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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:12 PM
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Another Republican conversion story, if you can stand it! :)
Yet another has left the Bushite fold.

My brother was literally born Republican. From the time he was a little bitty kid, he was just the squarest, conservative, military minded rah rah rah type you could imagine. He used to beg our parents to let him stay up until midnight, when the local TV stations went off the air, so he could stand at attention and salute while The Star Spangled Banner was played along with all the montages of military jets and the like. He was a real law and order man, absolutely intolerant of any kind of explanation for any behavior he considered unpatriotic or illegal. Bad people were bad, full stop. No grey areas, no perspective other than the most narrow one imaginable.

This was bizarre in our liberal minded household, and no-one could ever figure out where the hell it came from. My mother used to think he must be the re-incarnation of Patton, because he certainly never learned jingoism and conservatism at our house.

Of course it got worse as he got older. He was heartbroken when a problem with his eyes prevented him from being able to join the military. By the time he graduated from high school, he was so set in his viewpoints and so vehement in defending them that I basically just avoided him. We clash in many ways, and always have, and as the years went by, became more and more estranged. In the last few years, we have hardly communicated at all, because I couldn't bear his smugness about Bushco and how America is number one, how we're really cleaning up the world of terrorists. He was gung ho about the war in Afghanistan, and thought the war in Iraq was the greatest idea since sliced bread. No opposing viewpoints would even be considered, as far as he was concerned.

But he loved the City of New Orleans, as did I. Probably the only thing we have in common. And he has friends there of longstanding.

Yesterday, while I was making endless phone calls to contact my just-located son, who was in New Orleans, my mother mentioned that my brother was heartbroken because he cannot find out the fate of a longtime friend who lives near New Orleans. I told her that I was working on the Katrina Help Project, so had access to many databases of missing and found persons, and that I would do what I could to find his friend, let her know, and she could relay the word to him. Things between my brother and myself have come to the point where Mom acts as go-between. She agreed, and that was that.

But then, when I hung up the phone I suddenly thought, "what the hell, he's in pain right now", and I called him directly.

He was flabbergasted, but as I told him what I intended to do to find his friend, he began to talk.

It all poured out. The pain of seeing the town we both love like a mother destroyed through indifference on the part of Shrubco. The terrible worry about his friend. And the terrible, painful realization that came to him that Bush is lying, has lied, has always lied.

He said that Bush is lying to try to cover up his lack of action in New Orleans. That he lied about Iraq, and the WMDs and about a lot of things. As he talked on and on, he started to cry, with the abandon of a little boy who has found that everything he believed in never existed at all.

I have never heard my brother speak so openly and honestly. This is a heart wound for him. He must have always clung to the idea of government, law and order, might is right to compensate for our very precarious and insecure childhood. Our parents lived in a constant state of warfare, and as kids, we never felt as if things were safe or settled, because of the continual disruptions and violent fights.

I developed resources within myself and became very strong and self-reliant as a result of not having a secure childhood - and I developed a very strong degree of cynicism about authority structures of all kinds.

But my brother reached outward for a sense of security instead, placing far too much confidence and importance on things outside himself, including friends (many of whom used him mercilessly) and authority structures - particularly, the US government.

For me, knowing that Bush lies is no shock. I cut my political teeth on Watergate, I've never believed that anyone is pure and holy just because they attain a position of authority and power. But for my brother - his entire belief system has been completely shattered. He is so ashamed and so shaken. He castigates himself for voting for Bush, and Reagan, and Bush, Sr.

I never thought I would hear him say anything negative about a conservative politician, but boy, did he ever cut loose during that phone call. The things he said about Bush and Co were shocking even to me, and I can make a sailor blush. I don't think he'll ever go back to it. The disillusionment and clarity of perception is far too intense.

I hope he can draw something positive, and more liberal out of the ashes.

And I'll drink a toast to him too. It's not easy to drop the blinders, particularly when you've worn them for 40 years - or to admit it to the older sister who is your exact opposite in so many ways.

Cheers, Jaybird. May your mind continue to lighten and expand.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:17 PM
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1. Wow...
...what a wonderful story. I am glad you and your brother got together - most of all. Family IS important. And I am glad that he got the cobwebs out of his head and when he saw the truth, he recognized it. So many of the indoctrinated fight it.

