Media blast: PLEASE help prevent shooting of animals (72-hr. warning)!

[nicknameless]

http://www.pasadosafehaven.org/NEWS/NEWS.htm

UPDATE: 4:03pm PST Authorities have informed our rescue team that they have three days to rescue all dogs before they start shooting them. They believe that dogs are eating dead bodies to stay alive and need to eliminate them. We are outraged. Animal rescue groups were not allowed into the water until last Tuesday. To give us just another 72 hours to get a job, of biblical proportions done, is ludicrous. We are doing our best to beg for more time. We would ask you to call or write to someone but frankly, the lines of communications are so poor, we have no clue where you can begin. Because our team is on the ground, they have direct contact with law enforcement. If we have to, we'll work 'under the radar' to get the job done.

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Suggested Media Blitz, from nola.com message board
3770. MEDIA BLITZ: POLICE SHOOTING DOGS
by ChowChowChow, 9/9/05 1:08 ET
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Subject: Deplorable Police Abuse: Hurricane Katrina
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Could someone please help me in sending this message to the Mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin

Many people locally and nationally have been trying to reach him by phone and by email to report issues needing his attention, and we are being blocked from getting through.

Thank you very much,
xxxxxxx

Mr. Mayor,

We have just witnessed your officers this evening of 9/8, on the Bill O'Reilly show, tackle an old lady to the ground in order to evacuate her as she was resisting to go. We have had many reports as well that officers are shooting dogs and refusing to allow victims to evacuate with their animals.

We implore you to take action against these incidents of abuse and we will be reporting this consistently to all of the news and governmental agencies until we hear that it has been addressed by the city.

Please take note of the professional, compassionate and dignified acts of kindness that the Navy and Coast Guard is showing to the residents of your city and their animal family members and ensure that the officers under your control act in the same manner.

Remember, the world is watching and has captured images of your officers actions. These images can do great harm to the future of New Orleans and it's elected officials.
(Poster's personal information omitted)

[aquart]

1. Republicans kill dogs.

[nicknameless]

2. Is there anything that they don't kill?

[jmowreader]

49. Fetuses

Except for fetuses in Iraqi women or Louisiana women, that is.

Once your feet hit air, though, you're on your own.

[nicknameless]

107. That really is funny, and I really needed to have something to smile about

Thanks :D

[bearfan454]

77. They kill people too.

Millions of them worldwide with their policies.

[Robert Oak]

3. kick and you might repost on dailykos, also email done n/t

[nicknameless]

7. Thanks!

[nicknameless]

4. Please anyone: email address or fax number for Mayor Nagin?

[lindisfarne]

11. press office number

Blasting all the major media will probably be most effective, but here are some things I found through google.com

City Hall Operator: [phone]

Number for the mayor's office:
City Of New Orleans
Mayors Office of Communications
1300 Perdido Street, Suite 2E04
New Orleans, Louisiana 70112
504-658-4940

Office of Communications (for the city)
City Hall, 1300 Perdido St.
New Orleans, LA 70112
Office: 504-565-6580
Fax: [phone]

[nicknameless]

18. Thanks for that!

[lindisfarne]

5. letter

I would include the following paragraphs:

Dear Mayor Nagin:

The website http://www.pasadosafehaven.org/NEWS/NEWS.htm is reporting the following: "UPDATE: 4:03pm PST Authorities have informed our rescue team that they have three days to rescue all dogs before they start shooting them. They believe that dogs are eating dead bodies to stay alive and need to eliminate them. We are outraged. Animal rescue groups were not allowed into the water until last Tuesday. To give us just another 72 hours to get a job, of biblical proportions done, is ludicrous. We are doing our best to beg for more time. We would ask you to call or write to someone but frankly, the lines of communications are so poor, we have no clue where you can begin. Because our team is on the ground, they have direct contact with law enforcement. If we have to, we'll work 'under the radar' to get the job done."


Mr. Nagin, is it possible that this is true? If yes, it is horrible and cannot be allowed to occur. These are pets, beloved to people who have lost almost everything. Reuniting these pets with their owners will bring extreme joy to these people who are in despair over their losses.

