OPRAH STARTING

[julialnyc]

RIGHT NOW!

[Tyranny_R_US]

1. Darn it I still have to wait another 3 hours here on the west coast

And before you lurking racists start first ask yourself what is Martha Stewart,Donald Trump,Bill Gates, etc is doing to help?

[Joebert]

7. The Bill Gates Foundation has put up 1.5 Million

A lot will dump on them for not doing more, but they've also put more into Africa than almost every other COUNTRY on Earth, combined.

I think Microsoft has a lot of crap business practices, but I will never, ever say anything about Bill's philanthropy.

[julialnyc]

159. john grisham gave 5 million

[eleny]

8. You've been picking arguments for two days

And I suppose you agree with the guy who called Franken a racist because he criticized Dr. Rice, too?

Everyone is open to criticism. Everyone.

[Tyranny_R_US]

13. Re: guy who called Franken a racist because he criticized Dr. Rice...

Oh hell no now if Franken used the "N" against Rice I would draw the line but thats about it, I'm for everyone having a piece of her OTOH Oprah who is trying her best to help these people and to show the suffering is getting bashed from left to right I don't think its right.

[eleny]

23. People have been skeptical of Oprah the past few days...

.... because of her own past behavior. As I pointed out to you yesterday (when threads were rolling off too fast for any real conversation), Nate Clay and other Chicagoans in the black community criticized her for not breaking away from her Hawaiian vacation to attend John J. Johnson's funeral. JJJ did a lot for her career and her absence was viewed as a snub.

Oprah has her faults and to call her on her grandstanding is not out of line.

[Imagevision]

77. Oprah skeptics? -surprisingly just too many commercials...!

other then that, it is good coverage.

[Horse with no Name]

105. That's the network

Not her.

[gort]

182. remember when 9/11 happened

commercials were suspended?

Well, ratings are ratings and we got lots of deoderant and toilet paper to sell.

[BronxBoy]

163. REALLY

Off topic but I didn't hear that. Like to know more

[eleonora]

198. Maybe that now she can quit complaining

because she and her team couldn't get into a luxury store after hours...sometimes she amazes me in a bad way.

[philosophie_en_rose]

144. "Everyone" is a pretty limited term for some people.

This isn't a comment towards you in particular.

I agree that everyone is open to criticism, but not everyone is criticized. It's a suspicious coincidence that so many criticism are directed at people of the same ethnic background -- for reasons based on race.

[Rabrrrrrr]

11. Yay for the racist card!

Please play it more often. It never gets boring.

And before you start, ask yourself: what are Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Alsn Keyes, etc. doing to help?

See how fucking ignorant that sounds? I do.

[Tyranny_R_US]

15. Racism is not a game Rabrrrrrr

And before you start, ask yourself: what are Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Alsn Keyes, etc. doing to help?

So as long as I don't bring up rich whites its okay with you, okay I see where you are coming from. :eyes:

[Rabrrrrrr]

21. I know it's not a game.

That's why I showed you how stupid it is when someone (that's you) insists on playing it.

[Tyranny_R_US]

28. Re: "I know it's not a game."

Then stop using the words like "play" and "race card" when you are trying to disprove blatant racism.

[Rabrrrrrr]

31. No, you see, here's the deal - I'm accusing YOU of making it a game,

hence my use of the words "play" and "race card". See how that works? Perhaps I was too subtle; I am often accused of too much sarcasm, and the point gets lost.

So this time, I've spelled it out for you.

[Tyranny_R_US]

56. Re: "I'm accusing YOU of making it a game,"

hence my use of the words "play" and "race card". See how that works? Perhaps I was too subtle; I am often accused of too much sarcasm, and the point gets lost.

Your "race card" meme isn't any different from the RW's "blame game" meme they are all quick excuses to sweep the ugliness of reality under the rug :puke: Now for the last time racism isnt a game, I'm not playing a game I view racism very seriously, you on the other hand don't. (eom)

[Karenina]

110. For obvious reasons.

[Rabrrrrrr]

139. But you see, YOU are the one trying to make this about race

when it clearly isn't. YOU are the one playing the game, a childhood playground taunting game.

There is NOTHING overtly, tangentially, somewhat, or even at all racist about criticising Oprah. Just as there is NOTHING racist about criticising Martha Stewart, unless one actually says something racist. But criticism and critique ARE NOT ipso facto race-related activities.

And I view racism as SUCh a serious topic, then when the canard "racist" is tossed around willy nilly in appropriate scenarios - such as you are doing with your "Oprah criticism = racism" platform - then you demean the value of the word, you lessen the impact of real racism, and you make the whole unacceptable reality of racism into a meaningless playground chant and turn it into something isignificant, and thus ignorable, and turn it into a non-issue.

Save the accusations of racism for the times when there actually is racism.

I take racism VERY seriously. Racism and homophobia are my two hot-button issues. That's why I *don't* turn it into a game, like you do; that's why I reserve the accusation of "racism" for the times that there actually IS racism.

Unless and until you can explain to my why criticising someone on their behavior is a de facto race issue, and why it is impossible to criticise someone of African-American descent without being racist, then I can only continue to assume that for you it's all fun and games, running around like the boy who cried wolf, until no one believed him any more, even when there really was a wolf.

Please, take racism seriously enough NOT to treat it like a playground taunt.

[gort]

183. why do hate me because I'm white?

