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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:44 AM
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NOLA 2005 = Ireland 1847??
Found an interesting BBC article on the Irish potato famine. There are some parallels with the disaster in New Orleans:

It was a natural disaster made worse by government inaction:

The Great Famine in Ireland began as a natural catastrophe of extraordinary magnitude, but its effects were severely worsened by the actions and inactions of the Whig government, headed by Lord John Russell in the crucial years from 1846 to 1852.


The prevailing political ideology of the English ruling party idealized laissez-faire capitalism. Relief efforts were seen as creating an unhealthy dependency on the starving Irish, violating the notion that individuals should be self sufficient and dependent on their own efforts, never to rely on government aid:

Laissez-faire, the reigning economic orthodoxy of the day, held that there should be as little government interference with the economy as possible. Under this doctrine, stopping the export of Irish grain was an unacceptable policy alternative, and it was therefore firmly rejected in London, though there were some British relief officials in Ireland who gave contrary advice.

The influence of the doctrine of laissez-faire may also be seen in two other decisions. The first was the decision to terminate the soup-kitchen scheme in September 1847 after only six months of operation. The idea of feeding directly a large proportion of the Irish population violated all of the Whigs' cherished notions of how government and society should function. The other decision was the refusal of the government to undertake any large scheme of assisted emigration. The Irish viceroy actually proposed in this fashion to sweep the western province of Connacht clean of as many as 400,000 pauper smallholders too poor to emigrate on their own. But the majority of Whig cabinet ministers saw little need to spend public money accelerating a process that was already going on 'privately' at a great rate.

Finally, the Irish were believed to have brought the famine on themselves as a consequence of their moral deficiencies:

Finally, we come to 'moralism'-the notion that the fundamental defects from which the Irish suffered were moral rather than financial. Educated Britons of this era saw serious defects in the Irish 'national character'-disorder or violence, filth, laziness, and worst of all, a lack of self-reliance. This amounted to a kind of racial or cultural stereotyping. The Irish had to be taught to stand on their own feet and to unlearn their dependence on government.


See:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/state/nations/famine_01.shtml
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:45 AM
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1. I was just writing this in a paper for school the other day
There certainly does seem to be a lot of parallels.

:mad:
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:46 AM
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2. Exactly, I was thinking about this too
lately. The British government let the Irish die in the name of free markets!!!
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:48 AM
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3. they didn't have tanks and M16's in 1847 if memory serves.....
:evilfrown:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:50 AM
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4. It's happened before



some will NEVER forget
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:51 AM
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5. Irish potato famine
= genocide ...

:grr:

:kick:

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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:57 AM
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8. 100% correct n/t
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:52 AM
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6. Great post. Same shit, different century. nt
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:55 AM
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7. not quite...Homeland Security 2005......
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:59 AM
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9. H2O Man had a great post about this same topic yesterday
I think both of you are right.

Just think how pretty New Orleans will be when they rebuild everything with cutsie up-scale housing.

Plus they won't need to build any public housing if they kill off all the poor people.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:04 AM
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10. There is NOTHING laissez-faire about 'Laissez-faire Economics.'
It's a blatant falsehood - a lie. The economics of 'ownership' is wholly founded on entitlements - titles conferred and enforced by force of government. Whether it be Lord or Landlord, such titles exist solely by force, force of government or an armed security force. This is why they were called "robber barons." In a (so-called) democratic society, this is a social contract. Government's sole legitimacy in enforcing an entitlement is the Public Interest. This is true whether we're talking about patents and intellectual property or productive capacity. When, under the false dichotomy of 'Laissez-faire Economics,' we abdicate assurance of behavior in the continued public interest, we reenter the Age of Monarchs where the sole recourse is bloody revolution.
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