Experimental crowd control weapons sent to NO

[Shipwack]

OMFG

"In mid-90's morning heat at Edwards Air Force Base, HPV Technologies and American Technology demonstrated prototypes of non-lethal sonic devices for a group of military and law enforcement guests, including representatives of the U.K. Home Office.

Representatives of both companies say that within days, they will ship some units of their respective products to areas hit by Hurricane Katrina, so authorities can use the tools for crowd control, aid distribution and rescue operations."
--Wired News

What crowd are they planning on needing to control? How much lower must we get them?

:wtf:

[Lindsay]

1. Hey, those grannies in wheelchairs

can be pretty threatening to a big, strong Army guy!

:sarcasm:

[jbnow]

22. Be honest, you have to admit

toddlers can get pretty wild. Think about the terrible twos.

[Lindsay]

26. Point well taken.

Terrist toddlers. That's gotta be it.

[TankLV]

36. The approved bushco* term is "insurgents".

That's the mindset we're dealing with from the repuke criminals!

[libhill]

48. Iraq is kicking our ass

so we gotta prove to the world that we're still a big bad Super Power some kind of way. What a joke, what a disgrace. But what the hey - why track down Osama, when you can gun down a starving infant. I'm impressed.

[eleny]

2. Well, there we have it

This is what they hoped for all along. Practise on NO victms in preparation for other situations. Perhaps for Sept. 24th demonstrators?

Okay, I'll put it on. :tinfoilhat:

[Horse with no Name]

4. My guess for when the general population takes to the streets

in mass protest of this administration. There was a reason they left those people in the Superdome. They wanted some anger so they could play with their new toys.
You can take your tinfoilhat off. This is real.:(

[Pallas180]

41. beginning to look that way - the people were asking why they were

being treated like animals ?

Bush - PNAC societal experiment...

tin foil?

not looking like it.

MSNBC reporting family man shot by NO police in front of convention center, and left there in pool of blood for hours.

[Pallas180]

42. MSNBC reporting FBI has covert snipers on the street.

why now?

[ispeculate]

7. perhaps a tin foil suit would be more useful

[eleny]

11. I edited my original response

I must have misunderstood your reposne. For sure, a foil suit or stronger.

[ispeculate]

14. I don't doubt you.

[eleny]

25. Hugs and a belated welcome to DU

[Raksha]

39. Better make it full plate armor. Bastards! n/t

[Pallas180]

43. 118 Posts - welcome, Gee , where are you visiting from? :)

as if I didn't know

[SmokingJacket]

3. That's about the craziest thing I've ever heard of. nt

[KoKo]

5. .....OH SHIT!

Tasers and Vaporizors....Tanks that unleash microwaves. Can they get away with this.

[Conservativesux]

31. Not in America. Lots of "patriots" here have been longing for a revolution

...and maybe this is it?

Using these weapons on civilians is over the top, IMO.

Thanks * !!!

[KoKo]

33. My America...Home of the "Ultimate" in Weapons of Mass Destruction....

Great...love that old "Super Power Dogma" given that the Japanes and Chines OWN ALL OF OUR DEBT through our Treasury Bonds.

But..never mind...shouldn't have said that...gotta put some yellow magnet on my car or I will be sent to the disinfo/deprogramming camp.

[Angry Girl]

6. This is DISGRACEFUL! Recommended at once!

The Pentagon's Secret Scream Sonic devices can inflict pain or even permanent deafness. Despite legal and moral concerns, they are being deployed in Iraq as part of a human experiment in hopes of "creating a greater demand" for more "non-lethal" weapons in the future. If this weapon can be used in Baghdad, it can be used against protestors in the US.
http://www.earthisland.org/project/newsPage2.cfm?newsID=634&pageID=177&subSiteID=44

And there's the collateral damage....



Nightweed's Hurricane Katrina Aid Organizations

[Southpaw Bookworm]

8. OMFG

So this is all a social experiment for some contractors to test their fucking weapons for the military?!

[Pallas180]

46. the US has always tested experimental weapons on other peoples

lands - and there has always been blowback on our own soldiers.
Napalm, uranium coated bullets....

One could suppose that he mistakenly thought white America would not care about a bunch of poor welfare type black people

for once the media during his administration has done something right. Put it right before our eyes, (until the army got there and
embedded the reporters)

[liberal N proud]

9. I remember reading about that in the 90's

The idea was that the sonic device would render everyones bowel functions uncontrollable.
Can you imagine using a device that will make everyone shit and pee in their pants on a group of people who are already dehydrated?

:wtf:

[derby378]

17. That's the mythical "brown note"

There's no hard evidence that such a frequency exists. Mythbusters tried to find it, but failed.