-----------------

Regarding this sentence: "We have had many reports as well that officers are shooting dogs and refusing to allow victims to evacuate with their animals."

Have police officers and National Guard been shooting animals? I thought progress had been made today with the Coast Guard and National Guard allowing victims to evacuate with animals and helping locate pets.

[nicknameless]

10. Thanks. Please sent that!

And welcome to DU :hi:

[lindisfarne]

12. lurker

I've been lurking a long time - a year or so :) Took me forever to finally register.

[nicknameless]

15. Very glad you're here!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. welcome to DU...glad you are posting...i lurked for a while too....

[nicknameless]

149. Your speedboat baby makes me especially happy to see

our signatures back! :D

[rumpel]

6. I tried the web site last night and it did not work. So I wrote to CNN.

But I guess the MSM is overwhelmed with info and e-mails, it may take days before it gets attention.
We have to get someone prominent that can make a stink. How about ...

I got it! Swamp the WH with e-mails and faxes : Question: Would you leave Barney, and if not would you idly stand by when police is about to shoot him? cc media all main stations

[nicknameless]

13. If it's true that Barney is just a prop, he might be expendable to *.

("Heh (smirk), there's lots o' dogs in the world...Hey Pickles, get me another one o' them cold Lonestars.")

Anyone you can get this message to, please do it.
You may be correct about MSM being overwhelmed, but everything is worth a try at this point.

[Kindigger]

35. Just maybe

Barney is Barney four...or Barney five...or...

Who knows how fast * goes through Barneys? :think:

[nicknameless]

39. Ooooh, that's true!

Maybe more Barneys already than there ever were Lassies! :scared:



(I've been thinking about you, BTW! :) )

[nicknameless]

24. Sorry if I sound too cynical.

I have little or no belief that * would ever do what is right or compassionate. After what he did to those thousands of Americans...

[nicknameless]

8. I just created a new account at dailykos, but got a message that I'll

need to wait 24 hours to post anything there.

Are there other kos members who can post this information?

[roguevalley]

9. I made a mass mailing to all the links. thank you. God help us all.

[nicknameless]

23. Hug your babies

I miss seeing their cute pictures. :hug:

[lindisfarne]

14. rawstory.com contacted

I already contacted rawstory.com but cannot hurt to have others contact them.

It would have been better if the website http://www.pasadosafehaven.org/NEWS/NEWS.htm had mentioned WHICH authorities threatened to do this; right now, we don't know if it's some person way down the chain who had no right to say this or what.

In any case, bringing this to the attention of the media may help to prevent random individuals from doing this of their own accord: if Mayor Nagin says "no animals are to be shot", then they'll be less likely to act on their own.

The sad and very realistic thing is that some animals are very close to dying because of lack of food/water.

[nicknameless]

17. Although according to that web page, they didn't know who to contact,

the word on nola.com is that the police were the ones doing the shootings. So the Mayor's office, along with the media, would be a good place to start.

[mirandapriestly]

16. I'm So Upset, this is just devastating news

what kind of people are we?

[CrispyQ]

37. We are a people who are slowly losing their humanity,

and don't see what kind of monsters we're becoming.

I will check back on this thread throughout the day for updates.


This is tragic. :cry: :cry: :cry:

[lindisfarne]

19. Why can't police and National Guard help rescue animals??

On the news, you just see National Guard people standing on the street corners. They’re probably keeping law and order, which is good, but they could be enlisted to help buy the animal rescuers time. I’m sure some are providing food/water to pets they see, but if their commanders gave official permission, this would help. These people sleep somewhere every night; if the animal rescuers could provide pet food for the National Guard to take out with them, it would make a dramatic difference. Also, if each guardsman brought back just one pet with them at night, how many thousands of pets would be saved? The rescue agencies could meet them and take the pets off their hands.

[lindisfarne]

20. huffingtonpost.com notified n/t

[nicknameless]

98. They carried the story!

Thanks lindisfarne!!!

