It's TRUE! Dying people ARE being left in the morgues to DIE!

[in_cog_ni_to]

Confirmed by many who just watched the repeat! This is SICK!

on edit...I'm sorry...Oprah's show today had a doctor on who said they are taking dying patients to the MORGUE and just leaving them to DIE..all alone, with no family....:cry: I'm just sick...again!

I started a thread about this this morning and someone had posted that what I said wasn't true. Hence, this thread. The other one got locked. :grr:

[Straight Shooter]

1. OMFG.

It is worse than sick. It is criminal. It is psychological terror.

Who's your terrorist daddy now, America? :banghead:

[libertypirate]

2. link confirms best!

[FormerRepublican]

3. ???

More info, please.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. On Oprah's show from Dallas, a doctor told her that they are leaving

dying patients in the MORGUE to die. :cry: If there's nothing they can do, they just take them to the morgue and leave them to die...alone, no family with them. :cry:

[kitkat65]

94. Just a little clarification . . .

The morgue that was identified appeared to be a makeshift area within the NO airport that was divided off by hanging white sheets. I don't know if the cameras were not allowed in the area or if it was a production decision not to exploit the situation, but that was the only thing shown to the viewer.

The doctor was obviously very moved by what he saw.

Now, the rest of the airport that held the sick and injured did appear to be in a cacophonous state - in other words, less than calm or peaceful. I've seen pictures of people laying on the baggage conveyors. Would anyone here want to die like that?

Given the situation, the medical people there put these people somewhere where they could perhaps die with SOME dignity given the limited resources.

We were later shown the dead on the streets of NO that didn't even have THAT small "luxury." Bodies, just lying there not covered along with the trash blowing around on the street. The doctor took it upon himself to cover up one woman as best he could.

Yes, it is horrific and sad and should have NEVER had to happen and I'm not making excuses for anybody. I just want to make it clear that it's not a typical morgue with the refrigerators, formaldehyde smell and autopsy tables. Given the situation, it was the best they could do.

[MissB]

4. I'm sure I missed the original thread this morning or something

and I'm assuming this is from Oprah's show?

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Yes. A doctor from Oprah said they are doing this.

:cry:

[Liberty Belle]

5. Oprah reported this, another thread here says.

[fooj]

6. Where is the link? Could you please share it w/us?

Peace.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. It was on Oprah's show. I edited my OP...there's a little more info now. ;

:cry:

[PuraVidaDreamin]

SHAME!

Please give them a heavy dose of Morphine PLEASE
and find someone to stay with them until they pass.

[dweller]

7. Oprah, right?

i thought i heard her say that.

just started watching it.
dp

[ChairmanAgnostic]

8. Monty Python was way ahead of its time - comedians seeing US

For the evil it can represent. Well, not all of us.

For OUR COUNTRY TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN IS BLOOODY CRIMINAL.
I promise to quit shouting. DAMN IT!

[SillyGoose]

10. Yes, I saw it as well. This is the most disturbing thing I've heard yet

I have no words.

[gatorboy]

12. Is that why reporters were ordered to stay out?

This is horrible...3rd world countries have nothing on us. :(

[Gary173]

13. Fifteen hundred

Cuban doctors would save a large percntage of those.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Right. Thanks to Bush, they won't be here.

These people are sick and evil.

[mshasta]

20. I know.....

my god let the international aid get in!!!!!!!!!!!!


OHMG we are FUCKING DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[cynatnite]

14. All I can do is:

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[bloom]

15. I'm getting ready to watch it at 4 Central

I'm glad Oprah is showing this.

(The other thread should not have gotten locked - just because people alerted on the flamethrower).

[incapsulated]

16. This is incomprehensible

Just when I think I can't hear anything worse.

I really am at a loss for words.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. It's demented, isn't it?

Those poor people. :cry:

[onecent]

18. IMPEACH BUSH!! BRING ALL THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

[SeanQ]

21. OMFG

:puke: Please let this turn out to not be true, please...

[Midlodemocrat]

22. It is true. And if your thread got locked this morning,

it is because we are desperately trying to avoid any over the top conspiracy type theories. Reason being the freeps that have been stealth posters will have a frigging field day.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. OK. I was wondering why.

:(

[Midlodemocrat]

25. Don't take it personally. It wasn't a slight at you at all.

At this level, it is really, really hard for us to keep a lid on the disruptors. Some of them are actually freepers, but others are just people who are posting stuff that has to be removed lest we all look like idiots.