[Frederik]

28. Yeah I remember that

Gives yu unstoppable diorrhea or something. Just what they need in New Orleans now :sarcasm:

[Pallas180]

44. We don;t know that it wasn't used on those in Dome - reports

of dysentery - and after two days the bathrooms were stopped up - no longer functioning from so much use....

those people were dehydrated day 2 or 3...

??????

[salvorhardin]

10. These units have a practical use in communications

They're not necessarily weapons. From the article:

The device uses magnets approximately 6 inches tall and 9.25 inches wide to convert electrical pulses into sound waves, and is capable of aiming sound precisely for thousands of feet -- like the sonic equivalent of a laser, or spotlight.

Its path and reach can be affected by environmental factors such as nearby flat surfaces, hills, bodies of water or strong bursts of wind.

A series of test sounds beamed out by MAD, including gunfire, music and instructional commands, were audible and intelligible at distances of up to a mile.

When a subject is at close range in MAD's sonic path, and it is set to high volume, the sound can be excruciating.

The ability to broadcast instructions or alerts at great distances with minimal distortion could be useful for authorities and rescue crews in areas where other communications systems are unavailable.

American Technology is donating four devices -- three MRADs (medium-range acoustic devices) and one LRAD (long-range acoustic device). The four devices will be shipped out Friday to a Marine military police unit that is deploying to the Gulf States area for disaster-relief efforts.

There's a lot of blame to go around with respect to rescue and relief operations in the flood zone, but it's silly to assume that the people on the ground there are there for any nefarious reasons. These can be used for "area denial" but can you not see where being able to communicate information and instructions to people a couple of miles away would be useful? I swear, the hysteria on DU has gotten to ridiculous levels.

[MadeinOhio]

15. Nobody knows what they're going to be used for until they use them. n/t

[salvorhardin]

16. Then maybe it's best to assume

that the devices will be used for what they say they're going to be used for... instead of going off half-cocked screaming "OMG!"?

[TankLV]

37. Yeah - I'm just SURE they have our best interests first and foremost!

:sarcasm:

[Pallas180]

45. Salvor - nefarious? the world wants to know how U.S. can be

in disaster areas overseas in two days but not in a predominantly
black area in its own country for 5.

So the world must be involved in hysteria.

Or perhaps they know George Bush and his administration better than
we do.

[norml]

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http://www.atcsd.com/

[kansasblue]

13. they could be used for good...

The ability to broadcast instructions or alerts at great distances with minimal distortion could be useful for authorities and rescue crews in areas where other communications systems are unavailable

[derby378]

18. I hope you're right...

...but if I hear of one verified incident of crowd control (re: torture) using these sonic devices, all bets are off.

[TankLV]

38. I'm sure - I mean, the repukes always have our best interests in their

hearts!

:sarcasm:

[norml]

19. SOME ASPECTS OF ANTI-PERSONNEL ELECTROMAGNETIC WEAPONS

peacejournalism.com
Issue 11 - September, 2005
By: David Guyatt Posted on: 8/4/2005


http://home.comcast.net/~jmontemayor10/_disc3/0000005b.htm
SOME ASPECTS OF ANTI-PERSONNEL ELECTROMAGNETIC WEAPONS
Synopsis prepared for the International Committee of the Red Cross Symposium:
THE MEDICAL PROFESSION AND THE EFFECTS OF WEAPONS - FEBRUARY 1996
By David Guyatt

Background - 1940 through 1995
The background to the development of anti-personnel electromagnetic weapons can be traced by to the early-middle 1940’s and possibly earlier. The earliest extant reference, to my knowledge, was contained in the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey (Pacific Survey, Military Analysis Division, Volume 63) which reviewed Japanese research and development efforts on a “Death Ray”.
Whilst not reaching the stage of practical application, research was considered to be sufficiently promising to warrant the expenditure of Yen 2 million during the years 1940-1945. Summarizing the Japanese efforts allied scientists concluded that a ray apparatus might be developed that could kill unshielded human beings at a distance of 5 to 10 miles. Studies demonstrated that, for example, automobile engines could be stopped by tuned waves as early as 1943.<1> It is, therefore, reasonable to suppose that this technique has been available for a great many years? Research on living organisms ( mice and ground hogs) revealed that waves from 2 meters to 60 centimeters in length caused hemorrhage of lungs, whereas waves shorter than two meters destroyed brain cells.
However, experiments in behaviour modification and mind manipulation have a grisly past. Nazi doctors at the Dachau concentration camp conducted involuntary experiments with hypnosis and narco-hypnosis - using the drug mescaline - on inmates. Additional research was conducted at Aushwitz, using a range of chemicals including various barbiturates and morphine derivatives. Many of these experiments proved fatal. Following the conclusion of the war the U.S. Naval Technical Mission was tasked with obtaining pertinent industrial and scientific material that had been produced by the Third Reich and which may be of benefit to U.S. interests. Following a lengthy report the Navy instigated Project CHATTER in 1947. Many of the Nazi scientists and medical doctors who conducted these and other hideous experiments were later recruited by the U.S. Army and worked out of Heidelberg prior to being secretly relocated to the United States under the Project PAPERCLIP programme. Under the leadership of Dr. Hubertus Strughold, 34 ex Nazi scientists accepted “Paperclip” contracts, authorised by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and were put to work at Randolph Air Force Base, San Antonio, Texas. By 1953 the CIA, US Navy and the US Army Chemical Corps were conducting their own narco-hypnosis programmes on unwilling victims that included prisoners, mental patients, foreigners, ethic minorities and those classified as sexual deviants.<2>


