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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:16 AM
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What is so hard about this for the Right to understand?
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:17 AM by MadAsHellNewYorker
We are hearing that the Federal gov't shouldn't provide aid to people. That its America's private citizens who should open their wallets to pay for this disaster. That this "response" is somehow OK--leaving Americans to die for 5 days is just alright, they are trying now :eyes:

What is so hard about "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" for Conservatives to understand? (Declaration of Independence)

Conservatives seem to forget what a government is supposed to provide: "Justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare..." (The Constitution of the USA)

CONSERVATIVES JUST DON'T SEEM TO GET IT!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:19 AM
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1. And never will
until it happens to them. Their brains are on scramble.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:20 AM
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3. Its worse then scramble
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:30 AM by MadAsHellNewYorker
its a mental defect. I do not understand how they can yuk it up while their fellow americans die in AMERICA!!!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:20 AM
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2. Give me a break!
If that is their attitude, then let the public of Iraq help themselves and get our kids the hell out of there!

If they want us to fend for ourselves then they need to stop giving funds to other countries when they experience disaster! Good GOD! What a bunch of fecal elimination orifices!!
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:21 AM
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5. What Hypocrazy!
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:27 AM by MadAsHellNewYorker
these poeple are scum. Its ok to waste 200 million tax dollars a day in a war with no goal, but not ok to give tax money to AMERICANS who paid those taxes in the first place!
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:20 AM
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4. And we SHOULD provide aid for military invasions of other countries??
Isn't this week's justification for Iraq that we are helping (also known
as giving aid to) the people of Iraq?

Bush-enablers so crazy!

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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:23 AM
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7. its am getting angrier and angrier
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:23 AM by MadAsHellNewYorker
how dare these people say its ok to aid military ventures abroad, but the have a problem with using gov't money to fund disaster relief. I pay my takes so my govt would take care of me in this situation, not ship my tax money off to their offshore accounts and cronies in business :grr:
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poppet Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:22 AM
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6. Isn't it even worse than this ...
The federal government didn't just fail to respond - didn't it keep private individuals and organizations from getting in to help?
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:24 AM
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9. Its treasonous and a Dereliction of Duty for the whole GOVT
they should all be impeached and imprisoned.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:23 AM
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8. these people lack the all important quality of empathy
and most of them are racists at heart (though they will adamantly & defensively deny it)
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:25 AM
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10. worse then racists
they hate anyone who is different skin, religion, sexuality....anyone who takes the first amendment to heart really.

It makes me so angry.

How are you doing sundoggie? :hi: :hug:
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:34 AM
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11. I wrote the same thing but deleted it .......
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:41 AM by Historic NY
in a reply to some so-call Repuke friends they were circulating an e-mail. We must be thinking alike as N.Y'ers.


their e-mail:
It's Bush's fault that they built that stinking city below the levels of the Mississippi River, Lake Ponchatrane and the Gulf of Mexico. It's all his fault that those crooked Southern politicians had absolutely NO evacuation plan. And it's all The President's fault that thousands of those lazy primates ignored the mandatory evacuation order.

my responce:

I just love the way you circulate general statements. You all know New Orleans was built over 300 hundred years ago. Most of them southern politicians you mention are Republican if I recall, the south is mostly red states. Yeah they are greedy bastards. You call the people lazy primates....thats real nice, I see that as compassionate conservatism. Of course if you spent some time away from the Faux News network which spouts GOP talking points you might realize a lots of these people are old, sick, and for the most part decent human beings on the low social scale of society. They all weren't looting. It was funny the media portrayed a black boy with bread, water and diapers as being a looter and a white boy as liberating necessities. It was spread all over the news until it was pointed out that it was pure racism and the photos were yanked by AP along with permissions to continue using them.

I blame it on the culture of greed.....fat cat connected politico's that insisted on developing surrounding wetlands. I blame it on an inept FEMA administration that George Bush put in place. He did away with the Clinton administrations Disaster Mitigation Program put in place after hurricane Andrew of 1992.. He discontinued funding for levee reconstruction that was within 20% of completion. He discontinued funding wetland protection. He sure didn't make the hurricane but decided not to heed the warnings of the advancing Cat. 5 hurricane that was to hit the Gulf coast. He apparently decided eating cake with McCain and Strumming a guitar were more important than heading back to DC to take command of what is now the worst storm to hit the US.

Louisiana begged for help on Sunday Aug 28th but Bush went about his merry way. The State sent him a written request to have assistance in place but it went on a deaf ear. It reminds me of "Reading My Pet Goat" when planes were taking out the towers in N.Y. Its now being spun he had no knowledge.....who the fuck briefs him???? Just in case you don't believe it here is the state memo sent. read below.

Today Bush admits he fucked up....well I want the heads of Michael Brown & Michael Chertoff on spits.....2 of the most incompetent hacks even to disgrace the offices they serve. If Bush can't insure this country & its people survive a natural disaster, do you really think he can against a terrorist attack. Homeland Security is a joke, there is none its a phony as a Hollywood sound stage. Multiple agencies merged under the most bloated and expansive growth of government in decades. The funny thing is these agencies still work against each other.

