Arnold is the next govenor of California....

[nomaco-10]

Maria handed him the already close victory today with her speech this afternoon. Maria Shriver, the good catholic and Kennedy democrat is no longer the long suffering wife married to a media whore gone bad on steroids and his agent's hype to escalate his B grade celebrity status to that of viable political contender for govenor of one of the most prestigous state office's in this country.

WTF happened in the last two weeks? How did a non debating, 2nd rate media whore that's never held an elected office get the govenorship of Ca. in the bag. Gray and Cruz didn't run a negative campaign, if it's a "send a message" to the bush career cabal, it was mightily misdirected and does nothing but advance their causes. I'm completely blindsighted by this current state of affairs in California, it makes me worry even more about election 2004.

If Ca. is setting a new precedent in this country, we are in big trouble in 2004. Please counter this post with some good news.

[Cronus Protagonist]

1. Good News!

You're talking about a future event in past tense like you know it's going to happen.

Stay calm. The election is not in the bag at all. Arnold's head is in a noose, more like.

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[Andy_Stephenson]

10. Arnold will be governor

think Diebold.

[jiacinto]

37. So do you disagree with the polls?

And tell me something then do you think that the people in CA want to keep Davis and/or elect Bustamente even though almost every poll disagrees with you?

[Kitsune]

42. The polls were taken before the sexual assault charges got widespread play

So I wouldn't say it's in the bag for Arnold, but it's gonna be a close one, that's for sure.

[Capn Sunshine]

43. I disagree with the polls

It's much closer than the national media portarys. Thousand plus turned out for a protest in front of Arnies campaign HQ on spur of the moment emailing.

Our internal polls shows huge undecided.

Don't believe the hype Carlos.

[Dems Will Win]

40. 1.4 million absentees were sent in before the Gropees came out

Arnie probably already won.

[Capn Sunshine]

41. Sorry, absentees were either dems or for Mc Clintock

It's the two extremes, and is split pretty evenly according to our internal polling. Sure, Arnie gets a few but overwhelmingly it's McClintock followed by Bustamante in the absents.

[Dems Will Win]

47. Whew! That means

Dems Will Win!

[mushroomhead]

2. Davis was arrogant

My first post, but not my first thoughts on politics.

Davis blew it, he was/is a terrible, terrible candidate . Democrats did not field a suitable replacement. Feinstein would have won but she was of more use on the national level.

[Terwilliger]

5. A terrible candidate who won the election last year

so, he wasn't THAT bad

[mushroomhead]

11. Davis gamed the system

He ran Rherdon(?) down so he could run against Simon, the arch-conservative. Even then he did not win a majority of votes cast.

Davis is going to lose, he knows it. Now it is only a matter of damaging Scharzenegger enough so that he can't govern.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

31. One of the lowest voter turnouts ever

It was a mid term, there was no hot button ballot initiative and Davis used it to his advantage and won..and that's a bad thing how?

[mushroomhead]

38. Never said that

Never said it was a bad thing. I pointed out reality to you. Are you saying it isn't true? If so, rebut. If not, well...

[Capn Sunshine]

45. That was no game my friend

That Rirodan run down was done with the full cooperation of the republican party neocons who thought they had to teach the liberal republicans a lesson.

Schwarzenegger is incompetent and damaged already; he doesn't need Gray Davis to damage him. No one is reading past the headlines; many of Arnold's groping has occurred in the past two years. One was just the past summer when T3 opened; he covertly grabbed his co-stars ass while they were posing on a balcony in full view of a reporter. He won't be able to govern because he hasn't changed. he's still a tool. A pawn.
Wait until he finds out the governor doesn't have the constitutional power to rescind the "car tax"
among other things.

[trotsky]

7. Welcome to DU, mushroomhead!

I agree, Davis was anything but charismatic. But really, that's what the recall election was all about, and Issa and the Repukes knew it. Quite an advantage to the challenging party, to just pick a time when everything bad is happening to then call a special election to put their handcrafted candidate in, one who would never withstand the rigors of a real campaign.

[mushroomhead]

12. Face it

A large percentage (30-40%) of Democrats want him out. That is why he will lose.

[mushroomhead]

14. Thanks for the welcome BTW n/t

[Democat]

21. Your first post is bashing Democrats?

Interesting.

[mushroomhead]

35. Really?

Davis is no Democrat, he's a clown who pissed off enough people in CA to get his ass recalled. Are you trying to tell me that Bustamonte was the best they could come up with out there?