Congratulations!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:35 AM
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62. Dropping blinders is one thing but ADMITTING IT seems to be the hard part
I think most republicans have doubts about Bush but they bury them in blame and hate of others.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:19 PM
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2. kick
:kick:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:19 PM
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3. maybe he'll come to realize
that being patriotic doesn't mean supporting a corrupt government right or wrong. maybe he'll channel his patriotism into helping to set things right in this country.

i wish him luck in his recovery.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:20 PM
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4. I think for some people, it takes a personal tragedy to "see the light"
they can't put themselves in the shoes of strangers. Either way, I'm glad you got your brother back.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:45 AM
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44. Exactly
Or seeing something so damaging. But the diehards won't ever change unless it personally effects them.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:21 PM
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5. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing this. I think there must be many people who feel this way, who feel betrayed, ground shifting under their feet. It's sad that a tragedy of such proportion was needed, but I suppose it was needed in a way, because it made it impossible to keep denying certain things.
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:26 PM
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6. Thank you for sharing this
I have a sister like this, but we have managed to keep talking so long as it's not political. It took me a long time to see the love that she lives in her life, though her politics are so misguided.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:28 PM
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7. Thanks for your post. Both of my older siblings
have reached out to me in the past few days in an effort to understand their lifelong embrace of fiction and ugly bias. I am not close to either of them but felt sorry for them nevertheless.

They are bewildered/confused/uncertain for the first time in their life. Perhaps I can come in from the cold after a 40 year separation from my tribe. Too bad so many had to suffer so much in order to demonstrate to casual citizens what is so obviously wrong in this country.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:29 PM
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8. you are reconciled...
Now help him connect with missing people, and resist the temptation to rub it in! As he begins to rebuild his world, he will need his hand on your shoulder for support.
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OctOct1 Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:31 PM
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9. Wow!! Thanks. Wonderful
There are never to many of these stories.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:32 PM
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10. What a Touching Story
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:33 PM
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11. And the best part is ... you get to have a brother again.
I am happy for the both of you.

Your brother should become the new "Bill" for recovering pukes.

...and good for you for calling him. :toast:
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:36 PM
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12. Moved me to tears... I've known people like your brother...
and hope and pray they too have opened their eyes and seen that it's all lies and spin.

Congratulations on having a brother again. 8) Your parents must also be absolutely thrilled that he's come around and you two are talking and sharing. 8) I'm sure you and your parents will all be there to help him cope with his hard learned epiphany.
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GeorgeBushytail Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:38 PM
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13. Suggest that he become an activist. That takes heroism, too.
Now is the time for civil disobedience.

--

9/11 March to Bushville, DC

On 9/11 survivors of Katrina will commit an act of NONVIOLENT Civil Disobedience by setting up camp on the Washington, DC Mall.

Bushville, DC will remain as long as it takes to get answers and change.

Visit http://www.bushville.org and spread the word.

We will camp on Bush's doorstep and make him face us every day until he is driven from power.

Join the March to Bushville, DC. If you can't make it on 9/11 visit us on 9/24.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:39 PM
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14. i love reading these
and am looking forward to hearing my kid bro breaking free one day, hopefully soon, from the fog he's in. I saw him a week ago, and he was more sedate (read strangely mute) than ever, and as much as i wanted to believe it was from the current tragedy in NO, i know it was from the fact he was in town seeing a heart specialist due to some problems he's been having. He's been scheduled for tests, so no idea how serious it might be. It may all be connected (stress, disillusionment, cognitive diss. etc) and he's a bit of a hypochondriac.


But i'd love also to read some of the 'shocking' expletives those waking up from the repuglican nitemare use. I have my favorite terms, have read some of the bluest of the rants from the more vocal here, but something tells me the ones from the other side are going to really peel paint, and reduce the drywall to ash.

give a hint!

:evilgrin:

dp
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:14 AM
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52. Well, I don't want to have the Secret Service
turning up anywhere, but one thing that has stuck with me had to do with the possibilities of what would happen to the genitalia of various high ranking officials if my brother had a fondue fork in his hand.

And worse.

He's a creative cusser, I'll give you that!
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:37 AM
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58. ouch!
:scared:

:rofl:

dp
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:39 PM
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15. I could read these stories of enlightenment all day!
Thanks, expatriate!
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ailsa Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:17 PM
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41. Me too-- they provide a glimmer of light in an otherwise dark
tunnel...

