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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:23 PM
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FEMA stops a rescue convoy of 500 boats - Unbelievable
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 04:00 PM by Jim4Wes
This was posted on a Clark blog and it has some good information so I wanted to pass it on.


Just to give you a sense of just how badly FEMA has f*cked up.
Posted by Clark Warner on September 3, 2005 - 1:23pm.

This is beyond my comprehension and after spending two frustrating days trying to just get someone to let us help we've FINNALLY been told we can conduct "renegade" boat rescues via the just concluded press conference that Gov. Blanco just held.

Why is this JUST NOW being allowed? Well let's start from the very beginning.

On Wednesday morning a group of approximately 1,000 citizens pulling 500 boats left the Acadiana Mall in Lafayette in the early morning and headed to New Orleans with a police escort from the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department. The flotillia of trucks pulling boats stretched over FIVE miles. This citizen rescue group was organized by La. State Senator, Nick Gautreaux from Vermilion Parish. The group was comprised of experienced boaters, licensed fishermen and hunters, people who have spent their entire adult life and teenage years on the waterways of Louisiana.

The State Police waved the flotillia of trucks/boats through the barricades in LaPlace and we sped into New Orleans via I-10 until past the airport and near the Clearview exit. At that time we were stopped by agents of the FEMA controlled La. Dept. of Wildlife & Fisheries. A young DWF agent strolled through the boats and told approximately half of the citizens that their boats were too large because the water had dropped during the night and that they should turn around and go home.

They were pulling a large (24ft) shallow draft aluminum boat that can safely carry 12 passengers and had ramp access which would allow the elderly and infirm to have easier access to the boat. They then politely informed the DWF agent that the local and national media had consistently reported that the water level had risen during the night which contradicted his statement to them that the water was dropping and no boat over 16ft. in length would be allowed to participate in rescue operations.

They then specifically asked the DWF agent that they (and other citizens in the flotillia) be allowed to go to the hospitals and help evacuate the sick and the doctors and nurses stranded there. They offered to bring these people back to Lafayette, in our own vehicles, in order to ensure that they received proper and prompt medical care.

The DWF agent did not want to hear this and ordered them home -- ALL FIVE HUNDRED BOATS. They complied with the DWF agent's orders, turned around and headed back to Lafayette along with half of the flotillia. However, two friends were pulling a smaller 15ft alumaweld with a 25 hp. The DWF agents let them through to proceed to the rescue operation launch site.

They were allowed to drive to the launch site where the FEMA controlled La. Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries were launching their rescue operations (via boat). They reported to me that there were over 200 DWF agents just standing around and doing nothing. They were kept there for approximately 3 hours. During that time they observed a large number of DWF agents doing absolutely nothing. Why? Because FEMA would n ot let them HELP! After three hours had passed they were told that they were not needed and should go home. They complied with the DWF's orders and turned around and went home to Lafayette.

Watching CNN later that night, there was a telephone interview with a Nurse trapped in Charity Hospital in New Orleans. She said that there were over 1,000 people trapped inside of the hospital and that the doctors and nurses had zero medical supplies, no diesel to run the generators and that only three people had been rescued from the hospital since the Hurricane hit!

I can't come up with one logical reason why the DWF sent this large group of 500 boats/1000 men home when we surely could have rescued most, if not all, of the people trapped in Charity Hospital. Further, we had the means to immediately transport these people to hospitals in Southwest Louisiana.

On Tuesday afternoon, August 30, Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee asked for all citizens with boats to come to the aid of Jefferson Parish. A short time later Dwight Landreneau, the head of the La. Depart. of Wildlife and Fisheries, got on television and remarked that his agency had things under control and citizen help was not needed. Apparently, Sheriff Lee did not agree with that assessment and had one of his deputies provide the Lafayette flotillia with an escort into Jefferson Parish.

Sheriff Lee and Senator Gautreaux - 1000 of Louisiana's citizens responded to the public's pleas for help. They were prevented from helping by Dwight Landreneau's agency, the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries which had been taken over by FEMA. When I learned that Charity Hospital has not been evacuated and that no one has been there to attempt a rescue, I became angry.

It was because of this that my friend and I have been trying launch boats both yesterday and today but to no avail. It looks like FINALLY the Governor has just said SCREW FEMA, get those boats in the water and help save my citizens.

So I think we'll be in the water tomorrow to help but for now I'm immensely frustrated.

