This May be the End of Democracy Folks

[stepnw1f]

I'm sorry to say this but what we have before us could mean the end of what our Forefathers have fought so dilegently for. I understand those in power are not legitimate nor have they come to power legitimately, but soon all that may not matter.

We have two Supreme Court Justices being appointed by a Fascistic Dictator. We have the Repeal of the Estate Tax, an Illegal War and what appears to be deliberate act of Genocide on a city of poor folk. Sound extreme?

We live in very extreme times. It's time for the moderates to open their goddamn eyes and see the situation for what it really is. For the longer those of you out there who don't see the severity of the situation we all find ourselves in, the worse your moment of clarity will be.

I know how I sound. And maybe, Bush's actions will be washed away by a tsunami of public discourse, but I would like to think We the People don't need such a challenge on our hands before we do something BIG to stop these bastards. Then again, what do we do? I believe WE the PEOPLE have to force them to step down.

[valerief]

1. The Great Experiment is over

Now we're just guinea pigs in lab tests, I mean, simulations.

[H5N1]

2. You sound moderate to me

Moderate but accurate

[mzteris]

3. it was over

when we allowed them to steal the election the first time.

[Name removed]

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[glitch]

42. Looks like my message got deleted. Perhaps it won't if I quote Jefferson

directly:

http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html

The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

[FormerRepublican]

53. Reading Thomas Jefferson makes me want to secede from the Union.

Poor Tom is rolling over in his grave, along with the rest of the Founders of this nation.

[maveric]

48. It was over 11/22/63.

"They" killed a president of the people.

[niallmac]

56. To me that was the day the Reich took over. n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

61. Yes

I always call that day the day we all died.

[yvr girl]

4. That's a pretty arrogant statement

America isn't the only democracy in the world.

[pretzel4gore]

10. oh yes it is

don't for a moment think this battle we're in isn't for what the good people have been fighting for since jesus wore runnin shoes....and don't for a moment think 1984 (in 1984, the terror attacks were staged routinely, for social control/cohersion, the 'resistance' was a party operation that trapped anti party idealists etc) wasn't a desperate warning to the 'people'...if 'truth' is defeated in USA to extent it not a factor in gov policy, then humanity will die with it simply because a fascist USA will fight any effort to empower the 'people' anywhere and thus will waste everything just surviving...

[Deja Q]

15. Or "It Can't Happen Here", written in 1938 as I recall...

Or "V", an allegorical mini-seris based on that book, in 1983 and its hammy sequel mini-series in 1984, and its abominable mid-season replacement tv series in 1985...

[Jim Sagle]

47. What are you talking about? What happened in 1984?

[Der Blaue Engel]

51. It's a book by George Orwell

Check this out...you can search the whole book online; pretty cool:

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

[Jim Sagle]

59. Thanks, but I knew about the book.

[stepnw1f]

16. Sorry... I meant for the US

I stand corrected, however my all encompassing statement was not intentional. My apologies to all Democratic Nations.

[still_one]

20. this country went through a civil war and survived

[miss_kitty]

63. pssst

America isn't EVEN a democracy...never was. It's always been a republic...

[Beam Me Up]

6. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IN THE HANDS OF EXTREMISTS.

The Congress is increasingly being made irrelevant. I want to say that the American people have been ABANDONED by their government, but the government currently in power was not fairly constituted by the people. It is a sham, a masquerade, a FAUX government: and it is endangering the lives of every one of us RIGHT NOW.

"There is a time" and that time is NOW. We dare not wait, we dare not hesitate, we must speak in one very loud and commanding voice: There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to all the people who run it, to the people that own it, that unless you’re free, the machines will be prevented from working at all.
-Mario Savio, December 2nd 1964

[Talismom]

7. It's a terribly frightening time. I really think you're right. n/t

[miss_kitty]

8. It's been over. actually it's never been a democracy here.

It's a republic that turned into an oligarchy that is reaching or has reached its limits.
this is just the decline and fall of western civilisation occurring now.

[StellaBlue]

9. I agree with you

1776:
Government by and for the wealthy white male elite

2005:
Government by and for the billionaire, mostly white, mostly male elite

[Warren Stupidity]

52. However there were periods in between where this was not true. nt.

[donsu]

11. America has crumbled

nt

[izzie]

12. Every thing goes in waves. This is a lot like 1890 once more.

Three steps a head and 2 and a half back. We do have some rules on business that are holding and women can vote. I am not sure about blacks right now. This looks like a real set back.

[mzmolly]

13. And we get bitching about Democrats time and time again.

THIS is insanity. Democrats are annoying - but they're not insane.

[stepnw1f]

24. I Hear Ya

I will not be posting anything negative about Dems for a long time. If I do, it will be CONSTRUCTIVE I promise.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. Where have you and others been since December 2000????....

...Democracy ended the day that Herr Busch was CHOSEN to be America's "leader"!!

[stepnw1f]

17. Hope... That's Where

and I'm am losing it very fast. Does that make you want to kick me while I'm down? Or are you fraustrated that I did not share your pessimism after the 2000 election. I still had some hope then.

[Rainscents]

27. Please, don't give up hope!

In time, people will wake up and this country will have another revolution! POWER of people will always overturn government!

[stepnw1f]

35. Thank You!!! (nt)

[thinkingwoman]

18. Democracy died in December of 2000

When the Supreme Court illegally/unconstitutionally interfered in a federal election.

It's been in a persistant vegitative state and fed through a tube ever since.

It's all over but the pulling of the tube and the waiting.

[demodonkey]

23. Well then, there is still hope (by the 'thugs own admission)

Anything in a persistent vegetative state can get a miracle and be restored to health, can't it? :sarcasm:

[thinkingwoman]

26. LOL!

Thanks, I needed that laugh.

