Clarification--doesn't Bush already control the NG?

[tjdee]

I think I'm confused about what Bush wants Blanco to do.
Isn't the NG under his jurisdiction already?

What specific changes does he want her to make?

[knowbody0]

1. he wants control of the state

the ng answers to her first as gov of state

[liberaliraqvet26]

2. not when they are activated by the governor

only when they are federalized (hense the ones in IRAQ)

[tjdee]

5. So how come NG didn't get there sooner...

dropping food/etc.? Was it her responsibility to ask them to deliver water, etc.?

Were the NG there from the start? I do know she had to request more and that it was a shortage of resources thing.

[Spazito]

13. Because the request sat on bush's desk until Thursday

[Fleshdancer]

18. but that doesn't make sense if they're not federalized, BUT....

I think it was Mayor Nagin that noted that there were only 250 NG available at his disposal the day before Katrina hit. So the question begs to be asked...how many NG did the state have and how many have already been federalized and sent to Iraq? This is the question I've been wondering since day one.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. technically it is a state militia

you know the one that is permitted to really keep and bear arms, the well regulated kind.

It functions in cooperation with the Army etc. The state part is mostly a legal fiction EXCEPT for that pesky posse comitatus bit that prohibits federal armed forces from acting in a law enforcement capacity.

[Arkansas Democrat]

7. Isn't Blanco a Republican?

I heard her referred to as a Democrat Governor today!

[tjdee]

10. No, she's a Dem I think.

Uh oh, I think I'm getting all confused.

[Janice325]

11. Governor Blanco is a Democrat.

[jody]

8. A state's guard is part of the "organized militia". Louisiana has an

"unorganized militia" that consists of all persons between 17 and 64, with some exceptions, that the governor can activate under state law.

[tjdee]

9. And Bush suspended posse comitatus in LA, right?

Did he also in MS?

[jody]

15. Is that true? Posse comitatus pertains to use of active duty forces

for law enforcement, not such things as humanitarian aid.

I thought National Guard troops were assisting NO police officers in law enforcement and that is a legal use of a state's guard. I also thought that active duty forces were not involved in law enforcement.

[tjdee]

24. on edit: According to this, he did:

http://www.atsnn.com/story/167184.html


One of the comments references this BBC article sentence:
"Mr Bush said their priority would be to maintain law and order, and to assist in aid and evacuation efforts. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4211528.stm

And in this DU thread....At least one person interchangeably uses "martial law" and "posse comitatus". http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1736970#1737126

There was a post yesterday (?) or so about Bush "suspending some laws" in the early morning, and some of the replies said posse comitatus because of the active duty guys showing up.

Short answer, I don't know.

[jody]

4. A state's guard is under the command of its governor until a president

calls them to active duty.

Guard members take two oaths, one as members of a states guard and the second as members of the national guard.

[tjdee]

6. So whose fault was it that no water drops were made?

Maybe I didn't have enough coffee today.

[jody]

12. ON EDIT: I misunderstood your point. It appears that either the Governor

or the President are responsible for no water drops. It has to be one or the other.

[tjdee]

17. I understand what you said, but...

I'm in a discussion with some on another board, and martial law has come up. I'd like to say that Bush wanted Blanco to federalize the NG, which you and others have explained nicely--but it raises another question for me.

All week long, I and others have been wondering why no one dropped food/water to those people. I personally assumed it was the National Guard, under Bush's direction, who either weren't there or weren't given the orders to do such.

If the NG is under Blanco's direction, obviously she would have given them orders to drop water/food.

I'm missing something.

[jody]

21. No, it was I who misunderstood your question and I corrected my reply.

P.S. Technically, Louisiana does not have laws for martial law but it does have similar laws that a governor can use when an emergency is declared.

[Spazito]

14. Fema's, once bush declared the area a disaster area, which he

did on August 26th.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

[Tyranny_R_US]

16. and FEMA answers to DHS and DHS answers to....?

[Fleshdancer]

19. I thought FEMA and DHS both answered to Homeland Security

am I wrong? :shrug:

[Fleshdancer]

20. Exactly HOW MANY NG was under control of the State and HOW MANY

are in Iraq? Do we have NG in Afghanistan?? What exactly are the numbers??

This creeps me out. If there's this much confusion regarding the NG in LA, then I can only imagine how the other states are doing.

[Star]

22. DHS = Dept. of Homeland Security

FEMA is a part of DHS. DHS is a cabinet-level position that answers to the President.

[Fleshdancer]

23. Brain fart!

I have no excuse! Sorry about that.