What would happen if Americans converge on the White House

[RagingInMiami]

Blacks. Whites. Vets. Liberals. Mothers and fathers who have lost their sons and daughters in Iraq. Everybody else who is pissed off right now.


What would happen if we all converge on the White House and demand the resignation of the shrub. And we stay put like Cindy Sheehan did in Crawford as more people join the crowd.

Would that ever happen in this country? Are we ready for that? Has it ever happened before?

[Must_B_Free]

1. that scream weapon

[shanti]

14. or the zapper

microwave blasts.

[wli]

2. I'm too scared to answer that question. n/t

[SofaKingLiberal]

3. Sounds like a plan

[Gloria]

4. I have repeated dreams of crowds storming the WH and the Court...

I mean, I'm ready.

[Qibing Zero]

5. I don't know what will happen,

but I think we're not that far from it. Jefferson would have argued for it years ago if he were still alive, I'm sure.

[Erika]

6. We're about there

I have decided I will no longer pay taxes. He is imperialistic and does not protect our own citizens from disasters.

If Cindy can do it, so will I.

[stevietheman]

7. "The only thing to fear is fear itself."

Just do it, because it's right. Obviously, Congresscritters are too stupid to impeach/remove him, so it's up to the people to take action, and yes, bear the consequences.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Probably something like this

http://www.hampsteadchamber.com/A%20Southern%20Primer/hoover.htm

Against the advice of his assistant, Major Dwight D. Eisenhower, MacArthur had taken personal command of the operation. President Hoover had ordered MacArthur to clear Pennsylvania Avenue only, but MacArthur immediately began to clear all of downtown Washington, herding the Marchers out and torching their huts and tents. Tear gas was used liberally and many bricks were thrown, but no shots were fired during the entire operation. By 8:00 p.m. the downtown area had been cleared and the bridge across the Anacostia River, leading to the Hooverville where most of the Marchers lived, was blocked by several tanks.

That evening Hoover sent duplicate orders via two officers to MacArthur forbidding him to cross the Anacostia to clear the Marchers' camp, but MacArthur flatly ignored the President's orders, saying that he was 'too busy' and could not be 'bothered by people coming down and pretending to bring orders'.

MacArthur crossed the Anacostia at 11:00 p.m., routed the marchers along with 600 of their wives and children out of the camp, and burned it to the ground. Then, incredibly, he called a press conference at midnight where he praised Hoover for taking the responsibility for giving the order to clear the camp.

[spuddonna]

9. Yeah, that's an excellent idea...

How do we get poor people like me there? lol :)

[conflictgirl]

10. Now THAT would make the National Guard get dispatched in a hurry! nt

nt

[nonconformist]

11. Tear gas. A faster and larger military response than for Katrina. nt

[rawtribe]

12. Crystal Night

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERcrystal.htm

[MadeinOhio]

13. A Kent State disaster would happen. Then that would be the last resort.

Bush-fraud and his staff would be revealed as the coward racist imposters they are. We would converge on their base and take down the traitors.

Our guns or weapons would destroy what was left of Cheney's security detail and it would be over. It would finally be OVER.

The question is, when will we do this and get to that point? And make sure the revolution is televised with DSM in LIVING COLOR?

:mad: :mad: :banghead: :argh:

[wli]

18. It would be far larger than Kent State or Tianenmen Square.

There isn't going to be a "security detail" to see. You would get bombed from the air and mopped up with machine gun turrets on the underside of helicopters. I would not expect survivors, nor any MSM coverage.

[wli]

19. It would be far larger than Kent State or Tianenmen Square.

There isn't going to be a "security detail" to see. You would get bombed from the air and mopped up with machine gun turrets on the underside of helicopters. I would not expect survivors, nor any MSM coverage.

[MadeinOhio]

22. You over-estimate PNAC. They are true traitors and cowards.

They wouldn't bomb the whole area because it would also blow up the White House, you can rest assured, the media would be covering it from the helicopters.

[wli]

36. PNAC just gives the orders. Vaguely competent military would do it. n/t

[undergroundpanther]

20. Today is a good day to die as any day.

I will not go down by my own hand(however I get tempted) or be murdered by the hand of some bully piece of shit.I have hated my life but I hate bullies tyrants and assholes like bush worse. Abusive pricks like the neocons they give trauma... the gift that never stops hurting..

[brettdale]

15. We will see on September 24th

We will see on September 24th what will happen.

[RagingInMiami]

41. I am unaware of what is going down on Sept. 24th

[EFerrari]

16. After WW1, vets marched on Washington, didn't they?

And, didn't they bring down that administration?

On edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

[MadeinOhio]

17. This one is more stubborn and callous. But they are true cowards. n/t

[wli]

21. They did not. They were slaughtered.

The general in charge remained secure in his position until well after WWII, if not promoted.