:hug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. I won't. Thanks.

:hug:

[Iris]

63. Midlodemocrat, you are an awesome moderator.

You should be nominated for the SCOTUS vacancy!

[soup]

29. Think it needs to be said

that in the report the doctor said there were 50-60 a day arriving at the airport that they knew they couldn't save.

The place was a madhouse. Wall to wall people waiting for help.
They put those they knew they couldn't save in the morgue to die in peace.

I know that doesn't make this any easier or right, but it was not done out of any kind of disregard or disrespect on the part of the completely overwhelmed medical people there.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. To me, the reason doesn't matter. This is AMERICA and we have RESOURCES

available to us. We are the WORLD'S SUPER POWER and we have to resort to leaving dying people alone in a morgue to die? It breaks my heart just to think about it.:cry:

[soup]

47. But they didn't have those resources available.

The medical people were doing everything that they could under horrible conditions. The report was harrowing, just gut-wrenching - literally wall to wall people needing medical attention - about 200 patients an hour, the doctor said.

Guess I just want to make sure that the fingers of blame are not pointed at those medical people who were there. The doctor said they were putting them in the morgue to die in peace.

What else could they do under the circumstances?

[MaineDem]

51. Exactly

It seems the issue is the lack of resources...not the fact that a doctor had to decide which patients to save.

It's a very sad situation.

[soup]

67. good.

because I watched that part of the program, and the doctor and the rest of the medical people were completely overwhelmed.

When he said they were putting them in the morgue to die in peace, I think a part of him (a part of all of us) was dying as well. It wasn't happening because of the doctor's lack of regard for the dying - just really want to stress that. There's room for blame all around, but not on those who were doing everything they could to provide assistance in the midst of chaos.

[knitter4democracy]

80. Those poor doctors and nurses.

I know my husband grieves when he loses a patient he knew he could've saved if things had gone better. He's definitely a different man since med school and residency, seeing all those people die literally under his hands. I can't even begin to imagine how those doctors will cope with this.

Btw, I seriously doubt the patients are alone. I don't know any nurses who would leave a patient alone, even with the major need they're dealing with. I'm sure someone is with them.

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. Nurses would sit in a MORGUE with a patient, waiting for them to die?

:scared: In that disaster? Being as shorthanded as they are? I don't think so, but I'll know better after I watch with my own eyes tonight.

[knitter4democracy]

90. It's about comfort.

Nurses sit with dying patients every day. Many doctors do too. There are always many patients without any family or anyone to sit with them as they pass on, and the medical staff sits with them. I know my husband has, and I have a nurse friend who has on many occasions.

There's always work being done in the morgue anyway. It's never empty, so it's not like the nurse wouldn't be busy anyway.

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. .

[Tomee450]

103. But didn't Castro

offer to send a thousand doctors to help? No response was received from our government.

[tavalon]

66. That's the thing that you and other people are missing

We aren't a superpower anymore.

[Iris]

64. to die in peace? Or, to die alone and out of view of any media cameras

that might be around?

[MaineDem]

70. I think it would be better out of the view of media cameras

The dignity of the dying should mean there are no cameras as they reach their end.

I don't think anyone was covering up the deaths.

The bottom line here is that no one wanted to see these people die. I got the impression the doctors were as upset as everyone here is. But these were/are extraordinary times. The resources weren't there for them to care for everyone.

I wouldn't have wanted to make that decision but if I had a near-death patient and one I could save with the meager supplies on hand I think I know what I'd do.

[soup]

73. The cameras were there, filming the dr.,

capturing the hell on earth. So it wouldn't appear it was done to hide what was taking place. From what I saw, these people were working under hideous conditions and trying to save those they could.

If you get a chance to see the footage, you'll understand. My heart was breaking almost as much for the completely overwhelmed people trying to save lives as the people who were hurt, sick and dying in the center of this royal fuckup. (please excuse my language - it's the only word I can think of that describes it)

[Zenlitened]

76. .

(posted in wrong spot)

[knitter4democracy]

85. They aren't letting med people in.

My nurse friend tried all day last Friday to get someone to let her go down and was finally accepted by the Red Cross but has to be "trained" first. She's an ER/ICU nurse, for God's sake! What training does she need? She was almost ready to drive down herself when she was told by FEMA that they wouldn't let her in at all and would send her home, so she decided to work through channels.