If there is anyone on the CCN that is in the Baton Rouge area we are meeting today at the LA State Dem Party HQ at 2pm CST to game out tomorrow.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/357

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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:29 PM
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1. Please, please send this to all the media outlets. Get their attention.
The people who have been holed up in NO really need to know what was really happening all around them. I am already seeing signs that this regime is starting its propaganda against the governor and mayor so as to deflect responsibility from Bush and his administration. This must be widely distributed. I'm e-mailing a copy but there has to be more than one e-mail before they pay attention.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:35 PM
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4. I second that. All of these accounts need to get out
and seen by the Congressional investigation, as well.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:32 PM
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2. my friend's husband was one of those men...he said they were shot at....
....the company he works for sent their entire fleet of boats down to New Orleans from Lafayette and were literaly fired upon and then turned away...their efforts to help wasted and more people dead and dying...twilight zone...resistance is futile...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:51 PM
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6. Do they know who was firing on them? nt
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:55 PM
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10. haven't heard any details of what exactly happened to them.....
...but his Dad said they were shot at while they were down there and they were told they weren't needed...that's all I've heard about it all so far.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:59 PM
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14. Reported that shots had been fired
Or do you have any individual who will personally testify in court that they were fired on. Because I don't believe this is the problem people have said, otherwise why isn't the media able to catch any of it on film or being shot at themselves. AT, not hearing a shot which could be an SOS signal. Three shots, that's the signal, right?

Besides, I don't believe Louisiana men, or most other men, are that cowardly anyway. They'd have gone in teams. They'd have gotten the job done.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:07 PM
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19. Good point re: the media.
Supposedly the situation is so dangerous, relief agencies haven't been allowed in, yet the media has been able to get in and walk around the shelters, etc., from the beginning.

The government made plenty of noises about having guns, being ready to fire, etc. If they were shot at, it was to turn them back.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:09 PM
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20. Jus_the_facts post does not imply that victims did the shooting --
Would it not make more sense that the people who were turning them around - rejecting their help - would be the ones doing the shooting.

I do *NOT* believe that any of the hurricane victims have shot *AT* any arriving rescuers - it makes no sense whatsoever - they may have shot in the air to signal their location, but otherwise (IMO) the shots being fired may have been fired by the agencies responding to the hurricane.

The only circumstance that would make sense for hurricane victims to shot *AT* someone would be those who are in the tiny, tiny minority of those being seen stealing luxury items. Anyone who thinks there would be 'gang' wars over the worthless 'territory' of NOLA is a blithering idiot.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:12 PM
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22. I tend to agree. I just don't know what to believe.
Its very surreal.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:33 PM
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3. I bet the timeframe of them suddenly being allowed corresponds
with the hiring of James Lee Witt by the Governor which, in effect, bypasses the orders to stop help by Washington FEMA. With Witt now in charge in LA, there will be more stories like this I have no doubt. Help will finally get in.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:04 PM
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17. I bet you're right about the time frame! These people are lovers of
death! I hate them!
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judy from nj Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:47 PM
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5. This is such an important report
The author and his friends are real humanitarians. If this keeps up people are going to just take the law into their own hands.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:51 PM
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7. This made me weep with anger and frustration. I will keep this kicked
and will nominate. Thank these brave compassionate souls! Gosh I wish I were there to help! I'd even face an alligator or two without fear...
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:52 PM
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8. I'm sure this can all be explained by the INCOMPETENCE THEORY
actively blocking aid is a typical symptom of incompetence, right?

peace
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:59 PM
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13. NOT.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:55 PM
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9. Why do Americans need PERMISSION to HELP
other Americans. This is bullshit.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:55 PM
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11. Jim4Wes...Could you maybe edit your message so as to make it
more attention grabbing? Like READ THIS, or IMPORTANT? Thanks!

:kick:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:00 PM
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16. How's that.
:)
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:12 PM
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23. Great!!! And kick again!
:kick:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:57 PM
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12. Please kick and nominate for greatest people!
:kick:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:00 PM
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15. Send this to Randi Rhodes. If anyone is going to get this out
there from coast to coast, it's Randi.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:05 PM
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18. KICK. FEMA also stopped RED CROSS.
Read this yesterday.

They also would not allow the RED CROSS in to give aid to the survivors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4598834&mesg_id=4598834
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:10 PM
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21. True
only the reasons FEMA gave the Red Cross (see www.redcross.org web site) where quite different than this of course. Are there are an endless number of excuses they can think of to keep people from helping?
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:14 PM
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24. FEMA is a fuck up. Put the Coast Guard in charge.
They were handling business and saving lives from DAY 1. They know their mission - saving lives - and know how to do it.

I'd rather see the Coast Guard oversee this cluster-fuck of a rescue operation than a ex-horse-show-CEO FEMA director.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:25 PM
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25. OUTRAGEOUS!
:kick:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:58 PM
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26. Since when did FEMA start endorsing genocide?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:00 PM
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27. Kick!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:18 PM
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28. What can we indict Baghdad Brown for?
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