WDSU reporting that had levees been reinforced it would not have mattered.

[Ladyhawk]

They haven't said why just yet. I'm curious about this.

http://www.wdsu.com/video/4926042/detail.html

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Has the spin begun?

[Ladyhawk]

6. I don't know. I shifted over to Malloy.

I want to hear what WDSU claims, though.

Also, it doesn't change the fact that the sandbags weren't dropped to try to repair the levee.

[NYC]

2. That doesn't change the fact that the government did not show up

with water.

And it doesn't explain why the people in Mississippi, where the water receded quickly, were not given water promptly.

[Ladyhawk]

8. Word.

I just want to know what they have to say. :shrug: It could be true...could be spin.

[NYC]

25. It could also be unknown for certain.

However, it should not be used as an excuse for the lack of response from the federal government.

(Like Bush's who could conceive that the levees would fail. Probably stolen from Rice's who could conceive that people would fly planes into buildings.)

The levees were not properly maintained and reinforced. That's true whether or not they would have held through this storm. And, at the very least, you should make the effort, not just shrug your shoulders and say it won't work, anyway.

Furthermore, if it was thought the levees wouldn't hold, why weren't emergency services assembled and ready?

I guess this can't be used as an excuse no matter what.

[Ladyhawk]

26. You've got that right. I'm simply stunned by the number of fuck-ups. n/t

[spuddonna]

3. I'm sure it has to do with Intelligent Design... n/t

[Marr]

4. Must be cool to be able to view alternate realities, eh?

How do they know reinforcing the levee would not have helped? Sounds like pure conjecture to me.

[Ladyhawk]

7. *Shrug* I have no idea what they're going to say.

Someone who watches, let me know. I'm listening to Malloy. I can't watch the WDSU feed and listen to Malloy at the same time.

[Ladyhawk]

13. Maybe. I don't know what their case is, yet.

I'm willing to listen to new info, but as many have said, this doesn't change the fact that relief to the area was slow, slow, slow to arrive. Has it arrived yet???? :shrug:

[Splatter Phoenix]

O.o and in another reality...

That senator Mary woman lost it and screamed "FUCK YOU BUSHIT" really loudly on national TV. ._. I wish I'd taped that, but the VCRs in other universes aren't compatable with ours. Le sigh.

[Marr]

18. They use a different voltage in most of them anyway.

And at least 30% of them speak only French. Dunno what to make of that.

[Tin Man]

5. must be evidence that levees were "overtopped" by waters -eom

[Ladyhawk]

9. Maybe. The levees still breached after the surge, though.

At least, I think so. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[BeFree]

15. A truism

"If you push something hard enough, it will fall over."

The levees were pushed hard enough, of that there is no doubt. What is questionable is whether or not, as b**h said: "No one imagined it could happen", or is it the truth that it was imagined?

They knew it could happen, and FEMA, et al, should have been 'Johnny on the Spot' with help, when it did get breeched. They should have been able to keep the pumps working.... the pumps are CoE, a federal agency, under the emergency control of FEMA, or at least Homeland Security. Whatever, it was a Federal problem, and the Feds screwed up.

They should have had boats ready to travel on Monday. They should have had emergency plans ready to roll as breeches developed. They should have done a lot of things, but they didn't do anything.

It was a miserable failure.

[Ladyhawk]

20. Yep. Of course they should have known. It was common knowledge. n/t

[Ms. Clio]

10. first levee may have been breached around 2 or 3 AM Monday morning

There didn't seem to be much flooding before that happened.

[Ladyhawk]

12. That was way after the surge, correct? n/t

[Ms. Clio]

14. First official report came at 11:15 a.m. --- long after the surge

[BeFree]

16. There was flooding on Monday.

As the storm hit, parts of the levee on the river were breeched. That would have been Monday morning. Then, on Monday night, the breech on the lake began. It seems the breech on the lake was the one that caused New Orleans to flood like it did.

[Ms. Clio]

17. Yes, that sounds right n/t

[Igel]

22. Tuesday.

And one news source (not really official) claimed rumors of a levee break at 9:20+ am, and reported the break at 11:30 or so Monday monring.

The main reporting had it breaking very late Monday night or early Tuesday morning.

[Ladyhawk]

11. Someone who is watching WDSU still...let me know what they say. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

19. Yes....Anything to get Bush off of some of the hook...again

And the CIA was blamed for 9/11 because the 9/11 commission appointed by Bush said it was :eyes:

[Ladyhawk]

21. Yep, could be spin. I'm just curious about what will be said. n/t

[Igel]

23. The quick and easy answer is that they were to be reinforced to

withstand a category 3 hurricane.

Katrine was apparently a category 4, but not incredibly strong at the time, and not dead on-center.

Reports are also that the repair work had been done on the levees that failed. I'm not quite sure about that. One DUer (for other reasons) actually cited an article telling about how the contractor said he was hurrying up to finish the work on one of the levees that subsequently failed, without the article ever saying that the work was completed.

[Perky]

24. Even if they had held the street would still be flloded...

coo much eater got pushed into the ponch tha it had overlow the levies. an people also forget that the pumps dailed. Didn't they?

[NYC]

27. The #6 pump failed because the levee had been breached.

That was what had the mayor complaining on the radio/television asking what had become of the helicopter that was supposed to sandbag. He tried desperately to reach the White House.

By around 6:15 p.m., the pump stopped working. Because of that, the flood would fill New Orleans.