[nicknameless]

21. The National Guard have be wonderful.

They have been working with BestFriends.com doing coordinated rescue efforts, and even taking personal risks to rescue animals on their own.

Bless the National Guard angels! O8)

(The police appear to be the problem.)

[lindisfarne]

25. That's wonderful news. I was hoping that was the case; I was afraid

commanders might have prohibited it or something.

[nicknameless]

26. A kick to stop the killing

:kick:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

121. Yesterday, on CNN, it was reported that Gen Honore was going to rescue

the pets. He was sending out troops to do it, and bring them to collection points.

[nicknameless]

127. That's wonderful.

I hope the troops get the ones that are still stranded in the standing water areas. That seems to be where the largest number of them still are (St. Bernard Parish and Jefferson especially)

He'll be a real hero if he can get those babies rescued.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

134. I've been looking for updates on this and will post if I find any! nt

[nicknameless]

22. Can anyone get this information onto dailykos?

I won't be able to for 24 hours, since I just registered.

[Piperay]

27. Kick for the animals

:kick:

[nicknameless]

28. Another plea for help in stopping the scheduled shootings of strays!

PLEASE blast the media, and contact Nagin's office if possible.

[nicknameless]

29. Video of dog shootings

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/photography/2005/katrina_video/straydogs.html

:cry:

[Name removed]

30. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nicknameless]

31. These killings are happening NOW!!! Please email Nagin from this link:

http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=1&load=~/SystemModules/ContactUs.ascx&contacttype=message&contactid=207

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. thanks--my E-mail to Mayor Nagin

Dear Mayor Nagin:

It has been reported that authorities have begun or will soon begin shooting most or all stray dogs they find. There are several animal welfare agencies now at work and anxious to save these animals. Most would try to return these animals to their rightful owners or find new homes for them. These groups have been prevented until recently from doing their work.

I would urge you sir to call for a stop to such unnecessary killing and for the authorities to work with the several animal welfare organizations to relocate these animals to safety,

Sincerely,

[Rhiannon12866]

53. Thanks. I started with your e-mail, to write my own, since I'm half-asleep

My dog, Sara, was found as a stray in Ohio, rescued but scheduled to be gassed, before she was brought, via the underground railroad to NY, and to me, so this is really close to my heart. So thank you.

Rhiannon :hug:

[nicknameless]

54. I've got to wonder what kind of political future he's going to have.

He's screwed with the repugs, but if he continues this pet slaughter, the Democrats will hate him too.

[Rhiannon12866]

57. Thanks so much, Douglas.

As I said, I was half-asleep, so I stole your letter, to help me along. I did personalize it, as best I could. Here's mine, thanks to you, which has yet to go through, but I'll try again. Thanks so much and I hope you don't mind... At least I have it when I try yet again.

Dear Mayor Nagin:

It has been reported that authorities have begun or will soon begin shooting most or all stray dogs they find. There are several animal welfare agencies now at work and anxious to save these animals. And we have recently learned that government agencies have received the authority to rescue lost pets. Most would try to return these animals to their rightful owners or find new homes for them. These groups have been prevented until recently from doing their work.

I would urge you sir, as someone who has compassion for animals, to call for a stop to such unnecessary killing and for the authorities to work with the several animal welfare organizations to relocate these animals to safety. These animals are either lost or hungry and just need a second chance, as did both of my dogs, who were abandoned, but were successfully rescued and I adopted, three years ago. They are the best of companions, but just needed someone who cared. Thank you.

Sincerely,

[Rhiannon12866]

55. I've tried countless times... but it wouldn't go through n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

58. same problem myself--I've saved my later and the web address

will send it later. I suspect that given the situation, the cities' web page may not be working right.

[Rhiannon12866]

83. I figured as much. Just tried a few more times, but with no luck.

I'll try again, later. Thanks so much.:-)

[leftchick]

111. is he even getting email?

:(

[nicknameless]

123. I haven't been able to email him either.

Post #11 has some phone contact numbers.
The Governor's office is taking messages pretty much around the clock. And the people there seem very nice.

