Police have killed at least a dozen in New Orleans today

[blitzen]

according to guest (a city attorney for New Orleans) speaking now on WBRZ TV in Baton Rouge


anchor man (John Pastorek) says, "These are extreme times, I guess they call for extreme measures."

[iconoclastic cat]

1. Holy crap! n/t

[whistle]

2. No due process, just orders to shoot on sight!!!

[qanda]

3. Let the cleansing begin

[me b zola]

23. The UN should be notified about this

:cry:

[MelissaB]

4. Recommending

:cry:

[Tyranny_R_US]

5. OH THEY CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES!

Hey Bush and Blanco you gave the orders for these people to be massacred are you going to stop it?

[bushisanidiot]

14. This is probably why blanco didn't want to give complete control to awol

because she knew he'd come in with guns a blazing instead of the needed medical help and survival supplies that louisiana needs

[Sugarbleus]

32. BINGO, EXACTAMUNDO...................

All them redneck talking heads in the begining of this unfolding crisis were talking about ZERO TOLERANCE and punishing to the fullest extent of the law..pracitcally coming out of their seats foaming at the mouth.

I understand gang activity and raping and shooting BUT...those are not the looters we all saw on TV. The so called looters were MOSTLY taking supplies to survive on. Many people ended up passing the stuff out to others for their benefit, fercrissake

Hell, some idiots on radio are STILL talking about "the looters the looters" "What business did they have in stealing pants and shoes" blah blah.

Jesus H. Christ, what is WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE!!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

57. Jesus H. Christ, what is WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE!!

Looting is only good if your initials are Halliburton.

[Wcross]

6. I have heard of people shooting looters in Hattiesburg.

On another board I frequent, a guys brother in law who owns a gunshop has killed at least 4 people attempting to loot the place. I guess they will stop when they notice a pile of dead bodies in the street in front of the store?

[Judi Lynn]

20. I've seen very slow-witted people make cracks like that

and stand around snorting, honking, giggling with each other, their hammy shoulders shaking with retarded mirth.

I can't imagine that they think normal people see them as clever, as only the thickest, most ignorant people think that way. Everyone knows this other than them, apparently.

They have no idea how ugly they are.

[Wcross]

25. Cracks like what? The pile of bodies lying in the street?

How "slow witted" do you have to be to understand that the looting of a gunstore would be a bad thing. How slow witted would one have to be to attempt looting an occupied business that sells firearms?

[Tyranny_R_US]

29. Exactly!

"W"cross how "slow witted" are you not to consider that maybe these people were just trying to ask for help,just walking by or trying to rescue the people who were shot?

[Wcross]

34. These people were attempting to enter the store.

I guess the owner should have just handed out all his inventory????
I am not "slow witted" enough to believe these people were shot for no other reason than being on the street.

[struggle4progress]

36. Got any evidence for this? A link, f'rinstance? eom

[mattclearing]

37. Perhaps they had cash?

It's entirely possible they were willing to buy something or barter. This "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality is ludicrous.

[Zynx]

51. Who said he shot them without identifying them?

[mongo]

22. If I was that store owner - I'd be shooting people too

You would get exactly one warning from me.

Sorry, but especially in his situation as a gun store owner, he is not only protecting his own property, but keeping more guns out of the hands of criminals.

[Wcross]

28. It is his duty to keep the firearms out of criminal hands.

I would dare say he should be prosecuted if he allowed those guns out the door in the hands of a criminal. What gets me is they kept coming with bodies laid out in the street in front of the store.

[Name removed]

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[mongo]

41. Thank you!

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[Wcross]

45. Store owner was not bragging.

You are great at assumptions. I have no idea what race the store owner is or what race the looters were. I am just reporting that I heard a gun shop owner had shot 4 looters. I am not glad these people are dead. I am glad they didn't add to the misery down there by putting more guns on the street during this disaster.
You are being irrational. You assume the dead people are black. You are assuming I am happy about the fact they are dead.

What was your question Tyranny?

[tammywammy]

52. You're exactly right

If would be criminal if the owner allowed the looters to take the guns.