Game on!

Tag, you're it!

[Rabrrrrrr]

184. Hey! You're turning into this into a game!

Careful....careful...

:P

[Jim Sagle]

189. Here's the REAL deal - you're lying.

[Rabrrrrrr]

207. Really? I'm lying?

So, what am I lying about? That I'm really not accusing her of playing games?

I said:

No, you see, here's the deal - I'm accusing YOU of making it a game, hence my use of the words "play" and "race card". See how that works? Perhaps I was too subtle; I am often accused of too much sarcasm, and the point gets lost.

So this time, I've spelled it out for you.

So tell me, exactly, which one or more of those statements/thoughts am I **LYING** about?

I AM accusing her of making a game; I truly meant that perhaps I was being too subtle; I actually sometimes accused of too much sarcasm, which sarcasm detracts from getting my point across; and that time, I actually DID spell it out for her.

So, Mr. I-can-see-into-people's-minds, where am I lying?

[Zomby Woof]

177. Oprah is white

She pretends to be black, but the way she behaved at Hermes in Paris makes her whiter than Beverly Hills. Throwing a tantrum because they had the audacity to NOT let her in afterhours.

She is a spoiled phony, and she should burn in hell for covering the ass of WHITE rapist Ahnold.

For the record, it was Oprah who foisted Martha Stewart on the masses before she was well-known.

[Rabrrrrrr]

181. Hey Zomby!!

Good to see ya! Haven't seen you around lately.

WOO HOO!!

Thanks for speaking the truth, by the way.

[psychopomp]

190. Who are you to judge what is "black?"

I have great respect for Oprah as most African-Americans do; she has earned it. Now, how she acts on a shopping trip is her business.

[Zomby Woof]

197. Oprah is worthless, and I MAKE it my business

Anyone who acts like a REPUBLICAN (like on the shopping trip - $6000 handbags are sold in that store, and she complained VOCIFEROUSLY because they wouldn't let her in AFTER THEY CLOSED) is WHITE, and I damn well have the right to judge. It is MY BUSINESS when a public figure acts like a COMPLETE AND TOTAL JACKASS REPUBLICAN. It is my DUTY to call her on her phony-ass behavior. I am sick of the Cult of Oprah, like she is some goddess worthy of uncritical praise and admiration. Fuck her with an Ahnold campaign poster!

Speaking of Ahnold, she let the WHITE RAPIST off without a pass. FAWNED and GUSHED over him, because he is a CELEBRITY in SHOW BUSINESS.

She is the most vile narcissist in America. Even her advertisement for her "hurricane special" had this concluding extreme close-up shot of her tearful face - as if the hurricane is ALL ABOUT HER. :puke: :puke: :puke:

And her fucking MAGAZINE, don't get me started on that. :nuke:

REAL black women helped make America great: Harriet Tubman, Bessie Smith, Barbara Jordan, Shirley Chisholm, and Maxine Waters, to name but a few.

Oprah is a white blight on their names.

[LostinVA]

201. You really need to look into what Oprah does a bit more

Yeah, she has bought into her press a bit much the last few years, but do you have any idea how much she gives to the community every year. Millions, in both time, money, and using her name to get things done. College scholarships, literacy programs, programs in Africa... hundreds of things that are never publicized.

The Hermes thing? Who frigging cares! She gets press like that because she is a successful black woman, and that is the truth. She isn't white, doesn't act white, and doesn't try to be white. I don't begrudge her her $2,000 handbags -- it's her fucking money; she earned every cent of it. She comes from a very working class background, was sexually abused for many years, and made it in a business and at a time when women had trouble making it, let alone a black women. Jesus. Give her a BREAK.

Re: Arnold. She fucked up there, but the kindness was to Maria Shriver, not Arnold. Maria befriended her in Baltimore many years ago, and I think Oprah was showing her appreciation for this kindness. Yeah, a mistake, but Oprah didn't elect him governor.

She si NOT a REpublican! God, that's just nasty.

Her magazine? Not my cup of tea, but neither is Popular Mechanics, but a lot of people enjoy them, so it's no skin off of my nose.

And, Oprah is NOT a blight on their anmes... for every give away show she has a show celebrating minorities and women. And she has helped educate and raise up so many people,

For the record, I';m white.

The amount of Oprah bashing on DU is disturbing. Direct the vitriolic where it should be directed. And flame away -- I have a cold and am going to bed.

[Zomby Woof]

205. She acts like one

Which is as bad.

She is so fake... that is why we hate her. She does MORE damage by pretending to be compassionate and caring.

On her special yesterday, a person broke down in front of her and needed some SERIOUS comfort. Oprah barely touched her shoulder. She couldn't deign to mess up her clothes on TeeVee! :eyes:

Sorry, but when someone acts that phony, and throws a tantrum outside of a ritzy store ($6000, not $2000, and that is still obscene), they MIGHT AS WELL BE a repuke.

Her abuse and her background may have once been worthwhile of praise, but she squandered it with extreme narcissism. SO many better black female role models (I listed some, I could list more) to choose from, and I think she has worn out her 15 minutes and then some.

Oprah sucks poo.

[Kukesa]

203. I love you, Woofie!! n/t

[LostinVA]

199. I'm white and I respect Oprah very much, even if she

has bought into her press a little much the past few years. She gives so much to the community, especially minorities and women. She's amazing. Kudos for Miss O!