Nurses who want to help and are turned away? That's why this is criminal!

[in_cog_ni_to]

104. That's ridiculous! The damn red tape is miles long!

ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!

[bloom]

30. It looked like

the thread got locked because a poster with 13 posts had a problem with the discussion.

[txindy]

53. Freeps come to DU and stealth post? Really?

:rofl:

I do see your point about the need for discretion, though.

[classof56]

27. If this is true...let us consider that it could happen to ANY of us!

No one is safe from the consequences of the disasters that Bush and his evil minions might unleash on us...and any of us could be dying alone in morgues and know for sure that Bush and his evil minions, heartless, soulless bastards/bitches that they are, simply do not care.

It's not even 2:00 p.m. here and I'm already drinking Merlot. Don't know how else to cope! I'll watch Oprah but I believe what the dr. on her show is saying is doubtless true. Beyond sad, beyond outrage, but true. Sickening!

Tired Old Cynic

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. It's true. This could happen to all of us or our family members.

I live in tornado country. :scared: I sure as hell won't be depending on this regime to help me in case of a disaster. He has destroyed this country.

I could use a Merlot. :beer: Maybe a beer will do.

[Just Me]

28. BushCO & the Republicans left them no other choice.

They blocked the aid needed to address this horrific American tragedy.

[Raiden]

31. Disgusting

I cannot believe that this is America! :grr:

[sattahipdeep]

33. Fears have been realized

"The right fix is to fire the person who led to 3,000 people dying by making
bad calls," Van Auken said. "That is the right fix. We have the wrong fixes
in place."

"We fought for the commission so we could have a full accounting of how
the attacks could have happened and why they weren't prevented,"
Breitweiser said. "This goes to show that all of our efforts and energies
trying to make the nation safer by having the independent commission give
a full accounting to the American people were futile."

"There are no words to describe our disappointment in our personal
sacrifice getting that commission up and running and in the promises that
were made to us that we would have the real 9/11 story told," Van Auken
said. "None of that has come to pass and that is very sad."

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/NEWS/508110430

[expatriate]

35. I am glad this is getting out.

I am normally not an Oprah fan - nothing personal, her style is just not my thing. But she is widely watched, and beloved, and to some degree, by a segment of society that is sheltered from bitter realities like this.

People really need their noses rubbed in something before the outrage begins. Grisly and heartbreaking as such stories are, they must be out there. People MUST be shaken out of their complacency. They need to see pictures of the rotting corpses and have the situation hammered up their asses with a two by four again and again.

I hope that the people who have been moved into the morgue to die are not conscious, but comatose and not aware. Even so, it's just tragic. Shameful and tragic.

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. I keep thinking that a dying patient gets better while in the morgue.

:cry: Can you even IMAGINE what that would be like? Waking up in a Morgue and having no way out? How many times are people on their deathbed and suddenly improve? Quite a few.

This just makes me sick.

[confuddled]

83. I'd really like to see it confirmed before it "gets out" further.

Try to imagine if you were a NOLA surviver who's been separated from/lost contact with a loved one and you heard this - on top of everything else. How would you feel?
If it's true, something needs to be done about it. Hospice? Some effort to identify the dying person and locate/notify loved ones? (Where's the "Crossing Jordan" staff? Don't tell me that's fiction.)
If it's not true,it needs to be scotched as soon as possible.
In either case, some confirmation/clarification is in order.

[in_cog_ni_to]

93. This came from the mouth of a doctor who was himself, putting dying

people in the morgue to die. It was on Oprah's show that she is doing from Dallas. The story has been confirmed from the horses mouth....the doctor who put them there. :(

[Quixote1818]

37. Sorry but I really find this impossible to believe.

Unless you can provide a reliable link I am just not biting. Not even close. I don't care if some doctor said this on the Oprah show.

[incapsulated]

38. Don't believe your lying eyes and ears, eh?

This was a doctor on the scene telling this story. What would be his reason to lie? Want to put him under oath?

[Lorien]

41. A renowned surgeon, in fact

she's had him on in the past; I think he's a heart surgeon from Johns Hopkins.

[Quixote1818]

43. People make up stuff all the time. Give me a break.

This sounds like Elementary School gossip and until the MSM picks this up I am not going to buy it.