As a veteran of the last successful recall movement of a sitting governer (Mecham-AZ 1987) you don't get those signatures for nothing. It is pure anger and disgust with the incumbent.

I value truth over partisanship. And you?

[Capn Sunshine]

46. If you valued truth

you would know what Davis has done for the state. He's no clown.Neither is Bustamante.

However it appears the circus may have just landed HERE.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. LOL a terrible terrible candidate who was elected and never lost a single

office he ran for and beat Dan Lundgren by a large margin 5 years ago. Gee ..ya think it has anything to do with the national economy being in the shitter? It's like this in every other state in the union.

BTW, Davis strategically CHOSE Bill Simon as he was easier to beat. As far as the campaign being close, the budget crisis was just becoming known but he also brought every statewide office to the Dem side. He is THE ONLY governor in California history to bring up the ENTIRE dem party with him.

Something a few dems here might wish to consider.

[mushroomhead]

36. And where are the CA Dems now?

Yeah, Davis did a good job. Riiight!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. wow your first post and you bash dems...WTF?

not so sure i wanna welcome you :(

[Booberdawg]

3. Could you puh-leeeze change the heading of your post

Geeze - so discouraging when there are still people here working their butts off on this recall.

[nomaco-10]

13. Sorry to offend...

I was trying to put into words the futility and sadness at the current state of events in Ca. I know you're working hard, but you've got to be feeling pretty bad about the sad state of affairs in ca. as all good and dedicated dems on this board must be feeling. My point was, if this bullshit can happen in Ca., it can happen anywhere in the US. California often sets the tone for liberal, democratic politics for the rest of the country, it's a barometer, if you will. I'm just wanting to share in the disbelief and sadness of this current state of affairs.

[West Coast Democrat]

4. Please visit the other 2 million topics on this subject

I'm sick of this

[robbedvoter]

6. Cut it off! Maria doesn't trump Hitler! Arnie is toast!

Just get out and vote and stop the psy-ops here!

[JustJoe]

8. The good news is

that most Democrats are not jelly leg quitters.

[active_in_ca]

9. remember the absentee votes

I just got a call from my folks, returning from 2 months vacation. They are very conservative, and I was really wondering how they voted...

They voted NO on the recall...

I've been talking to a lot of people the past few days that vote absentee - there are already a LOT of ballots that have been cast.

Lets just hope for the best, and count on people to do the right thing.

[Art_from_Ark]

19. I know two California absentee voters

One has voted "no" on the recall. I don't know how the other voted.

[whathappened]

15. did ya get a good

look at the 2 of them together , they both look like they got one foot in the grave and don't even no it , marie looks like a bag of bones and arenie has took to many drugs to come back from them , and walking around like they are one step above then any bdy esle is a ral good show to the voters , no , i think gray davis is a man who can get cali back in order after jr. is out and the gov. puts some money back into this country

[noiretextatique]

16. WTF: did they have the election early?!?

i couldn have sworn it was October 7th, but today is October 3rd. fuck, i guess i may as well not bother to vote, since ahhnold is already govenator :eyes:
thanks for supporting the republican vote suppression effort :toast:

[nomaco-10]

20. i rarely ever post a topic.....

and I should have stayed in that vein. You are so wrong if you think I relish posting anything negative about dems. I'm just voicing an opinion after seeing Maria's speech today and seeing the daily polls.
Ok, I will try to convince myself the polls are all wrong and Davis will win by a landslide. Everybody feel better?

[ablbodyed]

17. I wish I could...

But this country is in the sewer. It's because most people are brain-dead. They value the chaff over the wheat. I blame the entertainment conglomerates for most of it. The fabulous amounts of money that are made are made on ABSLOUTE CRAP. Why try to do anything with any value when you don't need to? Most 'music' is just semi-organized noise, empty both musically and spiritually. Most TV is pap, and the movies are, well, drivel. The target age is 13. I'm afraid that most males is this country stop maturing at 13. How else do you explain wrestling's popularity. Body-piercing, tattooing? Arnold wins because he is a MOVIE STAR. Americans can't tell reality from make-believe. And the education organizations have to bear more than a little responsibility: with all those BILLIONS spent on educating the masses, the masses know nothing. And then there's organized religion, NEVER a source of encouragement of individual thinking (of course, there are exceptions; but in the main, having FAITH, means putting your God-given intellect on hold) So, yes, Arnold will probably win, and that grinning fool will lead CA into even greater problems.