And, I don't mind her introducing Martha to the masses... it's her unleashing the smug, misogynistic hell that is Dr. Phil that is unforgivable!

[Lecky]

208. WTF LOL?

"She pretends to be black, but the way she behaved at Hermes in Paris makes her whiter than Beverly Hills."

Yeah...because only white people are capable of acting stuck up.

:sarcasm:

[nini]

16. Does not liking Oprah make one a racist?

Seriously.. I don't like Oprah for a couple reasons.. none of which are because she's black.

I don't like those white guys you listed either and all for the same reason.. they're all rich overpaid egotistical snobs.

My disdain for certain people runs on both sides of the color line.


Personally, I hope she blows the roof off of this mess. I'll be more than happy to change my view of her if she does what she has the ability to do.

edit: clarification

[eleny]

2. Not on here for at least an hour

Please give some details as you're able.

[Tyranny_R_US]

3. Yes I agree details would be great

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. PLEASE post what the doctor says about putting dying people in the morgue

to die? I won't be able to see the show until tonight's repeat. Thanks! :hi:

[architect359]

6. What time's the repeat? Thanks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. 11:00 central time. n/t

[MissB]

9. Uh, is that supposed to be on Oprah today?

Seriously?

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Yes. This is this morning's repeat show. It's on again at 11:00 P.M.

central time. It follows Nightline here.

[GreenPartyVoter]

35. Yes, she confirmed it. They are putting people in the morgue to die in

peace.
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45. OMG. Thanks, GPV.

:cry:

[GreenPartyVoter]

99. *crying with you* They are dying all alone... no family with them... just

surrounded by dead bodies.


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[Lorien]

149. The doctor met one woman who had written her own name

and birthdate on her forearm, so that if she died she would be identified.

[julialnyc]

150. and the doctor said "that's not a bad idea"

n/t

[Imagevision]

62. They were putting those people who were too sick to treat or didn't

expect to live in the make shift morgue to allow them to die in peace?? uncomprehensible...? hard to describe, just not enough doctors, equipment, facilities.

[rocktivity]

86. Say WHAT? That's not what Bush's culture of life is about!!!!

If it was good enough for Terri Schiavo, it's good enough for them! Well, George? Are you going to jump out of a helicopter and put a stop to it?

YOU GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THERE TO WHERE THEY CAN DIE WITH DIGNITY!

:mad:
rocknation

[wtmusic]

119. Too sick to treat?

That's a new one.

[Ladyhawk]

168. Actually triage isn't new, but I've never heard of putting those who are

going to die in the morgue before their time...sickening. :(

[Rabrrrrrr]

185. Well, let's be honest - desperate times call for desperate measures

Gotta put 'em somewhere to make room for the sick who can be treated.

[stickdog]

191. More like desperate, murderous failures call for desperate political

apologists.

[LostinVA]

200. No, it was an act of mercy -- you had to see the show

The doctor put those who were definitely going to die into the freezer that was the makeshift morgue -- so they could die in peace. It was quiet in there, and away from staring eyes and filth. I understood what he was saying. He is a very, very compassionate wonderful guy....

[flyarm]

84. you were 100% right incognito!!!!!!!!!..you were right!!

that dr said the dying were put "IN THE MORGUE"

he did not say "near the morgue" ..he said the dying and ones they could do nothing to help were put "IN THE MORGUE TO DIE ALONE AND WITH NO ONE WITH THEM"

THE DR SAID IN 20 YRS OF SEEING DEATH , HE NEVER SAW ANYTHING LIKE IT..HE WAS VERY UPSET AND MOVED TO ALMOST TEARS..

but this dr did not say they put the dying "near the morgue " like that obvious freeper tried to lie about this morning on your post...

you were right and obviously that person was lying...and probably a freeper...

so tell me what kind of a human being lies to cover up the murder of so many ?? what are these fucking freepers..how do they live with themselves..??

how???

what the fuck is wrong with these fucking so called people...they will lie and kill to protect fucking *...they deserve to rot in fucking hell..that will be too good for them...

what has become of our nation??

i want these fucking freepers out of my country ..and damn it i want to take my country back..those fuckers better stay way away from me...

those little lying fuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!

christian?? they call themselves christian..well then christ must be evil!!!!!!!!!!!! because these fuckers are worst than evil...they are the devil on earth! and their god is the anti christ!

i have never been so angry ...

what have we become americans ..10,000 dead people corraled like animals and let them die while the freepers god played golf...

what are we willing to do people to get these monsters out of our house...or "white house"??

our white house is now dripping with the blood of americans and iraqi's and so many ....what are we willing to do..stay on the phone every day and demand impeachment ..demand bush be put on trial??

are we willing to go all the way to seeing that our congress removes this son of a bitch from our government?? and puts him in prison??
how many dead are we going to accept in our name?????????

god help us....

i am sorry ..i am sorry this is my country...

they are now making a mass grave for the victims of NO...they will push them into a mass grave...are you willing to accept that americans?

i hate my country right now..i really do.........

fly

[architect359]

5. Argh! I'm at work on the West Coast

Please update so I can follow along. Thanks!

[AlCzervik]

18. me too, won't be on here for another 3 hours--drats!

[Cassandra]

10. Interview with Nagin...

he was pissed!

