U.S.
civilian agencies. And we'll have -- there will be a number of DART teams in
the field. Andrew Natsios can say more about that.
There are other coordination structures, humanitarian operations centers and
civil military operation centers, being established in the region with the
cooperation of several neighboring governments.

-snip-

Fourth principle,
facilitating IO and NGO operations. We will provide civilian experts to
be the liaison with international organizations and NGOs, and to support and
staff these coordination centers -- the humanitarian operation center in Kuwait
and the civil military operation centers -- so that they are -- this is a
customary pattern for NGOs and international organizations to work with the
civilian side of U.S. government and they'll continue to do that.

And one of the things that our civilians can do by their own connection with
the U.S. military is to provide information about access to particular geographical
locations, security in those areas, and information about the populations in
those areas that the U.S. military may have found. The DART staff is the primary
contact for international organizations and NGOs in the field.

We've given money, we have provided funding to relief
agencies so that they can plan, hire staff and pre-position supplies.

-snip-

Fifth, pre-positioning U.S.
government relief supplies and response mechanisms. We have been stockpiling
blankets, water, ladders, shelter supplies, medicines, other relief items at
this point to serve about a million people -- the material in question worth
about $12 million. And we're trying to forward-deploy those stockpiles into the
region. One example, there are 46, 40-foot long containers of relief supplies
en route to warehouses in the Gulf. We are stockpiling and pre-positioning humanitarian
daily rations. You may remember those from Afghanistan and previous situations.
This is a ration for one person for one day-- the equivalent in calories of
three meals. And we're getting up to about 3 million of those pre-positioned.

And we are preparing to undertake immediate rehabilitation and reconstruction
efforts to deliver essential services to the Iraqi people. And that means
critical infrastructure, health facilities, water and
sanitation systems. And electricity is key in all of
those.

Finally, sixth, support the resumption of the ration-distribution system.
Compiler’s Note: Oil for Food Distribution; That's
a very important item. We want to disrupt that system as little as possible,
and get it back on its feet as soon as possible.

-snip-

MR. NATSIOS: I'm Andrew Natsios from AID. Let me
first mention that this planning exercise has been going on now since late
September. So I've been involved in emergency response now for almost 14 years.
We have never had nearly five months advance time before a major emergency,
should it happen. And so the amount of time that has gone into <span
this, and the amount of staff that has gone into this has
been enormous within AID, and the interagency process.

There are 60 people from the DART team, which comes out of the Office of
Foreign Disaster Assistance, which I headed in the first Bush administration.
There is staff from Gene Dewey's office and the Refugee Office in the State
Department, and the Public Health Service in HHS are on that team, as well.

There are another 140 people working in AID who are technical staff back in Washington,
on the planning exercises necessary to make sure all of this happens the way
it's supposed to. And the areas that we focus on are first those basic humanitarian
requirements that keep people alive and reduce human suffering in any emergency.
One is health and medicine, the second is water and sanitation, which are critical issues

-snip -
Third is food and nutrition. Fourth is
shelter. And a fifth is to internally displaced people and, of course, there
could be refugee movements, as well, cross border.

And so the amount of time, the amount of preparation,
the amount of planning we've done, the amount of staff
working on this has been very substantial.
I might also add that this is not new -- working with the military in conflicts
is something that the U.S. government has been doing for a very long time,
since even before the end of the Cold War. You may recall that we had a
refugee emergency with about a million Kurds up in the mountains in northern Iraq.
There was civil affairs units and military units, AID
sent its largest DART team at that time -- in 1991, of 30 people -- that was
sent in to work the relief effort there.

We've been in Bosnia and Macedonia and Kosovo, in Haiti, in Panama -- after
Noriega. You can go through a list of instances where this has happened before.
So this is not a new thing. It's been done before. The mechanisms for coordination
within the international institutions have actually been established, they've been
tested and they do work, I have to tell you. They've been refined. There are manuals
on how the inter-connection between the NGOs, U.N. agencies, the ICRC, military
operations and the DART team works in these emergencies. And that is a very important
thing because, once again, we're not testing something that's new here.

-snip-

The team will also do assessments, rapid assessments to
determine what is needed. We do planning based on scenario building. But the
reality is on the ground that you always have to actually see what's happened.
And the assessments are then done and then decisions are made about the
disposition of relief commodities and resources.

So I think we're in good shape, in terms of the effort that we've put into this
exercise, given the amount of time that we've had to think through it. <b
I might also add, we don't know what's
going to happen, but contingency planning is what this all about. Whenever we
see something may happen, we try to plan for it. Thank you.

MR. ABRAMS: Thanks. Gene, I think you're next. Gene Dewey is Assistant
Secretary of State for Population, Refugees, and Migration.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY DEWEY: The center of
gravity of the humanitarian effort is the multilateral system. And that's the
case for several reasons. One, the U.N. agencies have been in country for a
long time, for years and years. They have systems set up. And they have systems
that are particularly appropriate for emergency action.
For example, for the water sector, which is always the most critical
sector, the system for that which works best, which is recognized as best, is
UNICEF working with NGOs such as Oxfam-UK and other NGOs with the expertise in
water. There are other systems for immunization, systems for food distribution.
So this is another reason.

-snip-

Basically the functions of our bureau will be to help make coordination work. Our core
expertise is the multilateral system. We'll do our best to make the
humanitarian operation center and the civil military operations
centers just that, civil military and not military operations centers.
And we'll be doing our best to bridge those cultures between the civilians and
the military, planners and implementers if implementation becomes necessary.

-snip-

MR. ABRAMS: Thanks. Dr. Joseph Collins is Deputy Secretary of Defense for
Stability Operations. Joe.
DR. COLLINS: Thanks. Elliott, I came here prepared to say ten things. All of
them have been said twice, so let me repeat only about seven of them for the
third time.
If the President orders military action, the Department of Defense is prepared
for military contingencies, but it's also prepared to support humanitarian
relief during combat and to support reconstruction efforts after combat.

Some of the key things that we are able to do in those areas have been
mentioned. The first, humanitarian mapping and careful
targeting to avoid excessive damage to the civilian population.
Secondly, during the combat phase the Department of Defense is ready to assist
AID and State in providing humanitarian relief to the people of Iraq.

Thirdly, and if necessary, DOD is readyto provide special services and supplies,
such as the famous humanitarian daily rations.

-snip-

Q I have two questions of the briefers. How many
refugees are you planning for? How many IDPs? How many
DART teams, and where will they go?

MR. NATSIOS: Well, just in terms of the number of DART teams, there is one
large team of 60 people that we'll divide into three sub-units. There will be a
core headquarters that will control all of the operations. So there will be
three teams that will be dispatched to different parts of the country.
I think we're planning for about 2 million, as I recall, internally displaced
people and refugees.

Return to this article at:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030224-11.html

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