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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:42 PM
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Ben Stein: Wanker - A Rebuttal to "Get off his back"
http://www.americanprowler.com/util/print.asp?art_id=8693

Ben Stein is out and about defending his god from the truth in his latest article, Get Off His Back which ran in smearzine, The American Spectator.

Let's look at Mr. Stein's defense of the indefensible.

1.) The hurricane that hit New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama was an astonishing tragedy. The suffering and loss of life and peace of mind of the residents of those areas is acutely horrifying.

Beware NeoCons bearing sympathy. Whenever you hear an opening statement like this, prepare to bleed rectally.

2.) George Bush did not cause the hurricane. Hurricanes have been happening for eons. George Bush did not create them or unleash this one.

And just when has ANYONE accused Bush of causing the hurricane? Could you point to a single editorial in a mainstream newspaper or magazine that does this?

3.) George Bush did not make this one worse than others. There have been far worse hurricanes than this before George Bush was born.

No one has accused Bush of "making worse", they are accusing him of making the aftermath worse. Bush had no control over the hurricane, but he DID have control over preparations before and after the hurricane.

4.) There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists. There is no clear evidence that if it does exist it makes hurricanes more powerful or makes them aim at cities with large numbers of poor people. If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters -- China, India, and Brazil. In a word, George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane. To speculate otherwise is belief in sorcery.

Global warming does exist, and only idiots who believe in fairy tales like "intelligent design" believe otherwise.

No one ever claimed global warming makes hurricanes aim for cities with poor, black people. Ben is either drunk, high, or simply making shit up.

The only people who profess a belief in "sorcery" are those who claim to talk to an invisible man in the sky and that this invisible man will actually perform deeds which violate the laws of physics and causality. You know, people like George Bush.

6.) George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation.

First, George Bush appointed the man at FEMA responsible for failing to properly implement these plans. Since George has not summarily fired this goofball, he is responsible for what happened. Also, the states lacked the resources to deal with a disaster of this magnitude, which is why we have a Federal government to step in. Also, the citizens of Louisiana pay FEDERAL taxes for just this reason.

George Bush WAS instrumental in the destruction of FEMA by appointing politcal hacks with NO experience in dealing with disasters. Bush was also responsible for the budgetary process which removed funds that were needed to shore up the levees protecting New Orleans. The money for these projects was given to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts.

It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be.

The vast majority of the people trapped in New Orleans did not "neglect" to follow orders. When you aren't rich like Ben Stein or George Bush, you may not have the money or resources to go some place else. I am sure that many of these people would have loved to jump on a jet and fly to their other home in Kennebunkport or Crawford, but for some reason they didn't.

They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans.

No, but it was his responsiblity as chief executive to look after these people with all of the resources we the people, placed at his disposal. He failed to do this and for that we hold him responsible.

His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.

You love this specious reasoning, don't you?

Bush took an OATH to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, the preamble of which states:

We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare...

Strangely, the words "justice", "tranquility" and "welfare" are CAPITALIZED in the original document, as if the Founding Fathers wanted to EMPHASIZE those responsibilities.

Using the resources of the Federal government to help evacuate the poor, the sick, the elderly and the young from the path of a hurricane would fall under the heading "promote the general Welfare" in most people's book. It certainly would insure "domestic Tranquility".

I also note that the word "defense" in the phrase "provide for the common defense" is NOT capitalized. Again, it makes one wonder about the priorities of the Founding Fathers. It would seem that they placed a lesser emphasis on "defense" unless it threatened our "Welfare" and "Tranquility", a criteria that Bush's fiasco in Iraq fails to meet.

7.) George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops, did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome, did not make looters steal hundreds of weapons, in short make New Orleans into a living hell.

Again, like most NeoCon dickheads with a poor grasp of science, you don't understand causality.

Had he deployed the National Guard when it was needed, rather than three of four days later, the Superdome would have been secured, looting would have been discouraged and "hundreds" of guns would not have been stolen.

8.) George Bush is the least racist President in mind and soul there has ever been and this is shown in his appointments over and over. To say otherwise is scandalously untrue.