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. She is doing very well so far. Interviews at the Astrodome next

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[supernova]

19. She went into the Superdome

she said the stench was just fowl. "Where a natural disaster became a man-made disaster"

[julialnyc]

20. Is Nagin going to blame Blanco?

it sorta sounded like it

[Lorien]

22. Oprah after hearing horror stories form the chief of police

and Nagin (who finally broke down in tears and had to leave) stood outside the Superdome and cried herself, then yelled "It makes me so MAD. IT MAKES ME SO MAAAAADDDD!!!!"


:cry:

[Tatiana]

24. Wow... thanks for the update.

:cry:

[barbaraann]

25. Oprah, do you remember when George W. Bush kissed you?

Couldn't you tell he was a reptile?

[eleny]

30. She is also growing up as Smith of FOX and Cooper of CNN

To see it up front and personal - she'll enter a new phase of her public life.

[barbaraann]

33. I think you're right.

She could make a huge, huge difference.

[LostinVA]

202. Have you ever seen the photo of Bush kissing her?

The look on her face was pricelss...

[eleny]

26. I hope this moves people throughout the country to get as angry as she

If she can accomplish that, it could - no, it WILL be enormous.

[ronnykmarshall]

Bush better be worried ..

When Oprah's pissed at you ........ look out !

[skooooo]

142. Uh, yeah, when Oprah's yelling on TV...

heads are gonna roll.

[tjdee]

131. She yelled "It makes me so mad?"

You do NOT want to piss off Oprah.

Michael Brown, at least, better start packing his bags.

[Lorien]

136. Twice. n/t

[skooooo]

141. omg did she really?

It's not been on in the West Coast yet.

[Chovexani]

27. She's comforting people in the Astrodome now

People crying and thanking her for coming. Saying they need prayer. Oh god this is just heartbreaking.

[Bumblebee]

29. She should be the one asking Bush to resign.

She owes it to us after that cursed kiss in 2000.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. AND helping get Ahhhhhhhhhhhnold elected.

:grr:

[Bumblebee]

34. Yes, she owes it to us BIG TIME!!!

[eleny]

37. And where is Ron Silver these days?

He was so visible during the campaign season. Where the hell is he today?

[julialnyc]

36. OMG!! The people loaded on planes

I'm crying

[GreenPartyVoter]

38. At least they are alive and getting help. Who is still alive and trapped

somewhere? And how much longer can we expect to find survivors?

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[Chovexani]

39. It looked like a slave ship.

People are being taken to the morgue to die in peace. OMFG. :cry:

[nini]

43. I'm glad she brought that up

that is the most disgusting thing .. Especially after that fucking Shaivo crap.

We are below 3rd world when they're not even trying to save people.

:cry:

[julialnyc]

40. Nate on

he was in the tsunami

[Chovexani]

41. Lisa Ling and Nate Berkus in Metairie (sp?)

Looks like a war zone.

[Lorien]

42. Oh God

segment with the doctor-people who are too sick are being left in the morgue to die!! :cry:

[Chovexani]

44. Oh my god

This guy with the dog is killing me. Just killing me. Fuck all these heartless DUers who are saying screw the animals...they need to look at the pain on that guy's face and tell him that.

Nate took his dog for him and they were reunited.

[Jeanette in FL]

46. Oh my God

When you think that you can't cry no more. That was so moving.

[incapsulated]

47. I just turned it on and caught that

I burst out in tears when he hugged the guy who said he would save his dog.

[incapsulated]

51. Ah, Oprah is playing the "race card"!

"Would this happen in a white, affluent community?" One of the commentators asks.

I guess she's playing the "blame game", how sad.

[incapsulated]

54. Oops, thought I was posting in the main thread, sorry

[sescob]

60. I cried too n/t

[rucky]

48. Pets are family

I can't believe they wouldn't let 'em on the busses.

[Chovexani]

55. And he waited patiently for everyone else to go

That's the worst part. He didn't want to take up space, etc. with his dog that could be used for people. He waited patiently and they told him he could take the dog, and at the last minute they couldn't.

I would have lost it.

[Lorien]

57. The young man-24-with his 14 year old dog Rafiki

looking into his dog's eyes with absolute love; they wouldn't leave without Rafiki. When Nate said that a woman in another town was willing to foster Rafiki, the young man broke down crying and hugged Nate with such heartfelt gratitude (Nate was crying too). All the animal haters on DU need to watch and learn.

(Nate, BTW, is Oprah's decorator who survived the Tsunami but lost his SO in the second wave).

[enigmatic]

68. That did it for me

I cried after seeing that.

I was never a huge Oprah fan, but after this show I never say a bad word about her, ever.

[leftchick]

91. She LOVES dogs

I have no doubt she directed rescue groups to thoe that needed help!

[B Calm]

154. That tore me up too.

[sunnystarr]

187. I think Nate kept the dogs at the place he was staying

and made sure the dogs and owners were reunited the next day. I cried for 20 minutes when that young man broke down and hugged him.

[malaise]

96. Man he made me cry big time

This has been eight days of cry me a river.

[fooj]

108. Yes. I cry until I honestly don't know where the tears are coming from.

I am so ashamed. I am so angry.

Peace.

[julialnyc]

49. I love lisa ling!

she went "there"


"if this was somewhere else would it have taken this long"

[Chovexani]

50. Lisa Ling asked the million dollar question!!

Would these people have had to wait and suffer if it had happened in an affluent white community?

