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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:30 AM
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What's the latest on the mutiny in Iraq?
Anybody know? I heard Malloy said LA, MS and AL troops were refusing orders in Iraq. Any updates? :shrug:
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:33 AM
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1. Was just going to do a search on this.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:46 AM
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5. anything?
:kick:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:52 AM
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8. Here's something - take w/a salt mine.
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:TpFSNRFdlAQJ:www.goesping.org/+Louisiana+Guard+mutiny&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

US Troops mutiny in Iraq?
September 5th, 2005
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US Troops mutiny in Iraq

US Embassy in Baghdad inquires into reports that American troops in Iraq have mutinied against their officers.
WMR has learned that the US embassy in Baghdad is checking into reports that U.S. troops in Iraq, including National Guardsmen, Army and Marine Corps Reserves, and regular military troops from Louisiana and Mississippi, have mutinied against their officers and are demanding to be immediately sent back home to help their families.
It is not known whether the reported mutinies involve physical violence.
The reports of rebellions among U.S. troops are filtering out of the Green Zone and at Baghdad International Airport from Iraqis who are working alongside their American counterparts at both locations

Via MeFi. Caveat lector: ultimate source seems to be The Wayne Madsen Report, which ain’t exactly the New York Times.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:36 AM
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2. If true, WOW! Hasn't happened on a large scale since WWI
That doesn't count the endless numbers of friendly fire incidents in Nam, of course.

If the military is mutinying in any numbers, the JCS will have to (quietly) force Bush out. It's really their job. Happened with Nixon.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:40 AM
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3. I wonder how many of those deployed are from LA, MS and AL?
it's gotta be a big number. 10,000 maybe?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:46 AM
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4. Found this - references a LNG mutiny in 2003 - also has #s.
That sounds about right - 3700 LNG in Iraq. See below.

http://www.paysonroundup.com/yourroundup/msg/85037487

Answering the Louisiana National Guard misinformation
Posted by: fungus
Message posted: Fri Sep 2, 2005, 8:37 pm
Suggest removal

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The Louisiana Army National Guard consists of about 11,500 members in six troop units. The largest units are 256th Infantry Brigade consisting of two mechanized infantry, an armor, an artillery and an engineer battalion and the 225th Engineer Group.
Parenthetically, having nothing at all to do with this story other than my never ending campaign to impart military trivia upon unwitting readers, the 256th Infantry Brigade is somewhat infamous within the Army for the large scale mutiny it carried out while training to deploy to the Gulf War over having to work weekends.

The issue here are twofold: were the troops in Iraq indispensable or even necessary to respond to Katrina and was the equipment those troops took with them indispensable or necessary to respond to Katrina.

The troops.

As of August 31 there were 3,748 Louisiana Army National Guardsmen and Army Reservists and 193 Air Guardsmen and Reservists on active duty throughout the world. The lion’s share of them, about 3,500, are with the 256th Infantry Brigade in Iraq. This leaves some 8,000 Guardsmen and an unknown number of Army Reservists available for disaster relief.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:47 AM
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6. Here's an article about it .... link inside
Three days ago, one American soldier went into hysterics upon hearing of the death of the three members of his family in New Orleans.

Corporal Nick Lancer shouted:"This is the curse of Iraq. My family paid for my crimes in Iraq. Send us back to help our families. God damn you Bush and Rumsfeld".

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/62067
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:50 AM
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7. thanks...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:01 AM
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10. This one's source is URUKNET
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=15330

Picked up by a Russian site:http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/62067

IMHO, the following has that peculiar odour d'disinfo. Here's the whole thing:

This is a news item that is currently being 'independently' verified in Baghdad:

"Reports are emanating from Iraqis who are working with the Americans, (both at the Baghdad International airport and in the Green Zone), of a mutiny that had occurred among the American soldiers against their officers. (emphasis added)
Three days ago, one American soldier went into hysterics upon hearing of the death of the three members of his family in New Orleans.
Corporal Nick Lancer shouted:"This is the curse of Iraq. My family paid for my crimes in Iraq. Send us back to help our families. God damn you Bush and Rumsfeld".
Matters escalated when an officer tried, by force, to calm Lancer down. Lancer was then joined by other soldiers who started to beat the officer. The fighting escalated when other officers tried to intervene in the melee and the soldiers began attacking and hitting them with their riffle butts. This included the beating of Iraqi senior army officers who attempted to help the American officers.
The soldiers were shouting:"You scoundrels. We will throw you out to the Resistance to kill you. It is because of you that we are getting killed here".
At one point, one of the soldiers radioed other fellow soldiers, who were out on patrols, to stop their mission and to return quickly to join them."
Mutiny among occupation soldiers September 2, 2005 (in Arabic). The specific location of the disturbance was not specified. Awaiting further confirmation.

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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:36 AM
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13. "You scoundrels!" That's what I allus say when I'm mad....
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:53 AM
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9. a Wayne Madsen story:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:05 AM
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11. Looks like URUKNET beat Madsen to the "scoop" by 2 days.
I hope like hell that Madsen has some other source for this little ditty.

If it's true, the brass have done a good job of hiding it for five days.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:17 AM
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12. Background: Here's a short LAT article about unit mutinies in '04
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102204B.shtml

Is Suicide Part of the Job?
By Jonathan Turley
The Los Angeles Times

Thursday 21 October 2004

When troops' orders in a war are wrongheaded, mutiny can be the result.
The recent refusal of at least 18 soldiers in the 343rd Quartermaster Company to go on a perilous mission in Iraq has created a torrent of competing allegations of mutiny and military incompetence. With an election approaching, the Bush administration is now desperately seeking to defuse the controversy.

History has shown, however, that alleged mutinies do not go away easily and that they often reflect deeper problems in a war. For the military, even saying "mutiny" is like crying "Fire!" in a crowded theater. When it first appears, commanders are trained to isolate it and crush it before it spreads. In Roman times, reluctant or mutinous soldiers were punished through "decimation," a word often used incorrectly to refer to total destruction. Generals would "decimate" units by executing every 10th soldier as collective punishment. (In one case, Marcus Licinius Crassus put as many as 4,000 legionnaires to death.)

Yet history has often proved the mutineers to be correct in their judgment of the incompetence or futility of military orders. Indeed, as with the mutiny on the Bounty in 1789, the public often comes to not only agree with but to lionize mutineers who opposed tyrannical or self-destructive commands.

The 343rd, an Army Reserve unit, clearly was not facing tyrannical conditions, but the actions of some of its soldiers have raised widespread concerns about military incompetence.

After returning from a four- or five-day mission marred by inadequate or broken equipment, the soldiers were ordered to take a shipment of jet fuel to Taji, a perilous route even for armored and functioning equipment. According to family members and media accounts, many soldiers objected that their trucks lacked essential armor, vehicles were broken down, there was no plan for adequate combat support and, finally, the fuel shipment was contaminated (and thus unusable). They reportedly raised these concerns with their command but were ordered to carry out the mission anyway. It was then that the 18 soldiers refused to go on the convoy.

The incident in Iraq follows other cases of dissension, including the action taken against a National Guard battalion in South Carolina after 13 members went AWOL before shipping out to Iraq. There have been cases of soldiers not returning from leave. Clearly, these are the exceptions rather than the rule in our forces, where morale still seems high and the number of such incidents remains relatively low. (By comparison, in World War II, 2 million men out of a force of 16 million were court-martialed for various reasons.)

SNIP
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