The Nazis had lots of Jews that worked for them in the Warsaw ghettos, so by your logic they were the soul of enlightenment. It is not that you hire them, it is how you treat them. George Bush's record of treatment of Black America is a study in how to screw a minority.

And to scandalize you a bit further, let me say that just because Bush has a black girlfriend and made her Secretary of State does not make him William Lloyd Garrison. Strom Thrumond had a black mistress and was one of the greatest racists of the 20th Century.

9.) George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can. He is not a magician. It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

A man doing all he can, would not have spent his time strumming guitars while a hurricane was threatening the lives of 1.3 million people. The work that he STARTED doing AFTER the disaster hit was what he should have been doing BEFORE the disaster.

10.) There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency. To say otherwise is pure slander.

When you take men and equipment out of the state and move them 8,000 miles away, they cannot be used to rescue people or restore order. Only a bald-faced liar or a mental defective would dispute this reality.

11.) If the energy the news media puts into blaming Bush for an Act of God worsened by stupendous incompetence by the New Orleans city authorities and the malevolence of the criminals of the city were directed to helping the morale of the nation, we would all be a lot better off.

The fact that the media has finally woken up and stopped acting as the propoganda arm of the government is a happy occasion for the forces of liberty and justice. The fact that it pisses you off is rather telling.

12.) New Orleans is a great city with many great people. It will recover and be greater than ever. Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed the process by one day.

Well, as we can't get our hands on Bush and place him in the deepest, darkest, most rat-infested dungeon we can find for war crimes, and gross violations of the Constitution, we'll settle for effigies. We will try to make them look more like him if it makes you happy.

13.) The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.

If it was run with the efficiency that Bill Clinton ran FEMA, then it would have been quite a treat. But since you have asked for speculation, I try to imagine a world where lickspittles like you realize that the Clintons left Washington over four years ago.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:46 PM
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1. Ben Stein protests too much
What are you covering up Ben?
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:49 PM
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3. I think he's still covering for Nixon. n/t
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:48 PM
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2. I hope you are sending this rebuttal
to his wanking self Kelvin. He needs taken down many pegs.
I have the pins!
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:57 PM
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15. I'll probably be sued for "copyright infringement"
for quoting his text. Not that he would have a case, just the money. :)
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:50 PM
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4. In other words Ben Stein just admitted they are homocidal incompetent.....
Maniacs.. Good for you Stein. Now burn in hell, with the rest of your displaced propaganda and let the RESIGNATIONS BEGIN!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:51 PM
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5. Is this the Ben Stein who does asinine tv commercials?
Gray, thinning hair & glasses? Or is this someone else? (It's a very common name obviously.)
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:53 PM
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7. We never told Bush and Rice to remain on vacation
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:54 PM
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8. he was the classroom teacher in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"
"Bueller.........Bueller..........."
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:59 PM
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16. Comedy Central "Win Ben Stein's Money"
The teacher in "Ferris Buelers Day Off"



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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:52 PM
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6. Good rebuttal (but one nit)
The Founders capitalized Justice, Tranquility, and Welfare in the Preamble because they were nouns. It was common practice in official documents back then to capitalize all nouns.

Other than that, spot on. Stein is dragging a lot of red herrings across the debate about why Bush stayed on vacation for 48 hours after we knew Katrina would hit New Orleans. Or why he waited another seven days before mobilizing the USAF Air Command in Arkansas to assist in the rescue and provisions efforts. Or why they kept the Red Cross our of New Orleans for a whole week. Or why the government ignored the problems in the New Orleans hurrican planning discovered almost a year ago.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:10 PM
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11. the point was that those nouns were capitalized but not "defence"
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:00 AM
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32. A scribal error; nothing more. These men had just finished a war after all
I've read plenty of primary source texts from the 18th Century. They had different rules about capitalization back then and applied them inconsistantly. They thought defense was important. Shays's Rebellion was one of the politcal turmoils that pushed support for the Constitution over the threshhold. They certainly thought everything in the Preamble was hugely important. Today we'd call the Preamble a "mission statement." But the common defense was not of a lesser importance.