Oprah: This is America and these are Americans.

Fuck all you Oprah haters. Seriously.

[Tatiana]

53. I'm glad this was said. And nationally broadcast. n/t

[eleny]

73. Listen...

People are irritated with her because she courted Bush and helped Arnold get elected. This is the reason there's negativity toward her. One can surely understand why they've had it with her.

And I'm wondering today where the hell are all the Republican celebrities today? Remember Ron Silver during the conventions? Where the hell is he today telling us how wonderful Bush and the Republicans are?

I've had it with all of them - unless they rally people against how this whole ordeal has been handled. Oprah seems to be doing her part from what I'm reading in this thread. Her show will air here shortly. But don't blame people for how they feel about Oprah. She made her bed. This is her opportunity to do real good for the people of the Gulf Coast and for the nation.

[Chovexani]

85. Nope, sorry, don't want to hear it

I don't understand why people are so vitriolic toward Oprah. I really don't. She's an entertainer, not a journalist (though she did start her career as one) or a politician. Am I saying she's above criticism? No, certainly not, no one is...and there is stuff that she's done that I don't agree with. But she has done a hell of a lot of good in this world. A lot more than the armchair peanut gallery that always comes out of the woodwork to trash her will ever do.

Sell it somewhere else, kthnxbye.

[tjdee]

130. Oh PLEASE she "courted" Bush.

I just don't understand that charge AT ALL. For god's sake, he kissed her on the cheek, AFTER the show, if I recall correctly (even if not, whatever). Was she supposed to punch him in the face? I have *seen* the picture, and it does NOT look like it was a mutual lovefest.

She didn't give him easy questions, etc. etc. etc.

Also, she led the season with Al Gore. So you saw commercial after commercial after commercial about Alby. More publicity. And she *asked* Gore for a hug. She gave Alby time, she gave Bush time.

She did a voting show, which doesn't lend itself to the current party in power...Bush asked her to go to Afghanistan after 9/11 and she said NO.

As for Arnold, that was a bad decision--*but* Maria Shriver is almost her best friend for pete's sake, and it *was* a newsworthy story if you get away from the fact that he kisses Bush's ass.

I don't know what people want from her, geez!

[Dem2theMax]

196. Like no one on this board has EVER made a mistake in life.

Oprah has given away MILLIONS and will continue to do so, to help the poor, those with HIV and Aids, children who are orphans. She already HAS done good for the nation and the world. I'm sure we don't know half of what she has done in the way of helping out those in need.

But heck, let's not take ANY of THAT into account because she 'courted?' * and 'helped Arnold get elected.' Yeah, Arnolds wife just happens to be one of her best friends in the world. So she probably wouldn't come out swinging against the guy out of respect for her friend. As for *, courted? LMAO.

Nah, let's not pay ANY attention at all to the good this woman has done for the world. It's SO much more fun to belittle her and make ourselves feel SO BIG. :puke:

[LostinVA]

204. Errr... she didn't court Bush

She had on Bush and also Kerry on her show. She is definitely not a Repub....

[GreenPartyVoter]

52. Jamie Foxx and Matthew McConaughey up next

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[incapsulated]

58. "The baby's heart rate is over 200, that means.."

"There's not enough food in the body."

[Chovexani]

61. While we are watching this

Remember help was not allowed in.

[incapsulated]

64. The baby was in that condition..

BECAUSE help was not allowed in.

There is no pit in hell deep enough...

[Chovexani]

78. If there was any doubt that these neocon bastards have blood on their hand

That poor child just eradicated it.

These son of a bitches will have to account for this. Every last single one of them.

[kath]

118. help is STILL not being allowed in!

[cynatnite]

59. I'm so moved by this

:cry:

DAMN BUSH!!!!!!!!

[Tatiana]

63. And the rest of America is, I suspect.

I knew Oprah would do right by the victims and survivors :cry:

[GreenPartyVoter]

65. They are showing dead bodies. Touching them. Covering them...

I am so mad and sad. Crying and ready to throw something.

THIS. DID. NOT. HAVE. TO BE. THIS. WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you are also pissed please PLEASE go to the thread below and tell Congress you are mad as hell and that this is NOT allowed to happen in this country.

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Save the Gulf:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=22507&mesg_id=22507

Then save the nation!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm

[mshasta]

69. I am piss off!!!!!! at this:

Penn accuses Bush amid rescue chaos

He told the Liverpool Daily Post: "I couldn't describe how bad the authorities were. Just little things like taking photographs of us, as we are standing on the roof waving for help, for their own little snapshot albums.

"At one point, there were a load of girls on the roof of the hotel saying 'Can you help us?' and the policemen said 'Show us what you've got' and made signs for them to lift their T-shirts. When the girls refused, they said 'Fine' and motored off down the road in their boat

[eleny]

82. They need to be dragged into a public place and shamed

And then fired on the spot.

Edit: By "fired" I mean lose their jobs.

[Iris]

89. All the ugliness is coming out, isn't it?

It's as if the civil and equal rights movements never even exsisted. I guess these people have had to hide this for the past 30 years and now we have a leadership who supports them letting it all out.

