Enough is enough!!!!!

[greeneyedpookie]

SouthernDem2004, this is for you. I feel for you. I am very glad that you made it through. I am very sorry for the people on this board made your very educated post of your personal feelings of this disaster, locked.
I have had it. This was a "Natural Disaster"!!! Yes, it was foreseen, yes people were warned. Why are we making this a political disaster??? Who is to blame?? Oh, Yes, let's blame the pResident, for he is to blame for everything!!! Oh how we forget, that we are the "United States." Every state for themselves. Umm, isn't that the reason why we have governors and mayors?? They are the ones that make the calls, not the pResident. Once the pResident sees that they have not made the calls that are needed to make, then he makes his. http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisiana/index.ssf?base/news-18/1125239940201382.xml&storylist=louisiana
Make of it what you will. This is a call for the "United States" to come together as one to help each other, not to cause a "Civil War" between the two major political parties. We need to pull together, pushing aside our differences and help each other out.

GEP

[laureloak]

1. No. It's also our chance to rid this country of a miserably

incompetent and crooked President and his administration. I'll help out the victims but this President needs to be forced to own up to the responsibilies of his damn job!!!!!

FIVE DAYS TO BEGIN RESCUE EFFORTS WHILE THE GOV & MAYOR ARE BEGGING FOR HELP??? WHERE IN THE HELL ARE YOU COMING FROM?

[growlypants]

18. agree.

[still_one]

2. You are right, but tell that to the rush limbaughs, or hanitys

and those kool aide drinkers, and rove cronies who have another agenda

[greeneyedpookie]

6. Thank you

These "Tin Foil-er's" need to stop. People need to realize that we need to come together as a nation and help each other out, instead of de-gracing everyone for their own political beliefs.

GEP

[cry baby]

10. Hey, that is what "they" said right after our govt took us into an

illegal war. "Tin-foilers" indeed. The Tin-foilers were right about no WMDs and the lies this sh*tty administration told us.

We have heard this enough. It's our obligation as US citizens to ask questions.

I for one, can help people by doing what I can, and still try my dead-level best to get rid of this scum stinking up our white house.

Save your lecture.

[cry baby]

3. We can multi-task!

[uppityperson]

4. The first 2 days were natural disaster, the next 4 were manmade

We need to help each other get through the immediate crisis, and make sure those who blew the inadequate slow response are held accountable.
:popcorn:

When did the President make those calls to get the help that was needed? What was he doing in the meantime, those 2 days before he called, when people were drowning?

[doublethink]

9. Bush?

played guitar, ate cake. What would you have done as President? :shrug:

[bpilgrim]

5. RESCUE THE PEOPLE OF NO, NOW!

not tomorrow, not the next day, NOW got damnit :bounce:

FEMA has inexplicably failed to take advantage of offers of help.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076637

U.S. Senator Mary Landrieu, D-La., Saturday accused the Federal Emergency Management Agency of failing to accept offers that would have eased post-hurricane problems in New Orleans -- including a plan for the Forest Service to douse fires in the city with aircraft used to fight fire.

On Friday, Landrieu asked President Bush to appoint a cabinet-level official to oversee Hurricane Katrina relief and recovery efforts. She reiterated that request on Saturday.

"Yesterday, I was hoping President Bush would come away from his tour of the regional devastation triggered by Hurricane Katrina with a new understanding for the magnitude of the suffering and for the abject failures of the current Federal Emergency Management Agency," Landrieu said. "Twenty-four hours later, the President has yet to answer my call for a cabinet-level official to lead our efforts. Meanwhile, FEMA, now a shell of what it once was, continues to be overwhelmed by the task at hand.

Landrieu said that FEMA has inexplicably failed to take advantage of offers of help.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076637

psst... pass the word :bounce:
peace

[greeneyedpookie]

11. Ummmm

would you try to save people while being shot at??? Who's life do you value??? Your's or the people that were told to evac?? Granted there are the poor there that have no transportation, however this was ordered 2 days before the hurricane hit. There is always taking the bus up town or walking, or even if you are ill and not able to go anywhere, I am sure that the numerous hospitals there would have taken people in.


GEP

[bpilgrim]

14. RUMOR MONGERING

don't FALL for the RW BS

fyi

peace

[Gabi Hayes]

16. you're kidding, right?

right?

hope so

"We need to pull together, pushing aside our differences and help each other out."

sort of like all the pugs got behind whoever that guy was when we went into Kosovo, and went after binLaden....stuff like that

right?

[growlypants]

21. what flavor was it???

[greeneyedpookie]

31. MMMMMMM

Cherry!!

