"Clinton should have fixed the levees when we had a surplus" !!!

[elehhhhna]

oh. my. god. The new talking point.

MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED.

[mattclearing]

1. They must be destroyed. n/t

[deadparrot]

2. 'Scuse me while I die a little inside.

And I'm no raving Clinton fanatic.

[eleny]

3. They're grabbing at penises, here

The question is then - why did * cut the FEMA budget. The spin will not fly.

[Broken_Hero]

11. exactly...

its like turning bs into fairy dust, adn they are doing a piss poor job of doing it, cause they cant...

[JohnnyBoots]

26. It still doesn't account for the delay in aid. n/t

[Mythsaje]

4. Other than the fact that he was

being impeached for a blow-job and had fifty billion OTHER things to think about--like Al Queda and OBL, for example--and that the project was continuing under his watch and then de-funded during Bush's?

Get a brain, moran.

[Broken_Hero]

20. Ditto Ditto Ditto

exactly, don't let those things bug your head, its like what Lewis Black said in one of his comedy bits "If it wasn't for that horse, i wouldn't have spent that time in college"...its one of those things, which will cause a stroke, or aneruseym, if you think on it to long.

[philosophie_en_rose]

5. What the hell?????

******* How in the hell could Bill Clinton have predicted the extraordinary failure that is the Bush administration????

******* How could Bill Clinton -- who left us with a hefty surplus -- have known of the squandering of that surplus or the destruction of the economy? (and it's not all 9/11-related).



What was he supposed to do? Go into the FUTURE? And then provide more money for Bush to give to Halliburton?

[Broken_Hero]

28. Its their motra...

They claim to do everything by themselves, and don't want the govt in their lives, yet, when something is clearly their fault, they blame everyone else but themselves...how about this one, its Christopher Reeves fault, cause he was superman, and because he broke himself in that accident, he would have saved us...the bastard! Yeah, it makes as much sense as blaming Clinton, which in hindsight makes no SENSE.

[philosophie_en_rose]

43. Please help us Superman!

:eyes:

You're right about the freepers. It's always, "I've got mine. Screw everyone else."

[Broken_Hero]

53. Yeah, thanks...:)

speaking of superman, new movie out next june, Brandon Routh as superman, yeah, i don't know him either, and Kevin Spacey as Lex...but anyways...:)

[philosophie_en_rose]

55. That's so odd.

I like comic books, but comic book movies are hit or miss.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

6. Gandhi: 1st they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they blame

Clinton, then you win. MKJ

:hi:

edited to add, paraphrase, of course.

[ihaveaquestion]

7. Uh - we're winning? Winning what exactly?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

32. Well, it was mainly to point out when the RW'ers latch onto Clinton

as an excuse, they have no reasonable argument. And it was an alteration paraphrase of Gandhi's quote.

Are you familiar with the quote I referenced?
MKJ

[ihaveaquestion]

48. Yes, I'm familiar with the quote, but somehow .....

it hasn't worked out that way for us. They keep screwing up and we keep losing. I think it's got to do with the "reasonable argument" you mention - they obviously don't have one, but it doesn't make a difference. It doesn't make a difference because they have more power and money than we do. They are also better able to rally the ignorant in the voting populace - the ones who don't care about "reasonable arguments" - the work off emotion. We haven't been able to do this lately. I think the Dems used to be good at this at one time, weren't they?

[doublethink]

17. That's a great paraphrase, mind if I use it !!!

:rofl:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

25. No problem...:-)

MKJ

[eleny]

47. That's a perfect sig line to use here at DU!

[derby378]

49. Sorry, but that's wrong

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they blame Clinton, then New Orleans is destroyed.

Then they blame you.

Kristallnacht.

[Bumblebee]

8. well, at least they acknowledge that he had a surplus :)

don't waste your time on their pathetic talking points. Not working any more. I don't think they can spin their way out of this one, esp. since we all know what Bush did with the surplus he inherited. Once teflon wears off, no way to put it back. At some point there is a turning point and everything just sticks. I am still afraid to hope but I believe we have just reached it.

