How can anyone like *??

[Sewsojm]

I really find it impossible to even imagine that anyone on Earth could like this Prick. I'm having a difficult time right now trying to understand this, is it just Me, am I the one with the problem?

[yardwork]

1. I'm with you. I'm having trouble respecting anyone who likes *

I mean, I'm having real trouble not HATING everyone I know who voted for him. I don't like to hate, but it's there.

[onecent]

6. My sentiments exactly Yardwork

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Under certain circumstances it is okay to hate

I never understood this passage until today:

If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26

This one always bothered me. How could Jesus tell us we had to hate? How could he tell me I had to hate MY mother and father? Now I realize that he wasn't talking about my real parents, he was talking about the government. Now this passage makes so much more sense.

[StellaBlue]

9. haha

But, yes... I have been thinking about this passage a lot, too. Ever since I brought it to the attention of a holier-than-thou, nonchurchgoing, religiously judgemental, SUV-driving, unemployed relative, who jumped on my back when I was talking about violence in Christian evangelizing.

The conversation started when I was actually sort of DEFENDING Christianity, as opposed to Islam, saying that, despite the horrible things many Christian missionaries have done throughout history, it seems to be that conversion through violence has a stronger history in Islam. I don't *think* it says in the NT that Christians should convert by the sword. But I *think* the Koran does say things to that effect. Is that right? I took a university-level class about Islam and I got the impression that it has a stronger undercurrent of violent conversion... Anyway........

She immediately said, 'WHO? What have Christian missionaries done? Give me an example?'

SO... I told her about Native Americans being forced into convent schools and Protestant, basically, re-education camps; and the evils of the Belgian Congo; and the attempted eradication of 'barbarian' indigenous customs in the Indian subcontinent by the British empire; and the forced conversions and genocide of the Spanish in Mexico.

And her response, 'Oh - so that's just your opinion then.' And she conveniently forgot all about the litany of horrors I had just described to her.

So then I reminded her that there are, in fact, many passages in the Bible that could easily be construed as violent, especially in the Old Testament. But even Jesus said 'anyone who will follow me must hate their mother and father'. And I explained to her that, in most understandings of that verse, Christians took it to mean not that Jesus wants Christians to hate, but that if it comes down to it, you will choose your Christian religion above your family; that if your family turns against you because of it, so be it.

Again, she was like, 'Okay, that's your opinion. But I want to know where it says that in the Bible.' I told her that, despite having read the Bible cover to cover more than once, I could not recall the exact wording nor chapter and verse, but I would look it up!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

This person is a rabid * apologist, the worst stereotype of one you can imagine. Likes to tell me about how I will 'see the light' one day and snap out of my atheistic 'phase' (I am in my late 20s and going on 11 or 12 years of said phase). Meanwhile she doesn't read the Bible, go to church (NEVER), practice any human virtues, or bother to think for herself. The perfect * voter.

[Dem Agog]

2. i sure don't know...

everytime i see his satanic, snake like pinched face in front of me i throw up a little...

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. I've lost relationships - both friend and family - over this.

Amazing that something to obvious to us can be so opaque to others...I guess we live in the real world and still engage our brains. We've lost many in our society to lies, propaganda, fear, false religion.

[snappyturtle]

4. I am amazed.........

at the calls for keeping calm. I think * is a very sick, narcisistic person and also amazed that The People aren't tearing down the doors of the WH to get him OUT---NOW!:mad:

[Pam-Moby]

5. No you are not the one with a problem understanding this.

The rethugs are like a herd of cows. They just follow their leader. I live in a small town in a subdivision where one of our neighbors has signs in their back windows of both of their cars and a large Bush/Cheney sign in their yard. We have posted in both of our vehicles an impeach-bush sign and a DU sign. We need to start standing up for what we believe in. Those rethugs are not thinking people. That is just fact.

[StellaBlue]

8. $$$$$$$$$$$$

Greed.

Ignorance.