[growlypants]

38. good at least it wasnt the orange

[greeneyedpookie]

45. LOLOLOLOL

:rofl:

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. NO money, disabled, families with kids. You seemed to have all the

answers for someone who wasn't there and in this situation! Glad you are so sure what people could have done! Is the ignore feature working? Seems like a good time to try it out. :grr:

[Lochloosa]

23. HOW FUCKING FAR COULD YOU WALK IN TWO DAYS....

[FormerRepublican]

24. I STRONGLY disagree.

If the choice were between taking a risk that I might be shot or injured, or standing by and watching thousands of people die, the choice is clear. I, personally, would take the risk. I, personally, expect my government - which includes the MILITARY who is PAID by my tax dollars to take that risk - to take the risk that I myself am willing to take to save lives.

By your reasoning, the police should not put their lives at risk to control crime for the public good. That's a recipe for anarchy, and since that's the recipe the government followed, the results of that policy are clear on the ground in New Orleans.

You seem to be making a whole lot of excuses for a total lack of concern for human life by our government. Why?

[charlie]

27. What codswallop

This is your idea of "pulling together"?

[countingbluecars]

30. Huh?

Walk to where?

[cry baby]

33. Where do they walk to? They have no $ for a hotel even if they

could walk far enough to get out of the way!

[SmokingJacket]

47. Walking??? You wouldn't know if you were walking INTO the storm.

That's just crazy talk. It's illegal to walk on a highway median, anyway -- and where else are you going to walk? It's not as if the rural south is covered with hiking trails...

The hospitals had ENOUGH problems, as you can tell.

And the reports of people shooting at rescuers are HIGHLY exaggerated.

[blonndee]

48. ARE you f**king KIDDING ME?!?!?

Even for those who GOT to the hospitals, ARE YOU NOT AWARE of what happened to the POOR HOSPITALS?!?!?

And how are these overburdened, underfunded hospitals supposed to "take in" these people who are unable to get there?!? Have some fucking compassion, and THINK, for chrissakes!!!!

[RagingInMiami]

52. These were troops that were supposedly being shot at

If they are ordered to give their lives to "liberate" the iraqis, then why should it should it be different to help Americans.

I heard "reports" of one gunshot. Are you going to tell me that the US Military is going to back down from one sniper?

You are full of shit.

[Xipe Totec]

7. Fine by me, but...

Can we have our money back, then? The billions poured into Homeland Security? Billions which were meant to give a national response to these types of disasters?

George, where is my money? What are we paying for?

...George?

[greeneyedpookie]

17. Once you give your money to

any charity, it is theirs to deal with. So once you give blood, do you want it back after it went to a drunk driver that is suffering from massive blood loss, and the hospital is using your blood to save his/her life after an accident that he/she caused that killed an innocent person???

GEP

[growlypants]

26. WHAT FLAVOR WAS IT???????

[stlsaxman]

37. My guess would be lime...

it made pookie all green-eyed.

[growlypants]

41. i was thinking one of those new fangled flavors that comes in those

little mini Kool Aid pouches. those are easier to sneak into someones drink when they are least expecting it

[FormerRepublican]

35. Human life is always paramount!

If I give blood and it saves a human life, regardless of whose it is, then giving blood serves the purpose to which it is intended.

In contrast, I paid tax dollars to a government who decided that our lives were not worth saving - and so, kept the money, but refused to do the job for which they were paid. If a charity did this, they could be charged with fraud. Look it up.

The actions by the Federal Government in this instance are nothing less than complete dereliction of duty and comes very close to, if not meets the criteria of, criminally negligent homicide. My tax dollars pay for this?

Wake up and smell the coffee. Your government is stealing your money, abscounding with it, and giving you the finger when you expect service in return for your cash.

[gumby]

36. Since you're a sponge,

maybe you can absorb the fact that Homeland Security is a Federal Government Agency paid for by OUR tax dollars. DUH!

[growlypants]

43. OMG!!! That was funny. THANKS for the laugh!

:rofl:

[Horse with no Name]

50. Government isn't charity

We pay taxes under the assumption that our government is supposed to keep us reasonably safe.
Apples and oranges.
Reasonably safe includes funding projects that will keep us safe--not throwing our money straight down a rabbit hole called Halliburton.
I don't know what you base your rant on, cause it certainly isn't the facts...but you are way out of line.

[aquart]

8. There was nothing natural about this disaster. It was manmade.

Global warming is manmade. The destruction of the wetlands is manmade. The failure to plan for an anticipated disaster was manmade.

The man in charge of this nation is George W. Bush. He appointed the head of Homeland Security. He chose Michael Brown. Bush CHOSE to play golf rather than rushing to see the scope of the disaster.

Americans died who survived the hurricane BECAUSE of George's choices.

The blame belongs to George.

And if you can't handle blame, then you might want to turn off the tv and radio, and not look at any newstands for a while.

What happened was unconscionable and I will NEVER forgive it. I suspect I'm not alone.

[Lochloosa]

19. aquart I have your back...

I am so outraged at this....what do you call it..murder? just evil?..what you tell me...