[doublethink]

9. I think real thinking Americans .....

know how far these idiots will stoop to blame it all on Clinton by now. I mean everything from the Civil War on. It never held water (no pun intended) it still doesn't and it never will. Peace.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. Exactly! Everytime bushco screws up, they bring out the

"It's Clinton's fault" RW talking point! Sooner or later Americans are gonna see through that lame ass excuse! Hopefully that time is now.

[leftofthedial]

10. he could have waved the clenis

fucking cretinous defectives

[Spazito]

12. ROFLMAO! They have had to go back to Clinton in their desparation

to try and save the Little Prince. What a hoot! They tried the Mayor, the Governor, the people, the Police but none of that worked so they are now down to Clinton. I can help but laugh at this.

[elehhhhna]

15. that's how i read it!

[proud2BlibKansan]

So they are admitting

the federal budget was in better shape under Clinton? :)

[Catherine Vincent]

13. Where did you hear this tripe from?

[elehhhhna]

24. yahoo message board(s).

Looked up "Bush" for all boards & started reading. 90-10 Bush F'd up versus other excuses.

[Catherine Vincent]

46. Oh, well that figures.

Yahoo has such fucked up message boards. A lot of deranged people post on there.

[elehhhhna]

50. no-- I meant 90% against Bush!

[Catherine Vincent]

54. I have no doubt.

The the deranged ones are racist Bush supporters.

[KeepItReal]

14. When we had a surplus the GOP controlled the MONEY

They had control of Congress...fuckers.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. Bingo.

[illflem]

16. He was fixing the levies, it wasn't till *'s watch the funding was cut

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

35. Don't forget Clinton continuing to protect and repair the wetlands

that protected NO from the worst storms. Progress which gwb halted and, in fact, reversed. MKJ

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. Fortunately, such bullshit cannot possibily fly

That defense, like thousands of people in New Orleans, is dead in the water.

[Walt Starr]

19. HE WAS!!!

The projects were slated to end THIS FUCKING YEAR!!!

Bush put and end to it!

[drfresh]

21. Reponse: Bush cut federal Army Corp funds for Lake Pontchartrain levees

This is a letter I mass-mailed to people in my address book:

As we know now, the levees have breeched and the lake has emptied into the city putting it 80% underwater. All I can say is what a colossal clusterfuck of a situation this is turning into. If you are watching the TV these days you know that our federal government did not adequately prepare for this disaster and has let down thousands of people still suffering in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. These folks on the gulf coast need our thoughts and prayers now more than ever so please continue to send them, and if you haven't donated to the Red Cross yet please consider doing so: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Army Corps of Engineers said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:

The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.

The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.

"The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said.

Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be."

The original article from 2004: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20040216/ai_n10174605


Bush, 9/2/05, Good Morning America : "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02521178.htm

> Models predicted New Orleans disaster, experts say
> 02 Sep 2005 15:49:00 GMT
> Source: Reuters
> By Alan Elsner WASHINGTON, Sept 2 (Reuters) - Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared.

> "The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well anticipated, predicted and drilled around," said Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University.

> Computer models developed at Louisiana State University and other institutions made detailed projections of what would happen if water flowed over the levees protecting the city or if they failed. In July 2004, more than 40 federal, state, local and volunteer organizations practiced this very scenario in a five-day simulation code-named "Hurricane Pam", where they had to deal with an imaginary storm that destroyed over half a million buildings in New Orleans and forced the evacuation of a million residents.

More recommended reading: "No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html

[JHB]

23. They did. SELA was in progress, would have been done this year...

...if Chim-Chim and the Yellow Elephant Squadron hadn't cut it's funding.

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. Er...would the Republican controlled Congress allow it?