[EFerrari]

24. Hoover was not re-elected, is what I was thinking.

You're right though. There was a price.

[MadeinOhio]

25. You need to brush up on your history..

They did not fall after WW1, and the general didn't get promoted. You're thinking of Stalin and their aides.

[wli]

28. what on earth?

I said that they did not "fall." There is no question in my mind here. Hoover withstood the protest, and was not immpeached. I also doubt it had any effect on his reelection.

McArthur went on to a lavish assignment supervising the Philippines (the "promotion") and participated in WWII. Patton and Eisenhower likewise faced no censure whatsoever for their actions in the matter.

Please clarify your objections.

[MadeinOhio]

29. Hoover was thrown out shortly thereafter...

I'm not sure how it affected the generals or anything there. I only read this from a book recently.

[EFerrari]

30. If memory serves (which it may not!) William Manchester

seemed to believe it made a good deal of difference in Hoover's re-eleciton campaign. Hoover looked weak. But, it's been years since I read "The Glory and The Dream".

[Charlie Brown]

23. Just like Russia in 1905

We'd all be shot.

[wli]

27. So the US gets a "bloody Saturday" to match Russia's "bloody Sunday"

Not an ideal outcome, I'm not sure it can even be averted with nonviolence, especially not in Bushler's Reich.

[RagingInMiami]

32. I thought "bloody sunday" occurred in Northern Ireland

Does Russia have one too?

[wli]

34. Yes, on 3 Jan 1905 (Russian calendar) n/t

[EFerrari]

26. Every city and many smaller communities have Federal Buildings.

A protest could be organized that way as well, locally. Where we would have more support for a lawful demonstration.

[Meeker Morgan]

31. Nothing violent would happen, unless ...

... the protestors tried to go over the fence.

Bush would be at an undisclosed location, anyway.

Demand his resignation? Sure, to make a point.

But don't expect him to do it.

[MadeinOhio]

35. No, not only expect him to do it. SEE him doing it.....

People give the whole lot of them too much credit, so much its scary. They're nothing but the wizard of oz reborn, they use FEAR as their only weapon and everyone knows what their real weakness is.

They are cowards, plain and simple and when faced with the wrath of the people will quickly implode. Even after casualties.

[autorank]

33. When a DEMs in, they're all over the WH. But Republicans, Teflon Reagan

was the excuse for the press not to dig deeper. After all, if they call him "teflon" they don't have to do any real work.

[nashbridges]

37. If you don't cross the fence

Then nothing will happen. I walk past the White House every day, and there are people who are protesting the administration who have been there for years.

If you cross the fence? You will be killed. Hate your life all you want, but don't die stupidly. If you make a threatening move against the WH (crossing the fence) then not only will they kill you but they will be justified by every law that exists in this city. And every news outlet will carry the story about how threatening you were - not how noble.

So the lesson here is: Don't cross the fence. My wedding pictures include a group of people protesting our invasion of Afghanistan, right in front of the White House in Layfayette Park. They were there for a month - but they didn't cross the fence.

[MadeinOhio]

38. So do it with the media watching and stay in the middle of the fence.

Not crossing but not behind it. Get in the spotlight with thousands of others and stay there, make the crowd reach rising levels.

The "semi competent" military won't be able to destroy the crowd and PNAC will be shamed into looking the stupidest, what they hate above all else.

[w13rd0]

40. We had some of our nations largest protests...

...prior to their launching their invasion. The MSM didn't cover it, and wrote us off as "anti-war extremists" in the "several hundreds". And the MILLIONS that marched in other nations...they were "anti-American". Even if you could get just 10% of the people that voted against this prick (5.5 million) to march, it wouldn't mean a damn thing if countered by a complicit corporate media and well-funded pr firm. This isn't Serbia, Bush and his cronies and masters are far more ruthless, wealthy and cunning than Milosevic.

[MadeinOhio]

45. Well we've finally penetrated that last wall.

The corporate media is fed up now after seeing the horrifying truth. CNN would cover it. If no one else did, CNN would do their damn jobs.

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[intheflow]

42. Sept. 24 in DC.

Yes, it's happened before. I think the protest in September is going to rock the blocks in DC. I'm for surrounding the WH perimeter, permits be damned. Non-violently, of course. But civil disobedience all the way. So WHAT if they arrest us all? If we fill the jails because of our compassion, if non-violent people fill the jails, it will make national news and look even worse/less compassionate for BushCo.

[Lilyhoney]

43. And then what????????

Who will lead this country????? Should we break off into the divided states of america????????

I am serious. And then what?????

[Terran1212]

44. We'd be gassed and beaten and informers and agents would get our pictures

That's pretty much what the department of homeland security's, which I roleplayed for once and my sister interns at, plan for anything like that.

You have to understand, protests are only allowed with permits and legalities. We can't do what you can do in venezuela or ukraine.

It'd be like a light version of Tianemen Square