Keep 'em coming!!
:patriot:
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:39 PM
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16. Wow, I'm amazed at these similar stories!
I wondered if other people had similar situations. My brother and I don't see eye to eye about many things, but yes, it was good to just talk to him without the invariable hood-spreading starting. I'm so glad to know that other people have had the same thing happen.

Pity that something so devastating had to happen, but for many people, it's only when the dancing elephants are can-canning in their living room that they notice that something is not quite right.

And no, as Annabanana posted, I will never, ever rub it in. I realized that this is a deeply, terribly betrayed and hurt person. Rubbing salt in the wounds would make me worse than Bushco. I'll be there for him to vent to and to answer questions. There is no point in saying "I told you so". He knows I told him so, and I will get a lot further with him by being supportive and helpful than by making him bitter by being mean for the sake of a brief spurt of self-satisfaction.

Cheers to all who have relatives and friends who are waking up!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:51 AM
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47. Very good idea
I wonder what my grandma (dad's mom) and my dad's sisters are thinking. They were Bush supporters this last time around and said they were "ashamed" of me for having a Kerry/Edwards sticker on my car. :eyes: My uncle didn't vote for either or (his words: "I'm not voting for either loser") so who knows how things have changed. My family doesn't really talk much about politics. We're all of the same religion (just different denominations) so that's cool there. I don't like rubbing in things either because it doesn't make you look like you care about that person. I'm glad things are working out with your brother. And good idea on just to talk to him and be there to listen and answer question's. He'll come to you I'm sure. :hug:
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:39 PM
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17. ok ,now this one brought me to tears
thanks for sharing your experience!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:42 PM
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18. Beautiful story...
... beautifully told.

The concept of redemption is both Biblical and liberal. I think most "liberals" understand that the human heart is never infallible, but most are looking for truth and justice.

I suspect there are many out there just like your brother, folks who have been willing to live in denial, willing to offer the benefit of the doubt just one more time - until this.

There is just no way to give the Bush** administration the benefit of the doubt on this. Just no way.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:52 PM
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19. Amazing..and your phone call was just to console him about his friend.
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 08:52 PM by BrklynLiberal
Unforeseen consequences of the positive kind.
Without realizing it, you did an extraordinarily wonderful thing by calling him. It allowed him the opportunity to speak about all these feelings and perhaps come to terms with things that he had been holding in for forty years. What an amazing experience.
You are a wonderful sister.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:52 PM
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20. Well I sure can relate in two ways
first to your brother's pain - becasue I had a similar "loss" which started with the Clinton impeachment and continues to this day. I was never religious - also came from a family with problems - and believed in MY government probably my substitute religion - I have a political science degree and government and politics HAVE ALWAYS been at the core of my being - so when "they" started with the impeachment - the stolen election in 2000 - all that has happened under the freak in chief's administration - the Dems voting for the IWR - I have been completely shaken to my foundation - so although I'm glad you're brother has come to his senses - I can imagine that his pain must be massive.

The second way I can relate is I have an older brother who sounds a great deal like your brother - we had a massive fight right after 9/11 because he made a comment that * had a great team in place and I went freaking balistic - so we don't talk too much about politics any more - I do know he is disappointed in * but I don't think he has come as far as your brother....as a matter of fact I avoided calling him this weekend because I can't bear to talk to him about all this - because if he starts blaming the locals and defending this freak I will lose my mind!

So hats off to your brother but I'm sure he is in a lot of pain.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:56 PM
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21. In the long run, he might do best as a "real* conservative
It sounds like his strongest value is stability -- and the country needs people like that, just as much as it needs idealists and progressives.

The trouble with the Neocons is that they're on the side of destabilization -- because they see profits in it, or because they grew up afraid of being seen as square and decided to invent a right-wing revolution, or because they have a little bit of fascist in their souls.

Real, old-fashioned rock-ribbed conservatism (something more like present-day paleo-conservatism, but without the lingering racism) might be the best place for your brother to end up. And it wouldn't be a bad place to start rebuilding the Republican Party (or whatever replaces it, if it proves unsalvageable) either.

Real conservatives and real liberals are able to talk to each other, because they recognize that they share the same goals and only differ on the details. It's only the fake conservatives we've been suffering with for 40 years that can't be talked to.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:05 PM
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22. Well said. nt
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harrison Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:08 PM
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23. Thanks for posting that. I needed to hear that. Tell you brother
that it is all about seeking the truth about things as best we can. It is always about that. Takes some courage to discard a belief system, a long held belief system.
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:10 PM
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24. Well,I will drink a toast to the both of you and
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 09:10 PM by ignatius 2
kudos for taking that step to call your brother, you are both better off for it.