Not until Bush nonresponded to Katrina hitting New Orleans, that is.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:02 AM
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33. I'll have to revise that part then
Don't want to make invalid assumption or claims. I'd be offered a job at FEMA.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:02 PM
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17. Isn't "defence" a noun
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 11:03 PM by Kelvin Mace
in that context then?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:13 AM
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37. Good catch. It's not capitalized in the preamble, but it is capitalized ..
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 12:15 AM by TahitiNut
... in Article I, Section 8, which says:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; ...

It's an interesting anomaly.

For what it's worth, the grammatical rule requiring capitalization of all nouns, not just proper nouns, comes from the Germanic languages. It's a rule still followed today in German.

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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:54 PM
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9. It'd be interesting to see his reaction if you sent this to him. eom.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:57 PM
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10. A civilized man thinks:
Ben has a super weapon: boredom!

Between the writing and his speaking voice, ya just want to bludgeon yourself over the head to make it stop.
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BQueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:11 PM
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12. wow! the army of strawmen cometh....
I guess since Ben can't rebut any of the actual points people are making, he decided to drop acid and get creative...

great rebuttals - and I've meant to mention that I get a kick out of your avatar, Loveless was my favorite "villain" on WWW growing up.

nominated, and if you haven't seen it, check out E&P chief's editorial http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054581

'My Pet Goat'--The Sequel
By Greg Mitchell

(September 03, 2005) -- While a rising chorus in the press has taken the White House, FEMA and the Pentagon to task for performing miserably in their response to the human disaster on the Gulf Coast, few have focused on the most telling aspect of the entire failure. It’’s not just incompetence. It’’s a shameful lack of concern: The 9/11 ““My Pet Goat”” dithering on an administration-wide scale.

Simply stated, the president and his top advisers chose vacation over action.

While the media has done a good job in portraying the overall deadly failure of leadership, it has not focused enough on this deadly dereliction of duty.
*****

and a great email on AssSullivan's site from a reformed R.
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2005_08_28_dish_archive.html#112576191403113173

snip
Some people say that you can't hold the President responsible for this. Oh, yes you can. Because when he looked over at John Ashcroft after the jets hit the towers and said, "I want you to make sure this never happens again," it was not meant to be specific to "no more planes hitting large buildings on the East Coast, right, boss." It was meant that no American should have to run for his life through an American city. While Americans may perish in a senseless, unforeseen disaster, we'd save the ones we could.

And the Cabinet appointees were mushwits and he could barely speak a complete sentence and we're sending people overseas for God knows how long to help people who are indifferent at worst and hostile at best, but they were going to protect us. In 2004, that's all a lot of us needed. Well right now, it's obvious that they can't.

Ask yourself this: What if Al-Qaeda blew up the levees instead of the hurricane? Would the response have been any different?
snip
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:05 PM
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19. Thanks, Miguelito was a class act
The actor was a fascinating man.

Thanks for the E&P link, also.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:14 PM
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13. Isn't it part of a hurricane "contingency" plan to expect that 20% will
not evacuate? I heard that on CNN the other day. We need to find links to support this, to show it's an expected part of emergency preparedness.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:20 PM
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14. Noma-friggn-nated.
Love it love it. Thank you SO much.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:04 PM
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18. There's your fifth nomination. Good work, but I'm sorry
I couldn't finish reading it. I only got to the part about "His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile." and just had to stop, because it's late at night and I don't want to wake the kids up with the noise of me punching holes in the wall from pure rage.

That son of a bitch. Who the FUCK does he think he is?

Redstone
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:08 PM
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20. Know the feeling, and walls hurt.
Ben Stein THINKS he's and intellectual when he's actually just a boring ass-kisser who spun as single bit of schtick into career. I would love to see him go mano-a-mano with someone like Joe Conason, Al Franken, or Molly Ivans.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:28 AM
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38. you're right about the single bit of schtick
He does voiceovers for a show on Nickelodeon too, and it's the same old same old.

He's a one-trick pony.