Hell, they didn't even help him when he went after bin Laden. Fuck their convulted thinking.

[demobabe]

29. The same could be asked of *

We still had a surplus when he took office.

He wrote $300 checks to everyone to get rid of it, remember?

[Mr Rabble]

31. What happened to the sulplus, exactly? nt

[demobabe]

37. Gave it away in retroactive tax cuts

Most of us got $300.

Big corps got more.

Now our taxes have been unofficially raised: if we want to see disaster relief for this area, we need to donate because the federal government isn't going to spend our tax money to care for these people. But it will spend our tax money for buddy contracts to Halliburton to do reconstruction in the area.

[Imagevision]

33. ROVE: "Blame it on Clinton"...! same ole-same ole......shit!

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[bribri16]

34. By the time the surplus war realized, Clinton was deep into impeachment

and on his way out of office. The surplus was a gift to the Bush administration which they quickly squandered. Make this point clear!

[Old and In the Way]

36. To even ask this question is to prove how stupid the Bushboits are.

This person proves that there are questions too stupid to even attempt to answer.

[Mutley]

38. Everything is the Clenis's fault.

I'm quite shocked that they haven't said the hurricane was God's way of punishing us for Clinton's blowjob.

[journalist3072]

39. Who the fuck said this?

I'm really not surprised though. Everything is blame Clinton. Some Repug guy on my blog was blaming Clinton as well. This guy is amazing.

When I quoted him the scripture of Christ saying "As you did it for the least of these, you did it for me," he also said "if you don't work you don't eat."

I asked him if he was implying that African-Americans don't work. I asked him if he heard of the working poor.

[maine_raptor]

40. History is against them, here's the timeline.

1965, Army COE starts building levees to withstand a Cat 3 storm. Project to finish in 1975.

1969 Nixon (R-Cook) sworn in.

1969 Nixon re-sworn in.

1974 Nixon sworn out, Ford (R-NoHelmet) sworn-in.

1975 Project not finish due to lack of funds during prior R Admins.

1977 Carter (D-FirstGoodGuy) sworn in. Continues fuding for Project, completion now set mid 1980's.

1981 Reagan (R-NapTime) sworn in, project funding cut.

1985 (same as above).

1988 Bush the First (R-1000PointsOfLight) sworn in, project continues.

1993 Clinton (D-SecondGoodGuy) sworn in, project finished during first term, starts planning study for rebuild to have levves withstand a Cat 5 storm.

1995 Contract On America Congress (R-JustPlainEvil) elected, funds for study cut because "it's pork".

1997 Clinton re-elected, project status same as above.

2001 Bush the Second (R-VillageIdiot) sworn in, fund further cut back because money needed for War on Terror and upcoming future visit by US troops to downtown Bagdad.

and so on.

Seems to me them Rethugs gotta get around the history before they can blame Clinton.

[laureloak]

41. Instead Bush just paid it out to buy votes. n/t

[Prodemsouth]

42. If your head explodes don't post this stupid shit! It makes it look

like you are trying get the freeper message or talking point on this board. I am thinking of petioning the moderator to not allow these types of post even it has quotation marks.
Answer Back: Bush could have continued fixing it with Clinton's surplus instead of giving it away to his rich friends. There!

[philosophie_en_rose]

45. It's good to fight the insanity.

Anyone that brings up freeper points in that way are going to be demolished by DUers. The freeper talking points exist, whether or not we choose to discuss them.

[donco6]

44. Jebus. The GOP wanted to REFUND the surplus!

Remember? That's where the tax cut yammering started. They wouldn't LET him spend the surplus because they wanted control of it when Shrub assumed office.

[sakabatou]

51. Uh...

They weren't broken until know were they?

If everything else, fails, blame the Clenis.

[MadeinOhio]

52. Well morons, if the GOP congress hadn't stopped Clinton...

They would have fixed it back then!!!!! Total assholes and racists. They should shut up and let the real people do the talking.