[still_one]

25. really, did you ever think it was because people didn't get

off their asses and VOTE!!!

It was a dismal turnout in 2000 and 2004

we get the government we deserve!!!

Maybe people will have gotten the message now, how important it is to vote. They didn't learn it in 2000, and again in 2004

The problem with 2000, besides the voter turnout, was GORE'S inane adivsors. If they would have only called for an ENTIRE RECOUNT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDIA, THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE

Instead they selectively picked counties to recount

[Loge23]

38. Amen to that (nt)

[still_one]

19. BULL, this country went through a civil war!!!

remember world war II, no one knew if tomorrow would even come

The people will take back the government through the system

IT WILL WORK

[stepnw1f]

21. Thank You

I need a picker-upper. I really really do...

[still_one]

28. don't get me wrong, there is going to be a lot of pain

but WE THE PEOPLE will take back our country, at the POLLS and with a vengence

[stepnw1f]

30. Ok... I'm with Ya

I'll fight to the very end. I have no where else to go right now.

[still_one]

33. we are all in the same boat

[rockymountaindem]

40. A-MEN

I agree.

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[still_one]

29. Number 6

in the Prisoner number 1 was us

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

31. Number 1 is a chimpanzee.

I don't follow chimpanzees.

[still_one]

32. but the country decided not to even show up at the polls

both in 2000 and 2004

WE ARE NUMBER ONE, and we will decide our fate

[Gregorian]

43. OMG.

Until now, I never knew that. One of my alltime favorite shows is The Prisoner. I was going to figure it out someday on my own. Maybe. After watching every episode ten times.

[wli]

34. I'm resigned to dying in a concentration/death camp already. n/t

[Nostradammit]

55. Ever the ray of sunshine, eh wli?

.

[Taxloss]

57. Being a bit dramatic, aren't we? nt

[MojoXN]

36. No, the end of democracy was...

in December 2000, when the SCOTUS installed the idiot boy-king. What we're seeing now is democracy's death throes.

MojoXN

[B Calm]

37. Anybody else watching ROME on HBO?

[yellowdogintexas]

39. looking back, to 1968-1972...Mayor Daley SR and his

cop thugs in Chicago,MLK and RFK being killed, riots in the streets, huge marches, Kent State, war in the living room every night, Walter Cronkite and his awesome rear guard keeping us informed,

I was in my early twenties then, and absolutely certain we were at the END!!!!

we are still here. Barely but we are still here.

VOTING in 2005 AND 2006, marching (damn I wish I could be in DC this Sept!!!)

Damnable shame we need something like Katrina to awaken the sleeping giant that truly IS America but there it is. What is left of our national soul should surely rear its head and cry ENOUGH!!

[2Design]

41. when this happened to russia - a wall came down - and chaos

got worse and then it split up into many states

[terip64]

44. Over my dead body

not to be dramatic but I am all about 'Live free or Die!'

[rateyes]

45. IMHO, democracy was not taken from the people...

we, the people have given it away...and, we have sold it for a damned cheap price, too. We do get the government we deserve...this is supposed to a government of, by and for the people. Well, we are "the people," which means it's up to us. If we let those in charge "off the hook," and we don't hold our "leaders" accountable-----we'll get everything we deserve. The question is: how badly do we want it?

[CrispyQ]

58. You are spot on, rateyes!

In a democracy, you get the government you deserve. If you don't participate or pay attention, don't be surprised when your beautiful democracy morphs into something else entirely.

People don't vote & they don't pay attention to what our legislators are voting on. Most people I know couldn't tell you what the 'death' tax is (or as we should call it, the Paris Hilton tax relief), when it's going to be voted on. Once it's voted on, they don't know how their reps voted or care to find out. They may bitch & whine, but they will continue with their apathetic & complacent ways & wonder what the hell happened when they wake up one day, cold & hungry & living in a corporatocracy that doesn't give a shit about anything but profits.

[RandomKoolzip]

46. Whatever.

The illusion of democracy is far too effective a propaganda tool to jettison. They'll never let it get to that state; we'll always have AT LEAST some semblence of "free speech...." not that we'll able to actually change things, but we'll still be able to make a ruckus. No hurricane, no illegitimate presidency can take that away.

[Mr_Spock]

49. I hear the sky is falling.

I am hoping a nice blue colored piece will far on my land so I can mount it in front of my fireplace... :D

[electron_blue]

50. Ita. So how do "we" do that?

Time for a gameplan, folks.

[Witchy_Dem]

54. We're not in a democracy anyway. The last 5 yrs should have illuminated

that for you. We're a republic headed for an oligarchy. The middle class will be removed and the wealthy made to fear poverty so much that they will do what is necessary to protect their material possessions. Corporations will have the power and the 'president' will only be a mouthpiece to allow people to think their votes still count. I'd say we've already knocked on that door and the dude in a cowl has answered the door.

Our votes have been removed. Our media controlled. We're made to fear and to think that our govt can protect us from some evil (one that we've created) and need them to sleep at night.

Exteme would be to get our power back but I think once a civil war has started we're going to become much more splintered than ever before.

[struggle4progress]

60. Hell, I've never in my life really lived in a democracy. But from time ..

.. to time, I see my brothers and sisters get restless and push back a bit harder than usual, so I continue to be cautiously hopeful. And I'm thinking right now we might be gearing up for a bit more of a rumble than Bush's base really expects.

[H2O Man]

62. Naw ......

it's just our turn to fight for it. The only question is how far are people willing to go to fight for democracy and freedom.

[LiberalMandrake]

64. The End: The Day JFK Jr. was murdered