[Name removed]

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[Wcross]

40. Your assuming those shot were black.

Gee, when people get upset they really jump to conclusions. I have no Idea what race the people that were attempting to loot the place were. I guess your opinion of black people is clear though.

[Tyranny_R_US]

44. You're deflecting again Wcross *chuckles*

[Wcross]

47. You have lost your mind.

Ask the question I am deflecting again. I must have missed it when you made your now deleted post.

I ask you, would it be a GOOD thing to throw the doors open in the name of hurricane aid? A freaking GUNSTORE?

[Zynx]

48. What idiot tries to loot an occupied GUN STORE? Darwin awards here

[Wcross]

50. SHHHHH- you will be accused of being a racist if you agree!

Geez, I am already an honorary member of some group called "stormfront" because of what I posted. The guy that nominated me doesn't even know if I am jewish or african American or what! Be careful Zynx!

[Zynx]

49. Double post. Delete.

n/t

[stickdog]

54. I have heard of freepers spreading violent, hate-filled bullshit.

[Roy]

55. why is it always somebody heard that somebody else....

This is the same as the stolen FEMA equipment, police deserting in droves, helicopters shot at, and the endless nothing rumors that have been rampant throughout this whole catastrophe.

What is the motivation for adding to it?

RW have a habit of instantly morphing into experts, professionals, owners of, related to, or anything else where their anonymity keeps them safe from scrutiny.

Watch C-span for example, as hard as it is to get in on the phone lines, every other repub caller is a doctor, teacher, scientist, police officer, veteran, or whatever, depending on what the topic is.

[peacetalksforall]

7. It is a cleansing indeed. n/t

[K8-EEE]

8. Why NOW?

Why after most people are evacuated do they start "law and ordering?" Honestly I thought when they suspended evacs, "shit! They are going to strand THOUSANDS because of a few hoodlums? SHOOT THEM IF THEY SHOOT AT RESCUERS, AND RESCUE THE PEOPLE."

In other words --STAY THE COURSE IN NOLA -- they don't leave IRAQ no matter how many of our people are attacked there.

[MadeinOhio]

12. Its called racist cleansing population control......

Their morals stop for nothing....they care for nothing but their image.

[G_j]

9. police..

and no word on the "battle-hardened" NG and marines.

remember (from Iraq) they don't do civilian body counts

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. Rummie's running the show

This is a military operation, not a relief effort.

[Solly Mack]

11. Damn them

[bushisanidiot]

13. Stealing gets you the death penalty in AWOL Bush's ameriKKKa

are they wearing their white sheets while they shoot people?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

58. Not if your initials are Halliburton. nt.

[RBHam]

15. If you didn't get out - you're dead.

Good luck in the future - this is the future.

You're next.

[tuckessee]

16. If the cops killed a dozen

then the "troops" have probably shot hundreds.

I think local cops would be a little more hesitant to waste their neighbors than a bunch of out-of-state NG's or trigger happy "troops" already desensitized from the carnage they caused in Iraq.

[Retired AF Dem]

21. I see one person here that does not support the troops

at least you are honest about it. Just remember they didnt take it apon themselves to go to iraq and cause carnage.

[TankLV]

26. WTF?

Are you lost?

Get lost!

[Retired AF Dem]

27. WTF

Read his post.

[tuckessee]

39. Oh, I forgot.

"They were only following orders".

If that worked for the Reich then it works for me.

I now support any outrage committed by an American serviceman or servicewoman as long as it is delegated from above.

[mongo]

30. Great - make up some BS about the National Guard

You seem to forget - they are Americans too. They are not in N.O. for "ethnic cleansing". They are trying to help.

It is the incompetence of FEMA and the Bush administration that has caused this mess, not our troops.

[tuckessee]

35. So are you so naive as to believe

that the police are the only ones shooting people in New Orleans?

The OP in this thread is about police shooting a dozen people - not about the general imcompetence of the Federals.

I never said anything about "ethnic cleansing" so I have no idea what you're referring to there.

[mongo]

46. Why make up accusations about the National Guard

shooting "hundreds" of people, when you have no facts to back it up?

Why do you assume that is their mission, or that they would be ready and willing to gun innocent Americans down?

[Imagevision]

17. The guy running after police car to report on-going rape-they shot him too

the dude was trying to get help.