[Rhiannon12866]

146. Thank you so much for the information.

They must be very tired. I'll try this just one more time...:shrug:

[livvy]

32. Kick and recommend. n/t

[nicknameless]

33. Thank you, livvy!

[nicknameless]

34. These were friendly dogs, that were being caulked (?) over and then shot!!

(Reported on nola.com)

3842. by saunie, 9/9/05 6:11 ET
email governor and mayor quickly to get to get Sgt Mike Minton who is shooting dogs...calkling them over and then shooting them PERVERT!!! I really want to starve people likje thaT THEN SHOOT EM. they have ceased being human

I have dial-up, so I haven't been able to view the video clip (or figure out which word "calkling" is a typo of)

Call: LA Police 1-800-469-4820
Call St. Bernard Police 504-278-4267
Call LA Governor 1-866-310-7617

[ernstbass]

64. Finally got through to the govenor's office

Said they were getting many calls on this issue. Keep calling folks!!

[nicknameless]

95. THANK YOU !!!

:)

[nicknameless]

36. Direct link to nola.com forum re: animal shootings

http://www.nola.com/forums/animals/

[justiceischeap]

38. Daily Kos diary entry

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/9/74355/32724

Need people to vote on it so it becomes a recommended diary.

[Douglas Carpenter]

41. done

[nicknameless]

42. I just joined. How do I recommend a diary?

[Douglas Carpenter]

43. just scroll down -- on the right-hand side there will be a place to click

recommend

[nicknameless]

45. Thanks, Douglas

I scanned the page 4 times, but couldn't see it, so I think there might be a restriction on newbies being able to recommend diaries.

I'll keep checking back and recommend it when I can.

[nicknameless]

44. Please post this link to the actual pet murder video clip

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/photography/2005/katrina_video/straydogs.html

Thank you!

[Silverhair]

46. Accidental duplicate.

[nicknameless]

47. Not according to those who watched the video. Friendly dogs being betrayed

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/photography/2005/katrina_video/straydogs.html

[Douglas Carpenter]

50. there are many, many, many organization working on animal rescue for NOLA

Until recently, they have been largely prevented from doing their work. When dogs (like people) go into survival mode they start doing a lot of things they would not otherwise do. If rescued the vast majority return to their tame state--whole sale killing is completely unnecessary.

[nicknameless]

52. As far as I can tell the cops are the real problem

The dog-shooter is Sgt Mike Minton, according to nola.com

[nicknameless]

108. Thank you for adding the video!

I still can't figure out dailykos. I can't see how to recommend your diary or even how to add a comment. (???)

[Silverhair]

48. Some of these dogs are now eating human corpses.

By now the animals have gone into survival mode. The larger, agressive breeds will have formed feral packs. And a DUer has posted pictures of dogs eating people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Sadly, such dogs are now beyond rescue and represent an active danger. They are no longer gentle pooches. There isn't much alternative but to destroy the bodies of the dogs whose minds have already been destroyed.

[nicknameless]

51. Not according to those who watched the video. Friendly dogs being betrayed

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/photography/2005/katrina_video/straydogs.html

[stubertmcfly]

59. oh bullshit.

so what if they are eating corpses? these animals are not "feral" they are family members and i am appalled that they are being shot. so the police are in there to protect the dead? perhaps they should have thought about this while these people were still living.

[Coventina]

62. Gee, what a surprise. A known pet-hater cheers the shooting of dogs.

So what if dogs are eating dead people?

If they are rescued, they will no longer eat dead people.
Dogs are natural carrion eaters, that's what these corpses are. It actually PREVENTS the spread of disease. The human agencies have failed. They have left dead bodies in the streets and have refused to pick up the dogs. So the dogs are fulfilling their jobs.

If that is distasteful to you, then I suggest you get off the couch and insist that these people's bodies be accorded some respect and collected. And also, if the dogs had been rescued in a timely manner, if people HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE THEIR PETS WITH THEM this would not have happened. Stop blaming dogs for being dogs, and start insisting that humans START behaving human!