[SammyWinstonJack]

138. What? I just starting watch Oprah. I'm glad she is showing this.

I can not believe those cops did that! :grr:

[Andromeda]

195. Holy crap!

"At one point, there were a load of girls on the roof of the hotel saying 'Can you help us?' and the policemen said 'Show us what you've got' and made signs for them to lift their T-shirts. When the girls refused, they said 'Fine' and motored off down the road in their boat

You have got be freakin' kidding!!! The horror of this experience will never be forgotten, OMG those poor girls.

[Iris]

72. So has any light been shed on the sending almost dead people to the morgue

What is the story on that?

[GreenPartyVoter]

102. It is true

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Save the Gulf:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=22507&mesg_id=22507

Then save the nation!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm

[Lorien]

133. Yes. a doctor on her team showed the dying being

carried into the morgue. He walked in, then came out saying "this has changed the way I view life".

[julialnyc]

66. holy shit

i can't stop crying!
From the rescued dog,to lisa ling, to the doctor.............. it's too much!

God I feel for these people

[sescob]

67. This is hard to watch

I think she is showing things I haven't even seen anywhere else. The dead bodies on the street, in the water... the condition of the Superdome.

How can ANYONE watch this and think that these people deserved it or that the govt is not to blame in the least?

So sad.

[Melodybe]

74. Way to go Oprah! I knew she really did care.

[Jeanette in FL]

79. You are so right

MSM though they have been covering it, they haven't shown us this. I am so glad that Oprah did this. We are seeing the real story.

[Chovexani]

70. You know what I really love about this

Not once has Oprah called the people "refugees". She keeps emphasizing that these are Americans. "Our fellow citizens" she just called them.

She is putting a human face on this, which is one of the things she does best.

[justiceischeap]

71. ANYONE TAPE THIS?

If so, can I get a copy?

[sescob]

76. Her shows usually rerun at night

I think on the WE Network?

[justiceischeap]

80. I checked my local listings

And nada! I don't think we even have WE in Hampton Roads.

[Tatiana]

98. What about the Oxygen channel? n/t

[justiceischeap]

103. Usually just "Oprah After the Show"

but I'll double-check when I get home.

[Chovexani]

90. In some markets she is rerun after that tool Jimmy Kimmel

At least in NYC.

[justiceischeap]

92. Doesn't seem to be in mine

But I'll double-check my tv guide when I get home.

[tjdee]

140. Have you checked her site? Check for the rerun...

If you go to http://www2.oprah.com/tows/program/tows_prog_whenwhere.jhtml

and enter in your state, etc., it'll give you a time.

For me, I knew that time (4pm) and I missed it. I went to the station's site and looked for the rerun....for me it's about 1 in the morning.

You sure you don't get a rerun late at night?

[BronxBoy]

169. Checked

but there is nada here in Georgia. Wasn't home at 4PM

[tjdee]

171. Don't worry. DUer Melodybe has TIVO'ed it and bpilgrim is going to

host it.

So anyway you will probably see it tomorrow or the day after.

There's another show tomorrow---so this is like a 2 parter.

[sunnystarr]

188. I taped it ...

I can make a dvd and mail it to you. Contact me.

[PA Democrat]

75. Doctor made an important point. 99% of the people of NO have behaved with

an incredible amount of grace. But sadly so much of the focus has been on the 1%.

He also was sickened by the bodies just left where they died. He covered one woman's body along the side of a road and said everyone deserved that respect.

I thought I had no more tears to cry.

[julialnyc]

145. he was amazing! he certainly had the right words

n/t

[cynatnite]

81. 'Blatant Disregard' from Jamie Foxx n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

87. these are Americans

he was going to cry

[BronxBoy]

167. Is that what he said

or is that how he acted?

[cynatnite]

178. His words and Oprah repeated them n/t

[julialnyc]

83. Oprah will raise soooooooo much money to help these people

and everyone one is leaving with the message: what took them so long?

[understandinglife]

88. What she is doing will make it impossible for anyone to escape ...

... the wrath of the people. This show will be seen all over the world and people will be sending clips of it and .... it will spread and spread and spread ....

All I can say is thank you Oprah ......


Peace.

[cynatnite]

93. Second it!!

Crafting an email to Oprah right now.

Bless you, Oprah (and I'm not even all that religious)

[understandinglife]

120. Can you post or PM me her email address, please? Thank you.

Peace.

[Booster]

111. Don't care what anybody says, I love Oprah.

:loveya:

[Chovexani]

116. Oprah is my girl.

I don't care either.

[HEAVYHEART]

146. I used to love her

Then I stopped watching for some reason, not sure why. But now I love her again!!! :loveya:

[Liberty Belle]

94. Is there a video link for this?

[Hatalles]

100. I'd love a link too.

College student here w/ no cable... all I get is foreign-language channels, shopping network, PBS, and an independent TV station that runs nothing but syndicated sitcoms and paid programming.

[Lorien]

113. Some segments should be available on

www.oprah.com

[julialnyc]

151. check post #128

[Imagevision]

95. Mathew McConehy just put in touch a young woman who got

seperated from her 3 daughters, the mom's in Louisanna, Mathew via cell phone somehow got info and handed the woman a cell phone to talk to her daughters now located in Texas.

[eleny]

97. What?! No recommendations for this thread? Recommended!!!

[eleny]

101. Thank you guys n' gals!!!

[fooj]

112. Good call! Recommend!

Peace.

[eleny]

115. We all got caught up in the broadcast

:grouphug:

[Chovexani]

104. Oprah says

Stop calling these people refugees, they are survivors and AMERICANS.

