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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:47 PM
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One thing's for sure: the issue of class is now on the table.
It is simply unacceptable now for any liberal politician to skirt issues of class when talking about their platforms. The people who were left behind in New Orleans to die were the poorest of the poor in this nation. Most of them were already leading desperate lives, living in squalid neighborhoods with abysmal crime rates. They were often malnourished and attended some of the worst-run public schools in any urban center in the country.

For any of what happened to New Orleans to have any meaning, we must insist our elected representatives ask how a society with as much wealth as we have could have so many people living in abject poverty. It is not enough that we criticize the government for their feeble response to the hurricane. If we are to do the people of New Orleans justice, we must ask why the poor are so poor. We must challenge society's belief that the poor have all somehow deserved their fates, that everyone in a ghetto in this nation is some kind of "welfare queen" who leeches off the federal government.

For too long, we have been willing to let the Republican party define the issues relating to poverty. There have been far too few Democrats who argued strongly for a more equitable society and defended the programs that help the poor. If we do not push these issues now in the public sphere, then we have failed poor person in the Gulf who died because they couldn't afford to leave the danger zones.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:49 PM
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1. You either read my mind
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:04 PM
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2. Amen. And quit dividing the poor by drawing racial lines. n/t
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Tyranny_R_US Donating Member (988 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:05 PM
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4. YEAH! When it happens to blacks don't call it racism! (n/t)
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:10 PM
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6. What do you mean by your remark?
Please make it absolutely clear.
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Tyranny_R_US Donating Member (988 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:15 PM
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7. Okay let me try again except I'll type sloooower....
When... clearcut... racism... happens... to... blacks... there... is... always... someone... denying... that... it... exists.... its... not... the... first... time... I've... observed... this... un...der...stand?
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:19 PM
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8. OK. NO must also have a wealthy black group. Where are
they? Safe and sound?

It's about being poor.
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Tyranny_R_US Donating Member (988 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:32 PM
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9. WTF is wrong with you just because they are black your automaticly
assume they are poor, it might be a suprise to you but alot of those people pay taxes,work, own homes,cars, etc I wouldnt call that "poor" but that doesnt matter to Bush or anyone else.

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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:52 PM
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12. No, I don't make such an assumption. Over and over I've
read that the people trapped in NO are the poorest of poor. I see the discrimination to be against the POOR, and not necessarily against a specific race. Why do you see it differently?

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:08 PM
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14. The reason I see it differently is...
In America, RACE TRUMPS EVERYTHING. Race trumps class but if you're white, that is a truth that will escape you.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:22 PM
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15. Would there be more gained by fighting a class war than
a race war? (Probably not the best wording.)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:45 PM
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16. The two are inextricably tied.
Ever wonder why the Black Caucus is the ONLY GROUP standing up for what Americans claim to be their "core values?"
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:25 PM
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17. No. There are poor from all races.
(Not to take away from the plight of blacks.)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:11 PM
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18. And poor whites in NOLA
are being subjected to the same dehumanizing conditions. But think for a minute. If those folks stranded on the overpass (ARE THEY STILL FUCKIN' THERE?) had been overwhelmingly WHITE, would all the helicopters accompanying the *dauphin for his photo op have remained idle behind him rather than having been immediately dispatched to rescue AMERICAN CITIZENS who had NO FOOD OR WATER for 5 days while exposed to the elements?
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:45 PM
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19. I don't think it would have made any difference. The man
is an unfeeling monster. I think he intended to let the situation sink into civil unrest then swoop in as the Saviour.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:54 PM
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20. You are obviously white and young.
But in essence we agree.

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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:59 PM
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21. Born into extreme poverty. Grew up in an institution.
Married well, but never forgot what it was like to have absolutely nothing and be treated like dirt for it.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:38 PM
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11. And quit minimizing the issue of racism by pretending it's just about
class.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 02:04 PM
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13. Look, I have no desire to get in a verbal war with you or anyone
else for that matter and I don't deny there is racism everywhere against all races.