[ernstbass]

63. Minds destroyed?

Give me a damn break. I've taken in many starving rescue dogs over the yrs who most certainly ate dead animals to stay alive - where do you get this "minds destroyed" nonsense? They are not beyond rescue!!

[Ladyinblack]

68. People have been known to eat people

Humans have been known to eat humans when life depended on it. As I recall many were not dead when this happened but were killed in order to provide food.

So the animals are hungry and the people are dead. There is some question if this is really happening AND IF IT IS ??
I am not talking about cannibalistic culture.

THEY PERHAPS ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY GETTING RIDE OF A PROBLEM QUICKLY and may see this tale as a quick out.

[Name removed]

70. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DixieDem]

71. delete - double post

[Douglas Carpenter]

78. Oh, for crying out loud!!

where on earth did you come up with that???

[MisterP]

85. eating putrid corpses when there's nothing else doesn't destroy minds

[Zynx]

99. Have two dogs. Don't want a dog around that's eaten people.

[Coventina]

128. Then I guess you don't really love them.

:shrug:

[Rhiannon12866]

147. Both my dogs are rescue. I have no idea what terrible experiences they've

had, especially my Sara, who was found as a stray, scheduled to be gassed, and must have been through hell. But they're the best dogs in the world and I love them more than anything. Animals are pretty resilient and mine have managed to reinvent themselves, probably several times... Just saying I agree with you.

[Coventina]

150. My dog's name is Sarah, and she's a rescue as well!

Well, actually, my husband found her on the street as a stray.

We know nothing of her history prior to that, except that we suspect she'd been abused.

All we know, is that we've found an angel in a fur coat that has enriched our lives beyond anything we could have imagined.

It breaks my heart that there are thousands like her on the streets of New Orleans (and other communities hit by Katrina), abandoned, hungry, thirsty, scared, and now....targets of those who betrayed them in the first place.

:cry:

[Rhiannon12866]

156. Seems like they have a lot in common... Here's my girl...

Sara:


I know absolutely nothing about my Sara, either. She had a close call, but was such a nice dog that she was included in an "underground railroad" run from Ohio to rescue organizations in NY and Vt. We have tougher animal protection laws here, but you still hear of abuse.;(

The paperwork, such as it was, said "Cindy," but that was obviously not her name. And I can see how she ended up getting lost. She's tried to take off on me a couple of times and can move pretty fast! So I had to find out her real name! (She was eight; I adopt senior animals.) I tried a lot of names, but then thought of another Stevie Nicks song... And when I called "Sara!" she ran across the room, jumped up into my lap and licked my face! That's when I knew that I had found it...:D

And I know what you mean about the dogs in NOLA! That's the one thing that bothers me the most. I e-mailed Michael Brown and told him that I would never leave my guys, even if it meant that I was subject to arrest or in danger of drowning... and that everyone I know would feel the same way!:grr:

But it does sound that your Sarah was so very lucky to have found you...:hug:

[Coventina]

158. What a cutie! And she's very similar to our Sarah!

Same sort of face and body and coat markings. The main difference is that our Sarah is not quite as "fluffy" her hair lays down more, and her coat is darker and more reddish. But she has the white chest and tummy your Sara looks like she has.

Your Sara is very lucky too! :hug:

[Rhiannon12866]

159. I was originally told that this was a Cairn Terrier, male, unneutered,

Which tells you how much these people knew about her. I have had a Cairn Terrier, my beloved Rags, who lived to 18 1/2, so I knew that she wasn't even close, breed-wise. But though I know nothing about Sara, she couldn't have worked out better. My breed is cocker spaniels, my little guy was supposed to be one, and so was she. But these other dogs were adopted, so I took both of them.:shrug:

I lost my two beloved cockers within six months of each other. Barney was 18, at least, and I adopted him at 10 or 11, but he was the dog of my heart, another sad story, and I still miss him. But when I suddenly lost Sheena, cancer which we treated aggressively, but with complications from Cushing's, I didn't know what I'd do with my little guy. I knew he needed a second dog, since he'd been raised and lived with his sister, his leader, but they were separated when their owner died. *sigh* He immediately bonded to Sheena, the sister he'd lost. I told you I found out as much as I could... But he has taken to Sara, finally, looked to her for leadership, though it will never be the same. Yikes! I can hear him yelping for me, now! And her, too! Thanks so much for your reply.:-)

Rhi:hug:

My little guy, Meneken:


Meneken and his "sister," Sheena:


And my beloved Barney, who I miss everyday, and got me into adopting senior dogs. He was the best.

[Coventina]

160. What a lovely family!

Our Sarah, unfortunately, has to be an "only dog."
Maybe having to do with her unknown past, but she is just too insecure to handle "siblings."
Whenever she even thinks another dog is infringing on her territory she turns into Cujo.
She's fine with them on "neutral" ground though.
And her aggression doesn't apply to humans either.
I can reach right into her mouth or bowl and take food out with no problem. I test her regularly on this, to make sure she doesn't get food aggressive with people. It's never been a problem. But other dogs? Forget it!

:shrug:

[DixieDem]

86. Do you state this as fact or is it wild speculation?

>Sadly, such dogs are now beyond rescue and represent an active danger. They are no longer >gentle pooches. There isn't much alternative but to destroy the bodies of the dogs whose >minds have already been destroyed.

Please present SOMETHING to back up this bizarre claim!

[peacebaby3]

56. Need to contact Officer Eddie Compass. He is over the NOLA police.

He is a huge fan and friend of Dr. John (a radio DJ) in NOLA. I wonder if someone here knows how to get in touch with Dr. John who might speak up for the pets?

Or if anyone knows how to speak directly to Officer Eddie Compass?

I've seen the picture that ppl. say shows dogs eating a dead body, but it's impossible to know if that is true or not. These dogs could be just smelling/investigating. I've seen my dogs do that and not eat something. Although it will eventually happen if they get hungry enough. Survival instincts will kick in just like when several human groups ate other dead humans for survival. We rescued them instead of shooting them.

[Genki]

60. kick

[nicknameless]

104. Contact information?

[iconoclastic cat]

61. kick

[soup]

65. Cruelty to Animals warning before the storm hit:

Animals Evacuate Ahead Of Katrina

POSTED: 3:42 pm CDT August 28, 2005
UPDATED: 4:07 pm CDT August 28, 2005

Thousands of animals are being evacuated from New Orleans as Hurricane Katrina heads toward the Louisiana coastline.

Shelter workers recommend anyone leaving town should take their pets with them and make sure animals have ID tags, WDSU NewsChannel 6 reported.

Pet owners should also carry a photo of their pet in the event the animal becomes lost. Several animal shelters evacuated to Houston to wait out the storm.

"Normally, we'll evacuate all of our adoptable animals to Lake Charles, where Houston will meet us and take them. Then we'll come back, load our strays, take them to Jackson and our own animals to Baton Rouge. There's such a small window of opportunity this time that everything's going west with us, we're all going to Houston," Louisiana Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals representative Kate Pika said.

The Louisiana SPCA said anyone who abandons their pets could be charged with cruelty to animals.
http://www.wdsu.com/news/4907307/detail.html

---

but killing them is now ok?

[peacebuzzard]

66. God help us. The self righteous renegade criminal fucks are taking over.

( edit: Uhh, oh I forgot that first happened during elections 2000)

Hug your critters when you can.

I will call all the links on this thread.

However, on edit, I bet this trigger happy shit went on from day 1. There are people like that in normal life so when anarchy sets in, it gives them a sexually sadistic pleasure to do whatever the fuck they please. May they burn in hell and in this life too.

[goclark]

67. Watch, they will blame the Mayor

they want to kill the dogs and lay it at his feet.

Shameful!

They better not do it! All hell will break out.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

93. They aleady did - the letter is addressed to the mayor....

Uh - people... the mayor is not running the operation - it's the Feds.