Peace.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:21 PM
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25. Thanks for taking the time to write this down, and you are a great writer.
I have this problem with my step dad. He did finally vote for Kerry, but it almost killed him. He still takes all of my criticisms of the administration as insults to him. I keep telling him that it's not all republicans, just this administration that should be stopped. I told him he didn't have a conservative to vote for in 04.

He identifies so strongly against the libruls, but he knows this gop group is evil. I think many gop followers are in pain this year. W is such a moron, he's going to make sure he fails every last follower. That was always his family role, and he thinks we're all his family, now.

Thanks for giving us all hope.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:08 AM
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49. If you think about it
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 01:08 AM by FreedomAngel82
Bush isn't a real conservative. Nobody he works with is. I believe Maher pointed this out on his show last weekend. What has Bush done that alligns himself with conservatives? He comes out against gays and abortion? Whoopie. But does he act on it? No.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:13 PM
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66. Exactly. All hat, no cattle. It's just politics. He has no values, except
profits. That's where he starts and stops, and this storm is exposing that.

He's no conservative, and the conservatives have reminded him of that all along.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:33 PM
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26. Thanks so much for that story.
I'm really happy for your family. We can always stand to hear more conversion stories! :)
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:42 PM
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27. Do you think he will stay away from voting for all Repubs now?
I'm just wondering if people can turn away from * but still find other Repubs just fine to vote for. 2006 is still a year away, and maybe the disgust will wear off. Or do you think conversions like these will actually stick?

Ha--maybe some of them will decide that * was just a "bad apple".
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:09 AM
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50. That's what I wonder as well
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 01:11 AM by FreedomAngel82
I'm hearing all these stories but how long will it last? Will Bush do something they like and go back to him and the republicans? Or will they really vote in 2006 for democrats? I personally don't care if they never vote for a democrat again. 2006 is our last chance to get any type of justice. I think it's great people are finally waking up and thinking for themselves but this wanders on my mind as well.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:56 PM
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28. as painful as it is now, your brother's life will be so much better in the
future. He has lost his delusions and gained a sister.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:02 PM
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29. glad in the midst of what youre going through you have
this (re)connection with your brother
you reached out because of your compassion and look what youve received

thank you for sharing this and all our best to you and your entire family
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FATNED Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:04 PM
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30. Beautiful story, beautifully told...
I, for one, NEVER get tired of conversion stories.
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FATNED Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:10 PM
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31. Posted before I read all replies...
Just noted sendero's post in #18. Didn't mean to ape your sentiment verbatim. I guess we're all thrilled and moved when we read such stories. It must strike the same chord in many of us...just didn't expect it would be so precisely on the nose. Didn't mean to steal your verbiage directly sendero.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:22 PM
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32. I hope your brother is feeling some ease.
You are a loving brother indeed for witnessing for him.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:36 PM
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33. Out of every storm comes a ray of sunshine. Gold bless you & Jaybird
Love,
John
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:49 PM
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34. And when your faith is shattered as his was and mine
it's like dealing with betrayal or death.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:52 PM
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35. always room for one more.
Especially one of this magnitude. I'm sorry your brother is in pain right now, but he's on the right path. Stick by him.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:53 PM
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36. Yes, we can stand yet another one. Every one counts,
and every one is welcome and good to hear.

Redstone
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:56 PM
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37. A great story. I hope your reconciliation lasts. n/t
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:59 PM
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38. I love to hear these stories!
My sister is on the brink of converting as well. Her nephew works for Halliburton and was a Marine. He filled her head with pro-bush crap but now she's "seeing the light."
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:01 PM
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39. I could listen to these kinds of stories all day long!
They give me hope :)
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:05 PM
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40. Thank you for sharing that great story
:toast: and one for jay :toast:

:hi:

peace
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:34 AM
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42. Bravo!!!!
So gratifying to hear!!

:hi:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:43 AM
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43. Wow
I think what's really getting to people is how this situation is so close to home. With Iraq it's so far away and the media hides things here unless you're smart and go to other countries media (such as the BBC and the like). I find that really something. I hope he finds his friend and please let us know what happens. I think right now you should just be a listener to your brother. I know how it feels to find out that all you've ever known is a lie. I know I told this in another thread but a long time ago I used to want to be a republican. My parents were republican (now my dad, he's an old school type not a fundie or freeper but I'd say a moderate), but as I got older my views changed. I was a huge Gore fan and loved Kennedy (of course I wasn't around then heh heh) and then in 2004 thanks to Michael Moore and seeing his film got into researching more. It's very clear that they can't lie and spin no matter what happens because it was all played out for us on the media and the news. Maybe more reporters should go to Iraq too.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:46 AM
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45. Wonderful story. You were so great to call him right now. n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:48 AM
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46. I also wanted to add
it sounds to me like you were to call him. Maybe a higher power helped to put you two together again so you could help him through this rough time and you guys can come close. :hug:
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:04 AM
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48. I went to the laundromat today and the RW leaning woman that
works there, went completely ballistic on Bush. I have been putting seeds of thoughts (about the fake religiosity, she is very RW religious)for months but today there was no stopping her. She was literally screaming at the top of her lungs about this tragic situation. I was so happy, to see her eyes WIDE OPEN!

It really is tragic, that what happened the last week plus, is what it took. My only hope for the living, that it will not happen again.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:12 AM
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51. I really feel for the ones who truly believed
in something, and found the representation of that ideal or ideals in the the lies of the Bush Administration. I saw that conflict being fought in a lot of kids last fall, especially young men.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:47 AM
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53. I'll drink to that. I have brothers who have yet to come around.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:05 AM
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54. "White light" and hugs to you both. As you say, the hope would be that
he can draw something more positive, that his mind continues to lighten and expand. As I see it, now it CAN. The doors are open at last and the light is streaming in. Stepping outside and dealing productively to make the world a better place may be the making of him. That he cares so much for his friend and now feels so heartbroken show that he has deep emotions, unlike his recent cult idol in the White House.

And good for you, calling him when you knew he was in pain. Having someone really care for him that way must have come at a critical time.

Yes, white light and hugs all around and good wishes from here on.
:grouphug:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:10 AM
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55. Excellent story
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:21 AM
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56. This is so wonderful, even if it came about through bad circumstances
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 02:21 AM by SeattleGirl
My heart is breaking for your brother. I don't know if anyone else has felt this way (I suspect many have), but I know that I can feel really sheepish, if not downright ashamed, if I realize that I have been betrayed by something/someone I believe in.

I am most heartened by your reunion with your brother. I watched something similar happen between my mom and my brother (different circunstances), and am hoping for an eventual reconcilliation between my daughter and her dad. Anyway, I love my family to pieces, and I am glad when I witness the coming together of a fractured part of a family.

expat, my heart goes out to your brother. I hope his pain does not last too long, and that he finds peace. And I hope you can help find his friend, alive and well.

Peace to you, your brother, and his friend.

O8)
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:23 AM
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57. Wow. I hope he can find the support he needs.
No offense to you (please)but it sounds like you are located a distance apart and I am sure you cannot be there for him all the time. Is there some way of making sure he has a support system? I say this because someone who is that dissillusioned after 40 years.....that could be a big big thing to overcome. I would be a little worried for his mental state, know what I mean?
Great story and thanks so much for sharing!
I bet he IS the reincarnation of SOMEONE military. That would be a facinating exploration in and of itself.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:13 AM
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59. Beautiful !!
Thank you so much for describing this to us.

I'm pulling for your brother.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:17 AM
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60. Great news
This is how it's done. One by one.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:30 AM
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61. I love conversions!
My dad is still a registered Repubican, but he has been voting Democratic ever since the Lewinski/Impeachment debacle. He wrote a letter to the editor in 1998 explaining how he was voting a straight Democratic ticket to protest what the Republicans were doing! My mom, a fairly conservative Republican, voted a straight Democratic ticket in 2004!
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quisp Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:00 PM
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63. the Lord moves in mysterious ways
heheh
;)
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:03 PM
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64. Fantastic!
I send him my regards.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:25 PM
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65. I think these stories. Thanks!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:19 PM
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67. It takes a mighty big person to admit he's been wrong and is sorry
Your brother is quite a guy. He's also got a pretty great big sis for allowing him to pour out his heart that way considering their history together. :yourock:

I hope your brother gets good news about his friend.
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