[Solomon]

48. Extremely well

said.

[Abe Linkman]

18. The public doesn't care about sexual harassment

Clinton proved that. In fact, I'd bet money some of those women in his entourage have giggled about how they "wouldn't be offended if Arnold tried to kiss THEM".

The problem is that no one seems to know how to articulate the IMPLICATIONS of having someone like A.S. as governor of a major state, in a way that is relevant to a majority of the voters.

Most people simply don't believe stories about sexual harassment. Men rationalize it differnly than women do; but both discount claims and assume the teller is lying.

The public also is too stupid to grasp, on their own, why the very idea of even lightly talking about Hitler's "good" points is as despicable as using the "N" word.

[spooky3]

22. I know it doesn't change the outcome, but

Arnie does NOT have the support of the majority of Californians. Let's not overgeneralize about what most people believe. It's the strange nature of the recall rules that MAY permit him to be elected. However, even if the worst does happen, and the recall goes down and he gets the office by gaining a plurality, unless he proves to be a much better governor than we expect, he will not win again.

[revcarol]

23. NOT.

It ain't over 'til it's over.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. I am going to repost what I posted on another thread here simply because

I am working at 7 pm on a Friday night after phoning union members all day, I am tired and I am sick of repeating myself. but first let me just say that I am as guikty as the next person of speaking on DU in platitudes. The whole conversation was framed by the energy crisis and I did NOT compare the years prior to Davis' term with his predecessors in a manner everyone could get soon enough.

One BIG reason Arnold will get elected is because he got a FREE PASS AND did NOT debate Davis so he was able to capitalize on that and NOT HAVE TO PROVE himself. What people do NOT realize is that he is GOING to HAVE to CUT THEIR FIRE DEPT, POLICE, or other services and RAISE TAXES..especially if he gives up the 4 billion on the car tax...here is my post from the other thread. Although I COPIED some of it from Davis's campaign site, I would like to underscore that I was PRESENT in SACRAMENTO in public hearings for MOST of the labor related laws:

editorial note: I was respinding to another Du'er who said the Dems need to give the GREENS something to vote for
Yeah Davis has done things that MIGHT have not been appropriate and i say MIGHT with a HUGE fucking disclaimer since one has yet to see what would happen with a Green candidate in a MAJOR position of power ( I might add that I witnessed first hand that the PEOPLE party in Mexico PAN got into power and ORGANIZED crimes was supplanted by DISORGANIZED crime)

We live in a state with some of the MOSt liberal labor protections in the nation. Even if Bush PASSED the overtime law it would NOT apply in California where we HAVE protected the 8 hour work day and we are NOT a right to work state.

People here who are injured on the job still get to CHOOSE their own physician after 30 days of control by the carrier. The benefit of that is that one does not have a doctor beholden to the carrier for business shortchanging them on their disability.

These are things to vote for...can a SINGLE GREEN tell me Camejo could get MORE cooperation given the HUGE influence agriculture and law enforecement have in this state even WITHOUT campaing contributions? What do they think Camejo will be able to do? Govern by FIAT?? It's NOT gonna happen

anyway here's just a few reasons that don't seem to be enough:
GREEN ENERGY POLICY

Today, non-hydro renewable energy provides a greater percentage of California’s power supply than it does in any other state in the nation.
Created an $850-million energy conservation program – the largest in state history.
Expressed his support for increasing statewide usage of renewable power from 12 to 17 percent by 2006. Provided more than $350 million in budget funding for the development of renewable power.
Directed the new California Power Authority to make a steady increase in the use of renewable power a priority.
Provided more than $47 million in incentives for the purchase of zero
SMART GROWTH

Closed a loophole allowing developers to subdivide large properties, circumventing environmental and zoning laws.
Signed legislation requiring major new housing developments to identify a source of water prior to construction.
Signed legislation to promote cleanup and redevelopment of urban brownfields.

CHILDREN'S ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH

Unveiled a new plan in 2002 to expand the existing Childhood Lead Poisoning Program.
The Governor provided support for clean-up of hazardous substances at school sites and to evaluate air quality in portable classrooms.
Broadened air quality standards to evaluate health risks to children (in addition to adults).
Signed the Healthy Schools Act to reduce pesticide use in schools.

ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY

Setting the national standard for environmental justice.