snip


http://peacejournalism.com/ReadArticle.asp?ArticleID=4408

[BeFree]

20. Oh geez

Remember the other day in Iraq where a bridge full of people stampeded, killing close to a thousand people? The 'news' said a rumor of a suicide bomber started that stampede.

According to the info found on this thread, such a rumor could have been broadcast on that bridge, using this tool.

We must keep an ear out for rumors being broadcast on the streets of New Orleans.

[liveoaktx]

21. I read about these weapons twice last year- Iraq and the NYC RNC

convention.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/noisegun

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8092340/

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/309265.shtml

[Imagevision]

23. Whata a joke! - this is really helping Bush hahaha! get granny!

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[snot]

24. Blast the media with this! nt

[Igel]

27. The article makes a claim as to why they're being sent.

'"We are donating the use of one of our most powerful prototypes, LTPMS-2, for use in Mississippi as soon as possible, because the governor of that state said that the biggest problem they have right now is the fact that they have no communications infrastructure to get information or instructions out to people," he said. "They can very easily put this on a truck and send sound out for a minimum of at least a mile in either direction."'

DUers have pointed out the same problem: people don't have radios, PA systems have limited range and therefore it takes a while of having a couple of people doing nothing but tooling around in cars and boats broadcasting stuff.

If this works, problem largely solved.

[Conservativesux]

29. Visit the gun-owner forums. They consider this weapon deadly force and

many are claiming they will fire, if "fired" upon with this new weapon.

I hate guns and have always been for gun control, but I cant disagree with them here, for once.

I wont harm anyone, but I wont shed a tear for any police or military personell who are shot by gun owners while using this weapon on civilians, who are only trying to survive in NO or protest the war in Iraq.

[stevietheman]

30. and herein lies the point behind the 2nd Amendment. n/t

n/t

[Conservativesux]

52. Yes. I always thought it was antiquated, but now I see why so many

Americans like guns. I never thought it would come to a shooting revolution, but I guess I was mistaken.

[Igel]

32. It's great when people not involved make claims.

Sometimes you just can't trust those involved to say anything close to the truth: you have a problem, and somebody comes along saying they have a solution, the only possible conclusion is that they're lying.

Rather than assume they're lying, perhaps they should be given a chance to demonstrate that they're telling the truth?

[TankLV]

40. Yeah - just like all the other times the repuikes told us the truth!

Thanks, but if we expect the worse from this bunch, you won't be disappointed or surprised.

"Trust them"?!!! After all this fucking time and all the fucking things they've done to us?

You've got to be fucking delusional!

[Conservativesux]

54. Who exactly are you speaking about? This is very unclear.

[Hubert Flottz]

34. ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP

ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP

Advances in Tesla Technology
by
Jeanne Manning and Dr. Nick Begich

The U.S. Government has a new ground-based "Star Wars" weapon which is being tested in the remote bush country of Alaska. This new system manipulates the environment in a way which can:

Disrupt human mental processes.
Jam all global communications systems.
Change weather patterns over large areas.
Interfere with wildlife migration patterns.
Negatively affect your health.
Unnaturally impact the Earth's upper atmosphere.

The U.S. military calls its zapper HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program). But this skybuster is not about the Northern Lights. The device will turn on lights never intended to be artifically manipulated.

http://www.2012.com.au/HAARP.html

Just like the Nazis, always trying to develop another "Super Weapon"

[Pallas180]

47. A D.A.R.P.A. Poindexter special I presume...change weather patterns?

the meteorologists were shocked that the hurricane took a sudden southern turn and then turned north and to the right - unexpected path.

It's so far out that everybody would say get your tin foil hat, but apparently the weapon exists and has been tested in Alaska. When was the test in Alaska?


The U.S. military calls its zapper HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program).

Disrupt human mental processes.
Jam all global communications systems.
Change weather patterns over large areas.
Interfere with wildlife migration patterns.
Negatively affect your health.
Unnaturally impact the Earth's upper atmosphere.