You say its the peoples fault for not leaving.....how do poor blacks who work low wage jobs afford to get out of the city if transportation is not provided. There was not enough bus's there to do the job or the National Guard to assist (we send them to Iraq with equipment). FEMA was well aware of this but did nothing. Even rich tourists are just getting out after hotels paid for bus's to come and get them. At this very moment FEMA is still consistently fucking up, refusing the Red Cross entry. They are afraid that if the Red Cross goes in with supplies the people will not leave. There appears to be more concern over property being looted than life in general. Danny Hastert would be happy if they burned the whole fucking city down. (Another half wit clown) .

So yup the responsibility for this entire mess lies straight at the top, its leadership and our ship of state is w/o a leader who can lead. You can say he delegated, well that doesn't wash he should have been at the helm not continuing to enjoy his vacation. George Bush failed his Constitutional Oath, and failed miserably. (where I deleted almost word for word what you said)

I guess people don't care about black folks in N.O. or Mississippi, 2 of the poorest states in the nation. This is a major stain on this nation and time is not going to heal it. When all the finger pointing is over, it will boil down to massive incompetence. A failure of biblical proportions of our Federal Government.

I hope we see some resignations & indictments because this is a massive failure...you never saw it in rich Florida where old Jebby was when hurricanes hit.

http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

Think what you will.........the truth will come out and you can't blame Bill Clinton for this one. He fixed the problem with FEMA after Bush 41 fucked up with Andrew in 1992.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:37 AM
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12. That is an amazing response to that "great line" of repuke thinking
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:37 AM by MadAsHellNewYorker
:yourock:

and its not just us NYers who think this: Its americans who understand what america is supposed to be.

:hi:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:46 AM
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13. Cowards. They're AFRAID to "get it."
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:51 AM by TahitiNut
Even when I look within myself, I'd far, far rather believe it's not so. I'd rather believe this was unavoidable. I'd almost rather stick my head in the sand. I can't - no more than I can, in good conscience, not face the boogelman under the bed. Only by facing our fears do we avoid even GREATER fears - real ones.

It's cowardice. It's evading the foreseen sense of helplessness. It's failing to admit an error - which is the hallmark of stupidity. It's one thing to be ignorant - and yet another to defend that ignorance by evading learning.

It's the same reasons so many flee to the false refuge of a perversion of 'faith' - not a 'faith' that give courage and strength, but a perverted 'faith' that's a poor substitute for learning and educating one's self. The fear of being 'wrong' is why they call themselves 'right.'
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:56 AM
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16. that should be a new slogan
"The Fear of being 'wrong' is why they call themselves 'Right'"

good stuff!
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:53 AM
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14. That's what they call "personal responsibility".
It does not extend to their cronies, who expect to receive lots of taxpayer money in the form of subsidies and government contracts. They also expect regular people- the people practicing "personal responsibility", to offer up their lives in the cause of securing oil wells and other "vital US interests" whenever their stock portfolios demand it.

The federal government seems to have no particular responsibility at all, beyond redistributing wealth upwards.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:58 AM
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18. its great we have to have personal responsibility
what about corporate responsibility? or government responsibility? the govt is infuriating me right now. They let this situation get to this point.

DERELICTION OF DUTY! :grr:
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:54 AM
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15. But, but, you're arguing against greedy, self centered, capitalism....
What kind of country would we be if we started worrying about how others live, unless they're gay and want to get married or a woman who wants an abortion?
The government is there to selectively involve itself in people's lives. Isn't that what freedom is all about?
Where is my box of Fruit Loops?
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:58 AM
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20. LMAO!
i need that this morning! :hi:
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:56 AM
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17. I'm betting a lot of them in the storm's path ....
are learning the value of helping one's brother.

In my experience, the one who cry "self-sufficiency" are the first ones to cry for help when THEY need it.

I hope a few right-wingers are learning a lesson from all of this, but the power of corporate propaganda is real. The propagandists will twist this to tell the wingers that they are absolutely correct and the problems are all the fault of liberals.

I have the perfect program for right-wingers who hate taxes and government. I have the perfect place for them to live - a literal right-wingers paradise. No taxes, no government, no concern for your fellow man. This right-wing paradise is called:

SOMALIA

THE RIGHT-WING WANTS TO TURN AMERICA INTO SOMALIA AND THEY ARE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:00 AM
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21. thats another good meme!
What do Conservative base their vision of a perfect America on?
SOMALIA!

:yourock:
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:27 AM
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23. Plus, you can have as many guns as you want.
No scary federal government threatening to take away your guns.

Grenades, machine guns, land mines, roket launchers.

Somlia is truly the land of right-wing freedoms and I don't understand why right-wingers don't all get on a big fucking boat and move there. :shrug:

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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:20 PM
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24. can we forcibly send them there?
:evilgrin:
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:58 AM
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19. Democrats care.
Republicans are proud of the fact that they don't.

It's that simple.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:00 AM
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22. Its sick but its true
:(
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:40 PM
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25. Nazis can't think coherently or logically.
They apparently aren't able to grasp the concept that giving aid to American citizens is nothing more than taxpaying citizens getting their tax money back.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:43 PM
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26. they are sick.
id like to see this happen to them and hear them scream and beg for aid...
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:44 PM
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27. Because they are unfeeling, cold, cruel, selfish, racist pigs.
And they're finally being exposed for all the world to see.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:45 PM
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28. It only took 20 some odd years
:grr:
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