[incapsulated]

45. So, a respected heart surgeon from Johns Hopkins...

Is passing along wild stories about people in morgues on the air because....

He wants to end his career?

[Quixote1818]

46. Ok, I will watch the show. So who is responsible for this?

I can't believe it would be legal. The outrage over this kind of thing would be out of control.

Is it possible that they are being taken their to wait for medical attention?

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. Nope. If they are too sick to help, they take them to the morgue,

still alive, mind you, and let them die there. :cry: So, so sad.

[incapsulated]

50. He said they were being taken there to die

I guess this "solution", whoever made it, solves the "problem" of seriously ill people that they do not have the resources to treat, and gets them were they will eventually wind up and out of the way.

Since this was on Oprah, I'm hoping the MSM picks it up, but I'm not holding my breath. All I can do is email them the story.

[bloom]

74. "until the MSM picks this up I am not going to buy it"

Something is only real if the MSM picks it up? Is this a joke?


You need to start listening to Democracy Now or something.

[Lorien]

39. Watch Oprah; they show the people being taken in

a doctor walks into the morgue then walks out. He says they are dying alone as John and Jane Does, with no family beside them. He said that going into that room changed the way he views life.

:cry:

[Fleshdancer]

40. It was on Oprah...they are sent to the morgue to "die in peace". n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Catch Oprah tonight at 11:00 central. See it for yourself.

:( It's true. Why the hell wouldn't you believe this? LOOK AT WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE TO THIS COUNTRY! We now have MASS GRAVES just like Saddam's. :cry: My G-d. It's all true. :cry:

[Bridget Burke]

55. It's called "triage"

Look up the word.

[incapsulated]

58. Well, yes and no...

Triage, in a disaster, is quickly assessing and categorizing the state of patients as they arrive, from those needing immediate attention to the non-urgent to those that will die. Now, the last category can differ according to what resources are available. One unit with enough resources may be able to save a person while another that is stretched to the breaking point and is forced to abandon that same person to death.

It's the image of them moving those people to the morgue that is so horrifying. The idea of living people, even those destined to die, put into a morgue with the dead is almost beyond comprehension, even if those who made that decision had the best of intentions. That may truly be the only place where people can "die in peace" down there. Which makes the whole story more horrible, this is happening in America, not a third-world disaster area.

[Occulus]

62. I've never seen a triage that mixes living and dead

with the intent of the living BECOMING the dead.

In other words, you're wrong, it's not triage. It's abandonment leading to death. In other words, callous disregard for human life AND criminal negligence, on the part of those putting them there.

These "doctors" doing this- no matter HOW sad the feel about doing so- deserve prison terms.

[KC_25]

75. I hate to break it to you...

Expectant people are moved to an expectant area, in all triages, some of them die before others. So there may be living placed with the dead.

Nothing criminal, and it is hardly neglect. What would be neglect if they used alot of needed time and resources on someone who was most likely going to die anyways... when they could have used the time and resources save 3-4 others, who are now also lost.

[incapsulated]

77. Please

You are now comparing those that die among the living with living people placed in morgues?? And this is policy in what manual??

Get off it.

[KC_25]

82. You get off it...

No one said that the morgue was already full of dead bodies, now did they? They said that people who were expectant, were taken there to die. I am sorry, and it is saddening, but you rather the Docs and Nurses burn time and resources with those that are about to die, regardless of what is done for them, or those that they may save?
Tragic? Absolutely. The fault of the Docs or Nurses? Hardly. They merely were doing what they could for those that they could.

[incapsulated]

89. It was the fucking MORGUE

Not the expectant area. I'm sure there ARE more living people among the corpses than is usual for a MORGUE since they are putting those who are still alive but not expected to continue there.

Jesus fucking christ, how this is acceptable to anyone is mind-blowing.

I already said that these people may be stretched to the point of doing this with good intentions, I never blamed any nurses or doctors although I have no idea of knowing if this was the only option or who is making these decisions.

But if you find putting those that are dying in the morgue, which is the obviously convenient place since that is were they will wind up, somehow ok, then you need to check your sense of reality.