[leetrisck]

18. Not sure I believe this - police & military

are not anxious to kill their fellow Americans in circumstances such as this. Surely this would have made more news than this - I know, I know - we can't believe crap from so many of these sources - who knows what to believe?

[blitzen]

24. all i can say is the guy talking was indeed a city official....

but still who knows if it's true

[LisaL]

19. What can I say? We couldn't take US to Iraq, so Iraq has come

to US. They are only doing to us what they have been doing in Iraq.
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[Slit Skirt]

43. that is why they suspended posse comitatus

so military could take over
also why communications are being jammed

September 4, 2005 -- Reports continue that communications in and around New Orleans are being purposely jammed by the US government (see Sep. 2 article below). The jamming is having an adverse impact on emergency, disaster recovery, and news media communications. The jamming is even affecting police radio frequencies in Jefferson Parish, according to an Australian news report.

Jamming radio and other communications such as television signals is part of a Pentagon tactic called "information blockade" or "technology blockade." The tactic is one of a number of such operations that are part of the doctrine of "information warfare" and is one of the psychological operations (PSYOPS) methods used by the US Special Operations Command. Jamming is currently being used by US forces in Iraq and was used by the US Navy in the botched coup attempt against President Hugo Chavez in April 2002. US Navy ships off the Venezuelan coast jammed diplomatic, military, emergency services, police, and even taxi cab frequencies in Caracas and other large cities.

From "The Manchurian Printer," Simson L. Garfinkel :

"Not surprisingly, the unclassified version of the Pentagon's report barely mentions the offensive possibilities of Information Warfare---capabilities that the Pentagon currently has under development. Nevertheless, these capabilities are alluded to in several of the diagrams, which show a keen interest by the military in OOTW---Operations Other Than War. "They have things like information influence, perception management, and PSYOPS---psychological operations," says Wayne Madsen, a lead scientist at the Computer Sciences Corporation in northern Virginia, who has studied the summer study report. 'Basically, I think that what they are talking about is having the capability to censor and put out propaganda on the networks. That includes global news networks like CNN and BBC, your information services, like CompuServe and Prodigy,' and communications satellite networks. 'When they talk about 'technology blockade,' they want to be able to block data going into or out of a certain region of the world that they may be attacking."'

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
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[indepat]

53. Those people were told to evacuate so: the government is excused

of any nonfeasence.

[shance]

56. How can it be "police"? 2/3 of the police force turned in their badges???

It doesn't sound like the police would be capable of doing this because most of them arent even there.

[sakabatou]

59. Do they give reasons or were they just searching for food?

[Historic NY]

60. PROVIDE A LINK NOT A RUMOR..............

most of this alleged police stuff is being fabricated, spread by rumor, or unnamed sources, heard from friend of a friend crap. In one instance the head of the Louisiana State Police was repeated unsubstantiated rumors or stuff he heard about the N.O. Police quitting in large numbers.

The majority of this stuff is being manufactured to make the La. Gov. & Mayor responsible. They are trying to shield * from being responsible.

If there are people left in N.O. most likely its the left over criminal element and some of them were armed.

[Tyranny_R_US]

61. Ask WBRZ TV for the tape :)

[Historic NY]

65. I went to their website and found nothing, but did find this story.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/090405/new_evacuated001.shtml


Many Guard members are not armed, Blanco said. They are handling security and relief duties that do not require weapons.

The FBI brought in an undisclosed number of SWAT teams to keep order in New Orleans, where lawlessness stymied relief efforts for days.

In New Orleans, overworked police officers and firefighters could be getting some time off soon, Nagin said.

"We're putting together a plan to cycle people out," Nagin said. "The safety of our city is coming back."

Lt. Gen. Russel Honore of the National Guard said many of the numerous gunshots reportedly heard around are actually vehicles driving over empty water bottles. There is no shooting occurring where most of the people still are, he added.

[dxstone]

62. If this is true, the our govt. has declared war on its own citizenry!

Goddamn them... god fucking damn them!
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[Cleita]

63. Isn't that known as civil war?

[NMDemDist2]

64. rumors run riot, let's try and keep our heads people. I see no link n/t