[mshasta]

107. about fucking bad time!!!!!!!!!!!

[cynatnite]

106. Govt. owes the people an apology--Oprah

She was being too gracious, but I don't it was what she really wanted to say.

[Lorien]

109. She had tears in her eyes during the entire program

so did I. It continues tomorrow.

[eleny]

114. Tomorrow. too? Perfect!

[leftchick]

117. My Analysis of this show.. DEVASTATING FOR BUSH!

1. She was not accompanied by any FEMA/FEDs only the Mayor and city of NO police chief. Who have had no sleep for days and are staying in NO throughout.

2. The Dead and Dying throughout her whole show. Where is the help once again?

3. All of the celebrities spending millions to do what the FEDs should have been doing.

4. The Doctor walking at the convention center and others site was devastating. It was heartbreaking and horrible.

That is just a quick synopsis but my gut feeling is bush is going to look real bad even to the stepford repuke wives who watch Oprah. Where Was Our Government???

[sescob]

121. ITA!

Basically all these actors, singers and celebrities were THERE and HELPING out before the FEDERAL GOV'T. How is that??? They can't say it was impossible to get in!

[julialnyc]

122. This show did sooooo much to hurt Bush

I'm sure many people watching.... who may not have even been political before were screaming at their tv "what took so long!'

[Tesibria]

123. I agree 100%

"This country owes these people an apology"

"We - the people - will not let them stand alone."

Ok -- so many of us might wish she would have ripped Bush a new one. I think she let the footage speak for itself. I think it was MORE powerful this way.

And -- "this Country" -- is the country that elected this Man (or - if we didn't elect him; if the election was indeed stolen; we failed to raise a significant-enough stink about it).

I think it was VERY VERY powerful - and perfect in its pitch.

[Lorien]

132. The program made me feel physically ill

Bushbots should be FORCED to watch it-though it's debatable if they even have souls that can be reached.

[B Calm]

155. Who we kidding, the bastards would enjoy seeing the suffering.

[KyndCulture]

124. Well like her or not, you have to admit Oprah has influence!

She's got a huge diverse audience and she does have influence. I don't the channel she comes on here out in the boonies, but if I did I would have watched today.

Sounds like she did a damn good thing.

[tjdee]

125. I missed it! URGH!

:grr:

Dang.

[julialnyc]

126. a small thing (no matter how silly it sounds) that made me happy

was that people seemed so grateful to see Oprah and give her a hug. Even if it is just feeling good for one minute in that hell I'm glad they got that minute.


and if anyone there was worried that the world was still ignoring them, I hope that gave them some hope that they will not be left behind any longer

[HEAVYHEART]

143. Not silly at all

That made me happy too! :-)

[julialnyc]

127. Oprah replays after Jimmy Kimmel Live (around midnight)

or at least on my abc affiliate

[julialnyc]

128. you can view clips on her site... also I am thanking her a thank you email

http://www2.oprah.com/index.jhtml

[julialnyc]

129. Just checked her schedule and Kanye West is on Friday!

wonder if it was pre-taped from before the speech?

[Lorien]

134. Replaying again in Central Florida at 9pm, channel 27 n/t

[Jeanette in FL]

172. Lorien, what station is that?

My mom lives in Orlando and she didn't see it.

[Lorien]

192. (for tomorrow's show) it's channel 27

that's all I know-I don't have cable (it's a non-cable station).

[julialnyc]

135. some celebrity kindness (MTV has Kanye and rolling stones!)

Celebrities Rush to Aid Relief Effort

Celebrities donated money and time, in person and on TV, to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. On Monday, Oprah Winfrey and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., visited Houston, where singer Macy Gray spent Saturday in the Astrodome, handing out clothing and toiletries to some of the more than 18,500 evacuees from New Orleans who have found a home in the sports arena.

Writer John Grisham and his wife have donated $5 million to establish a relief fund to help Mississippians rebuild. Grisham said the Rebuild the Coast Fund Organization will aid Mississippi residents and businesses.

Alan Jackson will donate the proceeds from his concert Thursday in Columbus, Ohio, to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund. Green Day, REM, Pearl Jam, Moby, the Beastie Boys and The Roots, along with actors Tim Robbins and John Cusack, have joined MoveOn.org Civic Action to produce public-service announcements designed to find housing for hurricane victims. And Willie Nelson and Farm Aid launched the Family Farm Disaster Fund. Farm Aid has sent an initial $30,000 to partner organizations in the Southeast.



Following NBC's A Concert for Hurricane Relief, which won its time slot Friday with an average 7.4 million viewers, according to preliminary ratings, more TV relief efforts gathered momentum.

*The six broadcast networks will join forces Friday for Shelter from the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast, to raise funds for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The one-hour special will be simulcast on ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, UPN and WB (8 p.m. ET/tape PT). The musical lineup was expected to be announced today.

*MTV Networks' benefit ReAct Now: Music & Relief (Sept. 10, 8 p.m. ET/PT on MTV, VH1 and CMT) will showcase the Rolling Stones, Neil Young, Kanye West, Sheryl Crow, Paul McCartney and the Neville Brothers.

*The Grand Ole Opry and TV network Great American Country (GAC) will hold Country Reaches Out: An Opry Benefit for the American Red Cross, Sept. 27 (9 p.m. ET) featuring Alan Jackson, Alison Krauss, Craig Morgan and Billy Currington.