How much of it is due to insufficient money?
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:04 PM
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3. It would be interesting to see
timelines of all the recent hurricanes matched up day by day. And, they wealth of the area attached to those timelines.

zalinda
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:08 PM
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5. Class warfare indeed (revised from yesterday):
The evidence Bush's indifference to New Orleans was an intentional expression of policy becomes conclusive when it is examined from the perspective of class-struggle. What occurred in New Orleans -- what is occurring there now -- is methodically deliberate genocide-by-neglect: the extermination of the poor, and the extermination of one of the South's few Democratic Party strongholds as well.

To understand the present-day implications of class-struggle, you have to know something of the history of capitalism. The Russian Revolution of 1917 terrified capitalism into assuming a humanitarian guise; the New Deal in the United States and the welfare states of Europe were among the results. Meanwhile, even given the tyrannies of Stalinism, capitalism's terror of socialism remained overwhelming: the mere notion of workers demanding economic democracy was infinitely disturbing to the oligarchy; the possibility the formidable Red Army and the peerless Soviet intelligence apparatus might actually enforce that demand evoked bottomless horror in boardrooms around the world. But then the Soviet Union collapsed; the fear-factor that had restrained the oligarchy was lifted, and the capitalists were suddenly again free to run amok at their Tyrannosauric worst -- exactly as they had done before 1917. In Europe and elsewhere, this unleashed an ongoing campaign of relentless attacks on the welfare state. In America, the target was the New Deal, and the attack culminated in the presidency of George Bush -- a man carefully groomed by the global oligarchy to restore capitalism to all of its innate savagery -- maximum profits, maximum concentration of wealth and maximum oppression of all of us who have to work for a living. The one great and potentially liberating irony in all this is that by its savagery, the oligarchy has re-animated its one true enemy: Marx and Marxism is suddenly again not only as relevant as it was in 1917, but -- with the addition of American principles of constitutional governance -- it is now more relevant than ever.

Applying the objective analysis that becomes possible when we recognize the historical reality of class-struggle, we see clearly how everything Bush does serves the oligarchy's purpose. This is true in the Middle East (the imposition of theocracy in Iraq, and the reliable suppression of the people thereby); it is true in the U.S. (outsourcing, downsizing, reduction of wages, looting of pensions, destruction of the social safety net -- all this viciously worsened by skyrocketing prices); and it was never more vividly true than in New Orleans (slashing funds for levee improvement and disaster relief; withholding aid until the aftermath of Katrina inflicted a maximum death toll; blaming the victims for their own plight; denouncing the survival-struggles of the victims as "looting"; using "looting and unrest" as an excuse to further withhold aid; and thereby maliciously raising the death toll even higher). Viewed in this context, the atrocities committed in New Orleans are merely a logical expression of the class war Bush is waging against all of us -- a class war that in New Orleans has been raised to the next deadly level -- as if to numb us in preparation for much worse to come.

Why New Orleans? Demographics explain succinctly: the city is 67 percent black; it voted 77 percent for Kerry/Edwards and is one of the few Democratic strongholds in the entire South; 27 percent of its residents are officially impoverished -- making it one of the largest concentrations of urban poverty in the U.S. By the tactic of genocide-by-neglect, not only did Bush serve the Rove/Norquist/Republican purpose of destroying a Democratic stronghold (thereby altering forever the politics of the nation by guaranteeing Louisiana will become a wholly Republican, wholly Christofascist state). Bush also served the oligarchic purpose of ending poverty by death: remember that every dead Social Security recipient, every dead welfare recipient, every dead disabled person is a bonus for the oligarchy -- that much less money for social services, that much more money available for the concentration of wealth.

And then of course there is the object lesson the horror of New Orleans provides. All but the most dim-witted recognize that in Katrina and its aftermath we are seeing the true future of America. People dying in the streets while the powers that be manipulate relief efforts for maximum propaganda impact -- disaster as a Rove/Norquist/Goebbels photo-op. America of the New World Order: a tiny, arrogant and obscenely comfortable oligarchy ruling over the rest of us -- all of us increasingly desperate, increasingly frightened, increasingly oppressed, all of us kept in line by hard-eyed men riding armored cars and brandishing automatic rifles.




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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:35 PM
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10. if it's war, the rich are winning
that much is obvious
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