[KC_25]

99. Morgues are empty alot of the time...

and putting someone in a morgue isnt neccesarily convienent, if they were putting all the folks that were dying in the individual refrigerators, then yeah that is beyond bad. But you have to think critically, if there is limited space for both the living and dead, what do you think that they should have done with them?
Move the dying outside to the heat bugs, and whatever other elements get to them?
Move the dead out there so that the bodies start to decompose, become putrid,start to grow bacteria that can be harmful to everyone? leave the dying right amongst all the other patients that do have a hope to survive, so that others see them and they lose hope?
I didnt say that it was "acceptable" did I? I said it was what needed to be done, and it most certainly is tragic, and my original post on the topic was to the guy that said the docs and nurses should be brought up on charges.

[bloom]

108. It wasn't an "empty" morgue

It was only a morgue because that is the area they were placing the bodies. And they had it curtained off.

Yeah - that's where I want to die - in a morgue - surrounded by dead people. Sheesh.

[Bridget Burke]

79. Mixing the dying with the dead was, indeed, horrible.

Nowadays, "triage nurses" decide who needs to see the doctor first. But Triage, as it was originally invented during Napoleon's wars, did mean that those without hope would not be treated. "Advanced Triage" still uses those categories. When resources are stretched to the breaking point, they must be devoted to those who can be helped.

Of course, the dying should have been taken to a separate area & given painkillers. But I would blame those who "allocated" the resources, not the doctors.

[Individualist]

95. I've never heard of such a case either

I agree with you. It's one thing to have a triage where people are dying among the living, but to send those who can't be helped to die in a morgue is reprehensible.

[Joe Chi Minh]

110. Oh, it happened all the time,

in the Nazi concentration camps, did't it?

[Occulus]

59. ah, Don Quixote

The man on the mad quest for nothing at all.

I'm just sayin'.

[knitter4democracy]

87. Talk to a doctor.

My husband's been saying for years that we're not ready for stuff this big and that the medical system will fail under the strain. He's an internist, and I'm sure he won't be one bit suprised by this.

[kittykitty]

42. Dr. is Memet Oz, heart surgeon who was on Bill Clinton's surgery team

team was the doctor reporting this. He was incredulous.

[anitar1]

118. He us one of the best. They refer to him at his hospital as

The Wizard of Oz. Saw him on a documentary on PBS a couple of years ago.

[txindy]

48. Here's your 5th recommendation

Take it to the Greatest page. You were right!

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Thank you! I wish I wasn't right.

:cry:

[onecent]

52. OMG the Oprah Show was FABULOUS. I am soooo moved.

Is this the woman that may bring Bush down, that they keep talking about. She is powerful. I LOVE Oprah.

God Bless Her.

[julialnyc]

54. go to this link from another thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4665267

you can read all about it plus I posted a link where you can view show clips

[NoBushSpokenHere]

57. Must have been powerful - I cried just reading the posts

All I can say is September 24th, 2005, DC, DEMAND IMPEACHMENT

[confuddled]

60. Once upon a time there was another renowned surgeon...

who came up with a diagnosis based on a video tape of woman with a hotly debated prognosis. All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Terry together again.

This story is beyond ghoulish! Rather than waiting for the MSM to pick it up, why don't we give the MSM a nudge in that direction?

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. I already emailed them. EVERYONE should! Olbermann will probably pick it

up. :(

[FourStarDemocrat]

68. CAN someone provide a video link to Oprah????

Please...I was working and missed the show. I want to view it and forward it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. If you are up late, it repeats at 11:00 CT. At least here in Illinois

it will be on at 11:00 tonight. I have no clue where to get a video clip of her show.

[jillan]

71. Have you ever watched someone die :(??

Unfortunately I have.
And the only blessing was in her last few moments, Hospice was there to help her get thru the pain. The people that loved her, held her hand, I stroked her face.

These people were left alone to die!!!

This is not America anymore:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[in_cog_ni_to]

81. It's so sad. This entire disaster was made worse by politics.

And Bush needs to pay. :grr:

[caligirl]

72. 4PM west coast time, I'll watch too. Criminal to do this. Bush should hang

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

78. Some 'culture of life'.

[Zenlitened]

84. So... nearly a week and half into this, there aren't enough medics...

... at the goddam airport? Where the runways are entirely intact, where there are absolutely NO constraints on moving people and material in and out?

I confess, I'm having some real tinfoil hat moments the past couple of days. It's getting harder and harder to explain the massive failure of the Katrina response in terms of simple incompetence.

I'm still trying to apply the usual rule of thumb, which says to discard much of what you read on the internet as untrue or exaggerated. But a story like this sends me racing back to grassy knoll-land.