Well, two tricks, I guess: droning in a supposedly comical manner and kissing nasty Republican ass.
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:09 PM
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21. It's really too bad his article reads like:
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:12 PM
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23. It is also too bad I picked tonight to post
This is going to get lost in the Rehnquist posts.

Oh well :)
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:22 PM
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27. People like Ben need a Karma spanking!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:12 PM
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22. Ben Stein defended Nixon until the end.
We know how that turned out. When all you got left to defend you is Ben Stein, kiss your job good-bye.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:15 PM
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25. actually he defended him well after the end
not just of his Presidency but his life. As recently as a couple of months ago he was defending Nixon (when deepthroat let his ID be known)
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:14 PM
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24. Ben Stein - whining little civet
Who is this weaselly little civet, and who told him anybody wanted to hear his Freeptard opinions anyway.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:18 PM
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26. Those aren't strawmen, more like strawdogs.
Poor people are dying of hunger and thirst, and Ben fucking Stein is furiously eating Bush's putrid ass?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:03 AM
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34. Well, I would choose death
to Ben's diet.

Ick!!
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:24 PM
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28. For what it's worth . . . sent to the editor . . .
Tell Ben Stein to shut the fuck up

I personally am too tired and angry over the short-sightedness and outright fuck-ups of George Bush that have resulted in the deaths of thousands (9/11, Iraq, exposing CIA operatives, Hurricane Katrina . . . whatever) to make much of an argument. I'll let someone else do that.

But I'll tell you this. I'd happily ride that criminal Bush's ass all the way to the friggin' Hague. I don't know how you true conservatives continue to defend this monster and not feel dirty. The man's heart is full of dead men's bones and I need a shower just watching the asshole stutter through his pointless speeches and prescreened photo-ops.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:34 PM
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29. There's Lies, damnable lies, then there's Ben Stein.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 11:35 PM by BiggJawn
"It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans."

With what Il Douche has done to the growing economy left us by Bill Clinton, I most certainly DO say it's Il Douche's fault that there's people who can't afford cars in NOLA.

" There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency. To say otherwise is pure slander."

So sue me, schmoiger. There's not the slightest evidence at all, outside of you Neo-cons applying the Goebbels Principal that the NG response is as robust as it could have been if 2/3 of the guard wasn't over in Iraq-Nam getting the asses blown off.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:53 PM
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30. "The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking
callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care".

Mr. Stein - the point was that the entire episode was a dramatic lesson in private enterprise diminishing role of government purposely - as is Bush #1 policy.

When government policy is done with expertise & professionalism - it is not a mess. It is only a mess when Bush puts Function-nots at the hightest level of government agencies in order to diminish the agency, the government, the idea of the public good.

Mr. Stein, the reason why every other western country in the world and some newly industrialized have public health care is because it it both 1) more equitable 2) more efficient than private health care delivery.




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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:59 PM
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31. Fuck that soporific shill
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:04 AM
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35. Ben Stein can kiss my ass.
I hate his fucking guts and I hope he burns in hell.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:06 AM
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36. Come on now,
don't be coy. What do you really thing ;)

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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:10 AM
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39. He's a douchebag
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:54 AM
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40. Ben Stein: Convincing evidence against intelligent design. eom
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:21 AM
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42. So true
how this ass clown got a reputation as an "intellectual" is laughable.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:14 AM
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41. with a little Clinton-bashing at the end for good measure
they really need to upgrade these talking points. It's almost sad.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:24 AM
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43. The shorter Ben Stein
Blah, blah, blah, victims fault, blah, blah, governor's fault, blah, blah, blah, Bush has a huge penis and I worship it, blah, blah, blah, mayor's fault, blah, blah, blah, blah, I want to have Bush's baby, blah, blah, blah, Clinton's fault.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:37 AM
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44. More straw men than "The Blair Witch Project"
What a sophistic pile of crap!
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:40 AM
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45. Speaking of fingernails on chalkboards, was Stein on Sunday Morning
on CBS? I didn't watch it today.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:01 PM
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46. I didn't see him
but then he's not exactly an "A" list pundit.
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2bfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:14 PM
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47. What an asshole.
How cruel to say things like that during a time like this. :(
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