Forget this week's news...TODAY'S Clark news is all that matters

[homelandpunk]

Forget Arnold, Rush, and yes, even Traitorgate. What Clark said and did today is what we have dreamed of.
"Nothing could be a more serious violation of public trust than to consciously make a war based on false claims," he told a conference of military reporters and editors. "Its handling of intelligence and its retaliation against its critics may have been criminal."
"We need to know if we face an intelligence gap ... because the system has been twisted to suit the prejudices of the policy makers," Clark said.
I must ask: Is it more important for your candidate to be in the white house than seeing the neocon coup held criminally accountable for their war crimes?
If your answer is yes, that means it is worth the trade off to see Bush and Cheney not held accountable for their monstrous crimes, as long as your candidate is president.
"Oh, it won't happen, anyway." WHAT? Did you not hear what Clark is is saying and calling for??? It won't happen IF we do not unite behind Clark to give him the momentum NOW. It has been handed to us. If we do not do everything in our power to see this to it's end, then we are providing them their cover. And they will retire with full priveleges and coverups, lecture circuits, et al. Unless Clark gets the the big push and is driven on by an outpouring of support at this juncture. Forget the rest of the week...what we have waited for just happened today. THIS is it. It is up to us to unite.
Dean won't call for this, nor Kerry. Clark DID. What more is needed?? Between the lines, Clark has in effect said, "There may be war criminals in the white house, and I will see to it they are held accountable and tried if I become president." This is IT. Hey, are your qualms with Clark more intense than your desire to see Bush 's crimes exposed and possibly punished?? Think about it. Unite for Clark, and we unite for doing all in our power to see to it that Bush is investigated as a war criminal. It is being handed to us...IF we give Clark the momentum needed to see this to its end.

[mike_c]

1. I'll be more inclined to get excited when he (or anyone)...

...stops saying it between the lines for the true believers to ferret out. It's unfortunate, but he didn't say "There may be war criminals in the white house, and I will see to it they are held accountable and tried if I become president." Saying that something is criminal is also a common figure of speech, and Clark hasn't shown himself to be particularly politically adroit, i.e. verbally diffuse.

[Eloriel]

5. Amen.

Let's hear specifics.

Eloriel

[LeahMira]

7. Second Amen!

... he didn't say "There may be war criminals in the white house, and I will see to it they are held accountable and tried if I become president."

Absolutely. It's mincing words to avoid offending anyone. Really, I'm sick and tired of people who are afraid of saying what they mean for whatever reason. If the General isn't ready to come out and speak his mind forcefully on this particular topic as yet he should keep quiet about it until he is ready.


I must ask: Is it more important for your candidate to be in the white house than seeing the neocon coup held criminally accountable for their war crimes?
If your answer is yes, that means it is worth the trade off to see Bush and Cheney not held accountable for their monstrous crimes, as long as your candidate is president.

Quite honestly, it is more important to me that these administration's fools are out of power. Sure, I'd love to see them held accountable, but mostly I want them gone.

It's tempting to want revenge for the mess in which the current administration has entangled all of us, but I think that once they are gone we all will have much more important things to attend to than revenge ... things like making the nation respected internationally and strong economically once more.

If you are worried that the current bunch might make a comeback one day in the future, then I can understand that you might want to draw and quarter them, but I think that if Democrats can win decisively in November, 2004, we will also have been successful in proving to the majority of the people of the U.S. that the machinations of this administration will take us where no one really wants to go. I'd rather focus on wiping up the floor with these Republicans ... no 51/49 kind of victory but a real landslide in the vicinity of 80/20 at least.

Let's turn this country around and make it the best that's in it to be. How 'bout that?

[Pastiche423]

8. Third Amen!

And I am agnostic.

[Code_Name_D]

9. Not revenge, justice.

It's tempting to want revenge for the mess in which the current administration has entangled all of us, but I think that once they are gone we all will have much more important things to attend to than revenge ... things like making the nation respected internationally and strong economically once more.

We let Bush I walk, and we have to deal with his sun.

We let Regan walk, and we have to deal with Bush.

We let Veitnam walk, and we have to deal with Ragan.

We let JFK's killers walk, and we have to deal with Veitnam.

We let McKarthy walk, and we have to watch JFK die.

We let Hitler's banker walk, and we have to deal with McKarthy.

Tell me. Who will we have to deal with, when we let W walk? What will the flaver of fashism be, when history repeats itself?

Clark may be declaring the very war he supported, to be illigel. It is most unfortunate that I do not beleive him.

[rucky]

12. Yep...I, for one, will NOT get over it!

That's what they always tell us to do, and we always listen. Imagine if Charles Manson told the judge to "get over it"?

btw: COULD you believe Clark, or have you ruled him out completely?

[blm]

2. Kerry already said that the White House has "traitors in the midst"

and he is the guy who uncovered BCCI and IranContra which forced Bush1 into giving blanket pardons.

Why do you think the BFEE will do anything to make sure Kerry is NOT the nominee? Why do you think Rand Beers and Joe Wilson went to KERRY'S camp? They know who has the goods on the BFEE. They know who is the ONLY one who make all the connections. Kerry always kept those files up.

He just needs the focus of the country on two men, Bush and Kerry, and the case will be made clear.

[JNelson6563]

6. your post inspires a pleasant vision

Should Kerry get the nom and we see to it he takes the WH back for us, I suspect he would take great pleasure in looking into this.

I mean, if you really think about it, he does have a lot of stuff on these guys. He is probably furious that they misrepresented their case for war and why he should back the resolution. I even suspect he voted that way against his own judgement....

Anyhow, considering how he was effectively quieted on the BCCI thing and now lied to on Iraq he's got to have a nice simmer going on about now, I know I sure would!

It is an interesting thought anyway.

Julie

[Octafish]

10. Kerry knows what he's talking about.

That's why he DOES something about the BFEE. What have any of the other candidates done about the BFEE? Besides talk, I mean.

[Code_Name_D]

11. Strange

When Kerry sayes this, it falls into into the bit bucket.
When Clark sayes this, its an apifinay.

Wana bet that Dean and Denuse K said the same thing, even before the war was started?

[wyldwolf]

3. Tide is changing

I recall during the spring and summer the daily Dean threads here in General Discussion...

[catforclark2004]

4. and he just got started.....getting losta Intl press too!

His press is reported internationally! That's the advantage of having a heavyweight speaking on issues like this. The General will make a pretty convicing case for the judges......I would think!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/04/wclark04.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/10/04/ixportaltop.html