:scared:

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. This isn't an internet story. It was on Oprah's show today and a doctor

told her this story.

[Nikki Stone 1]

91. I am watching Oprah now on the west coast and yes, the dr just said

that they were bringing mortally ill patients to the morgues to die.

It's in the first 15 minutes of the show, the medical segment.

[babsbunny]

92. Oprah's web address

http://www2.oprah.com/index.jhtml

[wryter2000]

96. Good for Oprah

If her viewers hear this from their trusted Oprah, the word will truly get out.

[walldude]

97. Alot of threads are getting locked

and being proven the next day...

[in_cog_ni_to]

100. Well, we had a freeper on the first thread

who said it wasn't true. He said the doctor was speaking in past tense, not present tense (like that mattered :eyes:) and this wasn't happening NOW. He was wrong. It is true and CURRENT.

My friend had called me about the show because she couldn't believe what she saw and heard. That's when I posted my first thread. I STILL haven't seen Oprah's show, but will watch it tonight.

[Wabbajack]

98. Why?

don't they take them to the hospital?

[in_cog_ni_to]

102. Good question, Wabbajack.

Why not a hospital in Baton Rouge? :cry: Instead they get to die in a cold, dark, smelly morgue. How sad is that? :cry:

[Desertrose]

109. what hospitals? what infrastructure?

they are still rescuing people...not letting the red cross in...is any other help allowed in yet?

who is running this show? sounds like no one knows what the hell to do...

am not making excuses for this...I just think this is completely out of control and so sad.

... there is no excuse to let people die this way...does no one have any compassion besides the poor overworked medical people??

why can't they let more people in to help.....this is just so wrong on so many levels.....

[arwalden]

101. "Please Don't Leave Me Here! I'm NOT DEAD!! I'm Still ALIVE!!"

"WAIT! Don't go! Help me!"

[in_cog_ni_to]

105. What a horrible thought.

:cry:

[Individualist]

106. Imagine

if one of those who had been taken to the morgue to die was your parent, your child or yourself! I'm also sickened and outraged!

[in_cog_ni_to]

107. That thought makes my head EXPLODE!

What's going on is disgusting and outrageous.

[joe_sixpack]

111. This was in the airport

When the N.O. airport was being used as a triage center/evacuation holding area. They set up part of the airport as a morgue, to seperate those who had died from the rest of the public. They were evacuating individuals, but I believe it was not at a very fast pace. They did not have many doctors or medical facilities on location, so those who were severely injured or sick who they knew did not have long, were put in there to die peacefully and out of the way of the multitudes who were still there. I don't think that is still taking place as it appeared Oprah's doctor's report covered several days. It also was apparent that even though he was a doctor, there was very little he himself could do for anyone without medical supplies.

[redacted]

112. How can anyone not trust what Dr. Mehmet Oz reports?

He's a medical school professor at Columbia University and arguably one of the world's finest heart surgeons.

I saw the Oprah show for myself off of Tivo a few moments ago. Anybody who suggests Dr Oz is not telling the truth needs a good psychiatrist. Here's a brief bio from the inside flap of his book at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0060765313/ref=sib_rdr_bf/102-9631125-2171301?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S0C3&j=0#reader-page

[Nikki Stone 1]

115. The guy is the goods. Definitely.

kick

[thethinker]

113. I saw this reported several days ago on local TV

I saw a local reporter report this days ago. He was at an airport. I am not sure which one, but I think it was after these people were taken from NO. It was an area surrounded by sheets where they were putting the dead and the ones that were dying. These were the people taken out of the hospitals in NO. Many were very ill and had not had good medical attention for days because of no electricity, air conditioning, clean water, etc. It was a pretty grim scene. The doctors were trying to help the ones they thought they could save. The others were put in this make shift morgue with the dead.

[hippywife]

114. I also heard something similar

on one of the NPR reports about people being brought into the Houston Astrodome, I beleive.

They interviewed a guy on site who said hey were tagging people with various types and colors of tags as they were triaged. If it was a tag with an ambulance and it had a slash thru it, they were deemed beyond the help of the resources at hand.

Can anyone who as been volunteering in Houston verify this?

[cornermouse]

116. Not unlike being buried alive.

Sickening.

[in_cog_ni_to]

117. It's not much different.

I'm getting ready to watch the show myself. I don't know if I can handle this. :cry: