OK how do I respond to this ?

[Twist_U_Up]

This is from a blog I frequent


It so funny how the left wing is so quick to come and blame conservatives for this. Most of the looting I have seen on TV is not for food or water. These people are stealing beer, TV's, and other shit that would not help them to survive. The question is why did these people not evac out of city. I have heard they are to poor and they were black so that automaticly takes them out of the running, that is bullshit. Why did the city not use their mass transit system and get those people out? Thats right cause the libral state government needs someone to blame. Now the federal government wants to take over command and control to use their assest's and the Gov has said no, but they still what federal money.

I just dont understand that when something goes wrong in this nation we are so quick to pass blame. This is a really fucked up situation and I think if everyone svaed theeir energy and stopped blamming each other those people still stuck in the city would get out.


And Lokken that is pretty nice things you have come up with for President Bush, where were you when Clinton lied to everyuone and they impeached him?



Like I have always said it is easy for civilians to bitch and complain but if you are on willing to do anything for this country, why should this country do anything for you?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Not passing the blame

finding out exactly what happened so we can fix it. Or does this bozo want this sort of mess to happen when his area is hit by a natural or a man-made disaster?

Also, a significant portion of people who stayed did so because they had no way to get out. Planes/buses stopped running on Saturday, and no rental cars were to be had. The mayor could have loaded up the buses, but where were they to go? According to protocol, he had to ask FEMA for help, and it didn't come. In fact, FEMA didn't even follow their own plan for hurricanes. Lots of links on different threads that explain this right here at DU.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. First you have to translate it to English, then

come over to this thread and start picking through it for your rebuttal. :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x22507

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[Twist_U_Up]

8. Thank you n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. Any time :^)

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[sandnsea]

3. They're doing a bad job with gas prices though, right?

I am so done with these people. What is the recent poll, 80% willing to blame Bush for high gas prices, but he's doing a great job with the rescue. Fuck it. They're hopeless.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. FEMA Blocked, DHS ignored own exercises, Bush sends Lawyers

1) FEMA actively Blocked Doctors and Water, and Chopped Police Comm Links in Jefferson Parish.

2) DHS had an exercise (Hurrincane "Pam") July 2004 exactly about levee break flooding New Orleans: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02521178.htm

3) Bush response is to send lawyers to create a power struggle to try to take state control away from Louisiana.

Lots more to be found on DU here.

[Left Is Write]

5. How about this?

I can't take credit for this; it was written by a friend of mine:

Okay, say you are poor and living in NO. You don't own a car. You make $10,000 a year. You have a wife who is seven months pregnant, and a toddler daughter. It's four days until payday, and you have $20 left to your name.

Say you want to evacuate NO. Your options are:

1. Rent a car. NO! Not with your income, and not without a major credit card, so nix this. Besides, how are you going to pay to fill up the tank with gas to get the 80 miles to Baton Rouge?

2. Buy Greyhound bus tickets for the two of you (child can ride in a lap). From Lafayette to Baton Rouge is $32, one way, I just checked. No service from NO. I don't think they did have service from there, so you'll have to find a way to get to Lafayette first, no way. Besides you have about $20 until payday. So not enough for the bus tickets AND eating.

3. Get a ride with someone, help pay for gas. How are you going to do that AND eat on $20? And get a ride with whom, exactly? Everyone you know and work with is as poor as you are, and they all walk or ride the city bus to work, too.

4. Walk. Yeah. It's EIGHTY MILES. How far are you going to get with your pregnant wife and toddler? And you've got to eat on that $20.

5. Stick out your thumb and hitch. You are poor and black. Best of luck to ya. That's also quite dangerous.

6. Let's say you WERE to somehow magically, miraculously get to Baton Rouge. The Poverty Fairy took you on her back and flew you there with her gossamer wings. How are you going to pay for a hotel room? You can't. So you find a homeless shelter? Sleep on the street? So now the only difference between here and NO is the water, basically. Oh and there's no flying Poverty Fairy, so nix this, too.

7. OR you could stay in NO and hope for the best. Maybe you could climb up on your roof if the water got too high. You could make sure you had a few bottles of water Sunday night, just in case, maybe buy an extra pack of diapers. I mean, surely if things WERE that bad, help would be there right away, right?

Right?

Am I missing anything? Please note this family is healthy and young. I didn't even mention older people or people with health/medical problems who wouldn't even be able to consider anything but option seven. And even the healthy young family is, in the end, stuck with option seven.

Feel free to pass this on to whomever you know who doesn't seem to understand how people in poverty just can't get up and leave.

[SeattleGirl]

7. Excellent points! n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. Here's an idea. These people obviously have access to the

internet(s). Why don't they do some research like DUers do, and get some answers to their questions instead of swallowing the RW talking points? Jesus, how hard is that? :shrug:

[ET Awful]

9. You might want to point out to the prick that a huge chunk of our military

is comprised of exactly the type of people that are now suffering in New Orleans. A huge percentage of those serving in the military joined as a last resort to get out of the poverty stricken environs they were raised in. The poor don't do anything for this country???? The poor BUILT THIS FUCKING COUNTRY.

When a hurricane struck while Clinton was president, he flew back from overseas before it even hit and had the response ready to go before the storm made landfall. Getting a blowjob didn't effect his response to tragedy in any way shape or form.

Let's see. . . given a choice between a President who gets laid AND saves lives and one who lies us into a war that costs the lives of thousands and whose inaction (and direct adverse action such as cutting funding) results in the deaths of thousands more, I go with blowjob Bill any day.

[RBHam]

10. Homeland Security is under the control of the Executive.

Homeland Security DELIBERATELY blocked aid.

It's documented.

Ergo...

[Wizard777]

11. Would they like to wear our shoes for a while?

To be shut out only to watch helplessly as those poor people are given Bonuses for their lawlessness. Just like the multi billion dollar coporation Halliburton.

Would you like to place bets on which of the two looters will end up in jail first?

[growlypants]

12. you should simply say......

stop with the fucking SPIN!!!!!!!! WHY ARE YOU FOCUSING ON THE FUCKING LOOETRS YOUR PRICKS??? WHO REALLY CARES!!!! THERE ARE DEAD PEOPLE. DEAD PEOPLE DONT LOOT!! NEITHER DO BABIES AND OLD PEOPLE. SO, YOU COLD HEARTED CONSERVATIVE FUCKHAT.......STOP CHANGING TO SUBJECT TO SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU CAN WIN AN ARGUMENT ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANT ISSUES!!!!

[BeFree]

13. There you have it:

"This is a really fucked up situation and I think if everyone svaed theeir energy and stopped blamming each other those people still stuck in the city would get out.'

If we all stopped blaming each other the situation would magically disappear? This is what that idiot is saying... "if we all just praise b**h the people stuck in the city could get out."

Gosh, why didn't we think of that? Just praise b**h and everything will be fine.
:sarcasm:

Then, to answer why the feds should have been better than they were, let us look at the Port Of Orleans.

The port is the biggest port in the US. Much depends on the smooth operation of that port. The people who lived around New Orleans (gawd: who lived) made that port work. Now they are homeless. The port may soon become operational, but where are the people who work there going to live? Port jobs are not your high-end paying jobs.

By allowing the housing for Port Orleans workers to be destroyed, it effectively closed down the port for a long time. Another miserable failure.

[mcscajun]

15. "Puh-RAISE, Bush! Pur-RAISE him!

Alleluia!!"

That's it. Everything's fixed now. Everyone in the Gulf can go home.
:sarcasm:

/sarcasm off
Fuckin' moron freepers.

[Deja Q]

14. Can't a person sell a TV, and use the money for food?

[Igel]

17. There are many complaints possible against FEMA.

And many against Blanco and Nagin.

The state evacuation plan wasn't well thought out, and doesn't appear to have been well coordinated with the state's; if they were ok on paper, they were implemented shoddily. Otherwise, many of the problems would have boiled down to a simple lack of time--11 hours is not enough time to organize a mass evacuation.

In truth, they could have done a better job; I don't see any reason to argue that dems are perfect and infallible, that strikes me as arrogant or irresponsible. IMHO, the proper response is, They should have done a better job: they should have had better plans, and they shouldn't have needed an appeal from * to declare a mandatory evacuation.

Nagin and Blanco had all the authority they needed, on their own. This doesn't mean that FEMA didn't screw up later, or couldn't have helped earlier. Perhaps FEMA should have forced them to have workable state plans.