[greeneyedpookie]

29. Ohhh, ok

Global warming has been around for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This all started with this pResident????????????????
Look into history!!!! This "Global Warming" has been around since I was a kid when Regan was president!!

Want to blame global warming on someone, blame the companies that manufacture the products that contribute to the cause, and the Countries that these companies are placed in; India, China, Russia, Germany, France... Should I go on???

GEP

[gumby]

42. Yes,

Why don't you go on?

[greeneyedpookie]

44. do you want me too???

n/t

[gumby]

49. Sure.

You really think there are TWO political parties (aside from the letters R and D)?

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Bush declared a State of Emergency before Katrina Hit

from that point forward the entire response to the disaster became his responsibility. Too bad he was too busy playing guitar and eating cake to bother responding.

[markus]

13. The civil war has already begun

This won't stop it. The freepers are making it worse. Bush has failed the nation and hundreds, if not thousands, have died as a result.

We will not let this go.

We will not dishonor those dead.

[FormerRepublican]

15. I STRONGLY Disagree.

The Bush Administration has basically told states "you're on your own" in their efforts to limit (strangle) government. The problem with that approach is that MAJOR CRISES are simply TOO BIG to be handled at the local level. There are simply not enough resources!

In this case, that criminally negligent failure to assist states with a MAJOR CRISIS has cost American lives. There is NO EXCUSE for that, and the buck stops at the White House who set the policy.

Even worse, their OWN policies ceded responsibility to the feds, they failed to hold up their end of the deal, and now they're trying to pin the blame everywhere except where it belongs. They screwed up BIG TIME, and it has cost American lives. Not one, not two, but maybe hundreds or thousands of American lives. That is NOT ACCEPTABLE!

To be honest, I question why you're justifying the government, to whom we pay taxes and whose activities we fund, abandoning us in our most desperate need to support some political philosophy (or worse, the power of a political party and it's ideology) and allowing us to die. That is UNACCEPTABLE and I WILL NOT be silent!

Bush WILL take responsibility for what he has done. No argument, no spin, no excuses. IMO, it's YOU who should be silent!

[glarius]

20. George Bush gutted FEMA as Clinton had it and privatized a lot of it!

Therefore George Bush deserves to be called for it!

[gumby]

25. Umm, what are we supposed to "come together" about?

I see deliberate genocide.

I don't think I'll "come together" on that one.

In fact, I think I will scream and yell and nash my teeth and cry and scream and yell some more. Then I'll do whatever I can to remove the people in power who deliberately let this happen -- either by plan or by ideology.

I will never, ever "come together" about what happened in New Orleans, or the rest of the Gulf Coast.

If you want to lay down with mass murderers, that's unfortunate. Don't expect me to EVER recognize a plea to do the same.

[tnlefty]

28. Sorry, I'll help anyone who didn't vote for Dimson**.

I'll be civil to anyone who doesn't still support him. There are survivors of Katrina in my county, and I intend to make some major efforts to help them out. I wouldn't piss on a Bush** supporter/defender if his/her guts were on fire. I will call them morally bankrupt motherf*#^ers, though. :hi:

[doublethink]

32. Your whole argument in this thread is absurd.......

not based anywhere near reality. Why respond? I won't, have a nice day......... :hi:

[greeneyedpookie]

34. ok

you too, good night

GEP

[Mnemosyne]

39. "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

MLK!

[Q]

40. How naive can you get?

The Bushies don't want to 'come together' with us. They want to own us. Brand us like cattle.

This has little to do with a 'natural disaster'. This is about the 2000 coup and fascists taking away our democracy and government for their own greedy purposes. They have raped and plundered our nation's resources. They misuse our military to start aggressive wars...sucking dry our treasury to pay war profiteers. They have 'privatized' our federal government to the point where there is nothing left to serve the people.

We're WAY past the point of working with these fascists. Our nation can't survive as long as they're in power and working outside the Constitution and rule of law. Bush and his cronies must be forced to resign for the good of the nation.

[RagingInMiami]

46. Bush cut funding to protect the Gulf Coast from such a disaster

He waited four days to send in help, eating cake, playing guitar, while people were dying.

You are just as out of touch as the republicans. The "united" states is a fucking myth. It always has been. And finally, finally, the world sees it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. You're absolutely correct! Enough is enough of posts like yours....

...because it is readily apparent that you want to deliberately ignore what's unfolded before your very eyes. Herr Busch failed to react and people died. Period.

Here's the bottom line...Herr Busch has the last say on everything that happens in response to a natural disaster or terrorist attack. That buck CANNOT be passed to anyone else...it is superglued to Herr Busch's forehead, front and center.

As far as your inference that the governors didn't make the calls quickly enough, the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi made the calls BEFORE the storm struck, and Alabama was very quick to follow.

[The Magistrate]

53. Locking

Continuation of a flame-war from another, locked thread.