[Hubert Flottz]

50. If they got it they'll use it!

"Interfere with wildlife migration patterns"

Aquatic Life Dying In Gulf Mystery

The Naples (Fla.) Daily News reports animals and plant life are dying as oxygen depleted water travels south down Florida's coast.

Divers and fishermen say they have found dead coral and sponges that crumble when they are touched, dead crabs on the ocean floor and fish floating on the surface.

Experts have many theories about the mysterious devastation that is estimated at covering more than 2,000 square miles of the Gulf of Mexico. more...

http://news.usti.net/home/news/cn/?/local.florida/2/wed/ar/Uus-deadzone.RF-u_FS1.html

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Overview of Low Frequency Active Sonar


In February 1998, Dr. Marsha Green of Ocean Mammal Institute alerted the Animal Welfare Institute (AWI) to a threat to ocean life of almost unbelievable magnitude. Dr. Greene has studied for many years the avoidance behavior of whales around boat traffic emitting about 120 decibels (dB). She told us the US Navy was about to hit calving and mating humpback whales off Hawaii intentionally with up to 155 dB to test a device called LFA (low-frequency active) sonar. The Hawaii test was the third in a series of experiments on whales specifically designed by the Navy and cooperating scientists to find no problem with exposing whales to loud noise. Only a few whales were studied. Only immediate and obvious reactions were noted. No long-term studies or follow-up analysis was done. None of the other reef life was studied: not turtles, not fish or their eggs or larvae, and not plankton or other critical bottom-of-the-food-chain organisms. Any evidence of disruption or deaths was discounted. Predictably, the Navy announced afterwards that their experiments showed that whales are a lot less sensitive to loud noise than formerly thought. Furthermore they argued that the Navy should be allowed to go ahead and deploy their LFA device all over the world at a source level of about 240 dB-some of the loudest noise ever created by human beings.

The Navy has been testing LFA illegally for over a decade. It is designed to find very quiet enemy submarines by flooding the oceans with intense sounds and then reading the echo. Its stated intention is to deploy LFA on four ships over at least eighty percent of the world's oceans. The Navy has now issued a Final Environmental Impact Statement for the system, arguing that it can keep a really good look-out and guarantee that no whale or dolphin gets too close to the broadcasting ship and receives no more than 180 dB. Sound below 180 dB is considered benign because it has not been proven to cause physical injury (even though the safe level for human divers is pegged at 145dB- 5,000 times less intense.) Temporary deafness (called TTS for temporary threshold shift) is not considered an injury even though it can last for days and expose the creature to all kinds of threats such as predators and ship-strikes. All avoidance behavior is ignored. more...

http://www.awionline.org/whales/Noise/lfaoverview.htm

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Low-frequency device was banned by US courts but is now being used by UK off Kyle of Lochalsh

By Torcuil Crichton

A high-powered military sonar, banned by the US courts because it can have potentially fatal effects on whales, is being tested by the Royal Navy in Scottish waters.

The tests are being carried out without the permission of the statutory environmental agency, Scottish Natural Heritage (SNH), which has now demanded a meeting with the navy to discuss the issue. A spokesman said: 'We have previously been assured that neither the Royal Navy nor other Nato forces use Low Frequency Active (LFA) sonar during training in Scottish waters, and we're unaware of any testing being carried out off the coast of Scotland.'

But the LFA sonar tested at the Royal Navy's British Underwater Testing and Evaluation Centre (Butec) at the Kyle of Lochalsh, near Skye, has been blamed for disturbing whales and causing internal bleeding and disorientation.

A series of mass strandings of whales coinciding with military exercises across the world's oceans has led to legal action in the US and calls by British environmentalists to ban the use of the powerful sonar device, which emits sounds loud enough to be heard hundreds of miles away across the ocean. UK environmentalists are ready to follow the lead of US campaigners by taking the government to court to enforce a ban on testing in Britain. More...

http://www.eurocbc.org/page392.html

If they had a brain they'd take it out and play with it!

[jim3775]

49. Oh please not HAARP again.

The crazy excuse for everything. Plane crash, HAARP. Hurricane, HAARP. Cancer, HAARP. Blackout, HAARP. Tsunami, HAARP.

BTW, how the hell do electromagnetic waves disrupt animal migration patters? That doesnt even make any sense at all.

[Hubert Flottz]

51. Stop your HAARPing!

I report you decide!

[jim3775]

53. Sonar has nothing to do with HAARP

HAARP is an electromagneitc research project. Sonar is sound waves. It's two totally different things.

[mshasta]

35. we have try one of those things...

in a small version...and yes they can't get very annoying and the one they talking abut "sonic" that makes you dizzy and feels like you want throw up....this is amerika anything is possible...

[The Magistrate]

55. Locking

Article referenced describes materials tio be used as bull-horns for communication purposes.