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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:56 PM
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The gallup poll--the actual numbers
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:58 PM
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1. Of course Gallup has Bush as the one least to blame
Gallup is nothing but a right wing rag.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:59 PM
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2. yes i know but thats the poll that Drudge had that was postedd in lbn
except drudge didn't give a link and the only number he gave was 13%.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:02 PM
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3. Here is the best part of it, imho --% who say "terrible" job
George W. Bush

24

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Federal government agencies responsible for handling emergencies


22

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State and local officials in Louisiana


15


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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:09 PM
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7. yes, thats why i posted it---thats the realy story on this poll
not the 13% bullshit Drudge posted and the rw in using.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:22 PM
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13. you are right. let's see what his general approval will be tomorrow
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:03 PM
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4. As I mentioned in another thread about this,
at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4679355

they don't give the numbers/percentages of Democrats, Republicans, and independents in the group they polled. I haven't been able to find that information elsewhere online, either, though it's crucial to understanding Gallup's results. I've seen other Gallup polls skewed heavily in favor of Republicans.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:13 PM
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9. I don't think they made any calls. I think this is a "ringer"
It's too quick and to rediculous. 36% positive for Bush, disaster screwed up with people dying and everyone sees it: well sure, Bush gets off. Makes no sense whatsoever. It shows just how desperate this is.

I'm sure the Bush people have alread done the "impeachment poll" and they're scared to death.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:05 PM
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5. Gallup must be polling in a different country.
I know that the * administration is pulling out all the stops, after all, "this is the end of little Rico." But this is amazing. Why is it that in my area, everyone is furious at Bush, everyone I talk to? I don't believe Gallup for a moment because it's counter-intuitive in the extreme. Bush is at 36% with everybody but Gallup, this happens, Bush is on vacation, raising $$$'s, and he doesn't take a major hit.

Gallup is now officially screwed when the other polls come out. It's one thing to not do a poll on impeaching the president, it's another to do one on his pitiful performance and pad the numbers.

I wonder if they even talked to anybody at all?

Anybody here get a call or know anyone who got a call?

If they fudged or cooked this, they deserve to be exposed.

Remember, the head of Gallup has said very publicly that he believes they "do God's work." Well, God will be very pissed off when he sees this trash.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:08 PM
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6. i know all about Gallup and why i posted this is because
the RW is citing this poll, actually just the 13% and when you look at the numbers it's a different story, yes the 13% is there but the Feds and Bush are still in the toilet number wise.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:17 PM
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12. I appreciate the back up numbers. Gallup is doing a Mitofsky...
Falling on their sword for the boy king.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:11 PM
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8. I don't think this poll is bad at all
1) When there's a natural disaster, the country wants to back the president; so even if Bush had been mediocre in handling this, he probably would've gotten a small (albeit temporary) boost. He couldn't even pull that off. When only 35 percent thinks he's going a good job or better on this, that's pathetic.

2) The poll was done over two days, one of which was when Bush was in the region. That likely kept the numbers from being even worse.

3) Only 609 people were surveyed.

4) The full effect of this debacle won't be felt for some time.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:15 PM
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10. this poll was DONE BADLY - 609 national adults only withno party breakdown
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:17 PM
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11. I honestly think it was a systemic failure on several levels
The fact is both Congress and the White House have been underfunding levee construction/rebuilding projects for years now. Also, there was no plan to bus out the poor and others unable to leave under their own power. The interstates and highways were simply not adequate to get people out without clogging.
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:38 PM
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17. It was deliberate. It would be genocide except the target was an
economic class rather than a race. It's genocide of the poor people. They made no mistakes. They did it on purpose. They turned back doctors, nurses, firefighters, medical supplies, food and water. Tons of everything was turned back. They did it on purpose. Here are some links to show you why I think so...

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e...

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec... ;en=1d14ebfbd942a7d0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec... ;en=1d14ebfbd942a7d0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862& ;BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68561&rfi=6

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509... ;cset=true

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902dale...

FEMA turns away generators
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:33 PM
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14. Gallop has ZERO credibility
Anyone who takes them seriously is deluding themselves.
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:35 PM
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15. I drove through Gallup New Mex yesterday, and on the way past
we decided to poll everybody in the van. 5 out of 5 persons polled concluded that Shrub is impeachable for numerous crimes of treason. That's the REAL gallup poll.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:38 PM
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16. People aren't biting the "blame the locals" theme.
Lower percentage think they did a bad or terrible job.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:52 PM
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18. here's Froomkin on that
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 02:55 PM by Bumblebee

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/09/02/DI2005090201539.html?nav=nsc

Columbia, Md.: How angry and upset do you think members of the media and Democratic Party are at the latest Gallup poll shows only 13% of Americans blame President Bush for the relief efforts in New Orleans? It has to be irritating that, despite the single-minded focus of these Democrats and media to try and blame Bush, only 13% actually do.

Dan Froomkin: Here's the report from the Gallup Organization that you're referring to.

Asked how good a job Bush did responding to hurricane, 10 percent said great; 25 percent said good; 21 percent said neither good nor bad; 18 percent said bad and 24 percent said terrible. That's 35 percent positive; 42 percent negative.

The specific question you mention is this one: "Who do you think is MOST responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane -- or is no one really to blame?"

The response: Bush, 13 percent; Federal agencies, 18 percent; State/local officials, 25 percent; No one, 38 percent.

You make a good point, though -- judging from the White House coverage, you'd think that first number would be higher. But it may go up, especially as people understand more about the White House's role.

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