Governor Davis established some of the toughest environmental health laws in the nation to regulate toxic mold, Chromium 6, and arsenic.
Signed ground-breaking environmental justice legislation, setting the national standard for long-range planning and environmental guidelines.

COASTAL PROTECTION

An unprecedented commitment to California’s coast.
Governor Davis has provided $107 million to clean up coastal pollution and reduce the number of beach closure days.
Signed legislation strengthening beach and coastal protections.
Filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Interior to block additional offshore oil drilling.
Vetoed the “Rigs-to-Reefs” bill which would have allowed oil companies to leave decommissioned oil platforms in place.

WATER QUALITY

California is the first state in the nation to meet certain federal clean water standards, using an innovative approach addressing both inland and coastal pollution in one program.
Supported and actively campaigned for Proposition 13, which earmarks $1.9 billion for water supply reliability, safe drinking water, flood control, and water conservation projects.
Signed the toughest water quality enforcement law in the nation requiring mandatory penalties for pollution.
Negotiated with U.S. Department of the Interior to address California’s water supply, water quality, and ecosystem restoration needs through the CALFED Bay-Delta program – the nation’s most comprehensive water management system.
$21.3 million in the 2001-02 budget for water quality efforts, including reducing pollution from dairies and storm water.
Governor Davis ordered the phase-out of the hazardous fuel additive MTBE, and petitioned the U.S. EPA to grant a waiver allowing California to bypass requirements for oxygen in gas, on the grounds that it would be counter productive and add unnecessary cost.
Provided $13.5 million in the 2001-02 budget to preserve and restore wetlands around Lake Tahoe.

Overtime Expansion

The Industrial Welfare Commission, whose members are appointed by the governor to reflect the interests of the public, labor and business, extended overtime to hundreds of thousands of workers in California who never before received it. Overtime was extended to the construction, drilling, logging, and mining industries.

Raising the State’s Minimum Wage

California’s minimum wage earners received a pay increase. Governor Davis approved an increase in the state minimum wage from $5.75 to $6.25 effective Jan. 1, 2001. An additional $.50 increase was approved effective Jan. 1, 2002.

Caesar Chavez Holiday

Honoring the founder and long-time leader of the United Farmworkers of America, the governor signed a bill declaring March 31, as Cesar Chavez Day in California. The bill, establishing the first paid state holiday in the nation to recognize Chavez, also requires the development of a curriculum to teach children about non-violence and economic justice, and encourages students to participate in community service activities through AmeriCorps and the California Conservation Corps.

Farm Worker Housing

Mindful of those workers who drive the economic engine of California’s Central Valley, the governor signed legislation that provides $500,000 in tax credits to builders of farm worker housing, another bill that increases family services for farm workers and their families and improves the safety of farm labor vehicles.

Child Care

The governor approved measures that expand the resources necessary to retain qualified child care employees in state-subsidized centers, and that require the state to develop recommendations for playground safety requirements at licensed child care centers.

Labor Law Enforcement

The governor signed legislation strengthening labor law enforcement and increasing penalties for employers who do not pay wages to their workers, and approved a measure that strengthens employment protections for people with disabilities.

Binding Arbitration

Governor Davis approved a binding arbitration process for firefighters and law enforcement employees that preserves the rights of these employees while offering consistent protection of the public.

Workplace Safety

Governor Davis approved increases in funding for Cal/OSHA to improve workplace safety, targeting employers with the highest proportion of fatalities, injuries, illness and workers’ compensation losses.

Young worker safety

The governor approved a statewide young worker health and safety resource network, which will increase the ability of young workers and their communities to identify and address workplace hazards for protecting young workers from on-the-job injuries/illnesses.

I might add that since I was IN PUBLIC HEARINGS in Sacramento for MOST of the labor law issues, I challenge ONE GREEN to demonstrate that a single ONE of those ISSUES was championed by a REPUBLICAN>

No the greens will say..but a contributor of Davis' polluted and he didn't lock them up....I agree that was a mistake however A) the amoutn contributed was OVERBLOWN, b) the perpetrator got heavily fined and there was NO evidence that DAVIS had anything to do with interfering.