*On Sept. 22, the Gospel Music Channel and I (formerly PAX TV) will air Gospel Angels, a live concert from Atlanta and other locations featuring gospel and Christian-music stars. (7 p.m. ET on the Gospel Music Channel, 8 p.m. ET on I.)

Additionally, relief efforts along the Gulf Coast have led Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to postpone his appearance on CBS' Late Show with David Letterman, originally scheduled for tonight.


Source: USA TODAY

[Chovexani]

157. BET is also having a telethon on Friday

http://www.bet.com/Music/BETTelethonForHurricaneRelief.htm??Referrer={E8B573E5-316E-4783-A9C9-F6B208DD3966}

[liveoaktx]

137. Oh, geez, this is more graphic than the news-wow

[julialnyc]

148. I couldn't believe it

and she has a bigger audience than any show....plus she has been on break (and doesn't come back for another week after this week) so people really anticipate her new shows.



I'm sure most turned on for the topic, but many, many tuned in just because it was a new Oprah

[laura888]

160. Details please! n/t

[Rabrrrrrr]

147. Sounds like it's fucking Rwanda in there,

and like Rwanda, the American government stands idly by, doing nothing.

[stickdog]

193. In where?

Cause it's sounding a little like Barbara Bush in here

[Rabrrrrrr]

206. In New Orleans

[B Calm]

152. I'm still crying... Thank you Oprah for showing the damn truth!

[julialnyc]

153. Me too! And it's already been over for an hour here

I can't wait until tomorrow's show and I'm hoping Kanye West on friday is new

[Jeanette in FL]

165. Me too, almost 2 hours later

The images that she showed will never leave me. MSM whitewashed their coverage in my opinion. We knew what was going on, but we didn't have a clue.

[julialnyc]

156. also, did Oprah say they had been down there for 6 days?

and I read she organized through many organizations (like second harvest) and companies (like fedex).Maybe Oprah should lead FEMA!

[erinlough]

158. People of the catastrophe

I am sorry for not yelling louder when I saw what a mess this administration has been. I promise to write my congress members right now and demand that they hold this administration up to the contempt they deserve. I promise to never let another disaster happen without doing what I can. I promise to teach this lesson to all who will hear, regardless of the inconvenience to myself, regardless of who likes or doesn't like it. I promise to use all the resources at my command to fight the abuses of my fellow man. I will leave my children with a better world and a world where abuses like this never happen again. And, when the revolution begins I will be on the side that fights for the rights of all of us, even if that means my life (and I do not think I am being dramatic).

[erinlough]

166. Letters sent / eom

[StellaBlue]

161. I have been wondering what I could possibly do...

I am recently returned to the USA after four years living abroad... I am unemployed, looking for a job, staying with family, no car, very little cash, etc...

There are, as yet, no survivors in my area, though our NG base has been activated and may become a long-term shelter in the near future.

After watching this, and know that, not only during this time of crisis, but EVERY SINGLE DAY, there are people, good people, living in hell, I need to change my life and do something about it.

I have always been outspoken; I have protested and written letters and worked in campaigns.

But what can I do now? I want to live my life so that it matters; so that, when I die, I know I've done everything I could to make the world better, not worse. That's what I've always admired about MLK, Gandhi, etc. And that's what I took away from 'The Passion', too (I am an atheist - but after this Oprah program, I was even thinking of becoming a nun!). Some people are 'awake' and try in every moment to Do The Right Thing. I think most of us on this board are striving toward that. As opposed to striving for money, status, etc.

What were YOU moved to do?

[julialnyc]

162. Oprah on again at 7:00 ET

my channel 25

[julialnyc]

164. write to oprah to thank her

I'm sure repukes are writing to yell at her

[chalky]

175. And if they do, I hope she reads every word of filth they send her ON AIR

and exposes the hatred and evil to the viewers.

People need to WAKE THE HELL UP to the scorpions that are breeding under the foundations of this country.

[onecent]

186. address or email please n/t

[Lorien]

194. Oh yeah they are; join the message boards and educate a freeper:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4674833&mesg_id=4674833

[watercolors]

170. Bush should be locked in super dome

along with his dis- administration. He has had the guts to show up in the city and even talk to poeple there. COWARD!!Thank you Oprah the nation now will understand the scope of this, you brought it home to them.

[tjdee]

173. When did she get there?

Anyone know/did she say?

[tedzbear]

174. Excellent coverage by Oprah.

I was extremely relieved when I realized she was going to show IT ALL.

The chimp will be toast after Oprah is finished with him.

[understandinglife]

176. Link at dKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/6/161135/8898

Approaching 400 comments.


Peace.

[Blue_Roses]

179. so moving

I cried throughout the entire show. The guy who was being forced to leave his dog tore me up. Nate--I just love the guy--came through for him...just so heart-wrenching...

I'm still reeling from this and it's been two hours ago.:cry:

horrible, horrible, horrible that this atrosity has happened

[Lorien]

180. You and me both

a friend called while I was watching it. They asked what was wrong and I said "I'm watching Oprah-it's about Katrina. Sorry, I can't talk right now". Then I started crying. They probably think I'm PMSing or something, but I think that few could watch that show without a lump in their throats.

[Technowitch]

209. Locking

Oprah's show is long since over... and this discussion's played itself out, and in some rather unpleasantly race-baiting directions.

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