Arnold is taking AIM at CAL EPA..because of the TECH and DEFENSE industries, this state deals with approximately 170 toxic chemicals that other states do NOT address. I CHALLENGE A SINGLE GREEN TO PROVE THEY COULD HAVE DONE BETTER with a full HALF of the legislature being Republican for Davis first term.


and from another post

Oh and one more thing..the thing that cracks me up the most


are people who support Howard FUCKING DEAN and Dennis Kucinich saying Gray Davis is TOO conservative. Read the above and you will see why...Davis increased women's rights and INCREASED the minimum wage and INCREASED union participation in the state while taking on OIL, DEVELOPERS and every other big money interest. Ideologically Davis is CLEARLY to the left of both of them but just doesn't seem to resemble Che Guevara enough for some people's tastes...Nevermind that he is governor for a state with 35 fucking million people and half of them are bigots that think every problem we have is because of mexicans (while they eat Taco Bell)

[Democat]

29. Great post!

If Camejo's vote total is the difference between the recall succeeding or not, the Green party should officially be declared part of the Republican party, as if 2000 wasn't bad enough.

[nomaco-10]

30. NSMAM, You are one of three posters

of 32,000 that I make it a point to read. I know you have put up the good fight and I have nothing but admiration for you. I was sufficiently fed up enough to post tonight and specifically asked for good news and a valid rebuttal. I hope against hope I'm wrong about the recall and I'd be happy to eat every word I wrote, I'm on your side.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

32. I really don't know what can be done and am NOT clear

if the media is running the polls they are in order to justify a vote grab (please note that while Kevin Shelley, a Dem is secretary of state, his entire staff is left over from Bill Jones -republican, as Sec's of State usually don't AXE their staff and the notion that some vote stealing with machines may happen has me one edge especially with the polls running as they are. Anyway, the day the recount was certified, there were people in Shelley's office giving a thumbs up to observers in the pkg lot so that is a concern. The guy LITERALLY took office and BOOM..election)

At any rate, Democat has a thread about making MOVE ON Calls..if you can SWING some time and make some calls, every voter counts.

I'm not offended by what you wrote...I made a request the other night but where I am with it now is at the point of throwing in the towel.

People ARE NOT connecting this to the nation's economy and Arnold got a free pass. His commercials say 300,000 jobs left the state (he recorded them AFTER the debates) and that is a FUCKING lie...those jobs did NOT leave the state..they LEFT THE COUNTRY.

And the car tax....the BIGGEST MISTAKE DAVIS made was LOWERING the car tax in the first place. For the alst three years people's vehicle fees have gone DOWN (and Davis gave refunds to people overbllled as well)...but it was written into the law that if the state went back into the red the car tax DID have to go back up.

The only other thing I would point out is that ALL of this info has been in the LA Times but people don't read anymore.

Anyway...thanks for the compliments..I'm flattered but I will probably be around a lot less after this election..I'm spent..physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually and after having to defend DEMOCRATS on a LIBERAL web site...it really hasn't been the best use of my time.

[gristy]

26. You. Need. To. THINK. Before. You. Post.

How hard have you worked to defeat AS? Huh? Many people have put in huge amounts of time or money or both. All you do is sit in front of your computer, check some push polls, and make your friggin pronouncement.

[nomaco-10]

34. Well, since I live over 1800 miles away....

from Ca. I busy myself trying to get all my friends and even casual aquaintances familiar with the lies that bush* tells everyday. I expect crap from them, but not here where I was sure my good intentions and long time standing as a loyal dem would not be met with consternation. Peace

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. wait..Arnold warned before apology "where there's smoke there's fire"

wait and see what sleezey shit surfaces on this slimeball....i betcha hard core vidoes ...and then it will be too late...but not for another recall...unless arnold can sign executive order (or bush does) repealing all recall statutes

[mitchtv]

33. Cruz and davis didn't run ANY campaign from what i can see

Davis depended on 5 sec news items on the nightly news, from a hostile media. Cruz depended on Latinos only. but i live in a freeper county there are still lots of dems in riverside co.

[Kanola]

39. Simple.. He is a CELEBRITY

Until people get over gushing and wetting their pants over seeing normal human beings being bloated up to interplantational proportions AKA CELEBRITY, will this madness stop. Most of the idiots in California are taken over by the Robot's starpower. ( I am not, I think he is a terrible actor). When they see him they scream, wet their pants and thank their deity to shake his annointed hand. They are pathetic, but unfortunately they will vote for this moron on Tuesday.

I do not know how to stop the culture of idolizing celebrities. Most are undereducated and are below average in knowledge of most Americans, yet they annointed as some God.

[dfong63]

44. i predict: arnie will lose