[nicknameless]

105. Unfortunately, the dog killing is going on at a local level.

This is about the only atrocity I've heard of so far that FEMA and * aren't responsible for.

[bbgrunt]

69. kick

[JPZenger]

72. Dogs Still Left Inside Superdome - N.O. Times-Picanyne

Today's New Orleans Times-Picayne says that dogs are still left inside the Superdome. No people are allowed inside. The dogs were pets that were left behind in the evacuation. They are now scavenging through the trash for food.

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/news-19/1126281840266892.xml&storylist=hurricane

[txaslftist]

76. Makes one wonder about the mutilated bodies they found...

...psycho murdering crazies (as reported in the press) or just hungry dogs?

[peacebaby3]

120. The dogs left in the Superdome are locked in a stairwell according to

all the reports I have heard.

They couldn't be roaming for food or eating human remains.

Last I heard, some of the NG were trying to give them some food and water so they won't die.

Sorry, but it sounds like the mutilation to the bodies are all thanks to us humans!

[txaslftist]

73. I hate to be the jackass on this thread...

...but once a dog's been eating human flesh?

I'm sorry. I'm a dog lover and I have a great, great dog. But there are certain lines that dog can't cross and live.

Flame away.

[DixieDem]

74. Do you think that these dogs will start attacking

living humans now, or what?

[txaslftist]

75. I don't know. I'm not enough of an animal behaviorialist to know.

I do know that I'd never let my dog near my child again if that happened.

I also know that those bodies have been laying in the sun and sewage for days (thanks to our wonderful government) and that they might be (I'm also not an epidemiologist) infected with E-coli, toxic waste and god knows what else.

Like I said, I love dogs. I love MY dog. I can't imagine ever leaving her behind for anything. But they are just dogs. I love my kids and their safety first and uppermost.

And on a subconscious level "packs of feral dogs" scares the bejeezus out of me.

[DixieDem]

79. What type of dog do you have?

I would absolutely have NO problem accepting my own pets back into my own home. If they had to eat human remains to survive for a week or two... so what? I've also caught mine hunting for "cookies" in the catbox and other things that us humans might find discusting.

There's a BIG difference between "packs of feral dogs" and pets that had to survive on their own for a week or two.

[WhoseMarie]

80. Kitty Sopapillas & Olberman

My husband calls those 'kitty sopapillas'. LOL

On a serious side, I tried to think who helps us the most when we need to get the word out and emailed Olberman...mebbe...

[txaslftist]

81. A pound puppy with a GREAT disposition. Licks my 1yo's face.

I'd never be able to look at the dog the same way.

Sorry if that makes me intellectually inconsistent or insensitive or not PC. That's just the truth.

[DixieDem]

82. Pound puppy?

Whoo Hoo!!! You go girl/guy!!!
I'll bet you won't be disappointed. Pound puppies are the BEST!!!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

[QuettaKid]

84. KICK. nt.

.

[Coventina]

89. Dogs do not become feral in two weeks. These animals are still pets

Yes, they will form packs, because dogs are pack animals and they have been separated from their human packs.

But they are very unlikely to attack humans, except possibly children, but I don't think there are many children left roaming the streets.

The bottom line is that humans have failed these animals, and they DO NOT DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY!

If they do attack, sure, then they need to be put down. But just because they are roaming the streets in search of food does not automatically mean they are dangerous.

Just because they eat dead bodies does not mean they will attack a living human. You don't think dogs can tell the difference?

If people had been allowed to take their pets in the first place, we wouldn't be in this situation.

[Matariki]

87. i have a friend who used to work for animal rescue

one of her jobs was to go into houses where people died to remove the pets. animal rescue was basically the first to go in, before the body was removed. a lot of times these were people who had been dead for a couple days before anyone realized. their pets ALWAYS had eaten part of the body and had to be put down.

apparently once an animal has done that they get a bit feral.

just saying.

[DixieDem]

88. I've worked in animal rescue too...

I've never found ANY pet that could not be rehabilitated. Just saying...

[MisterP]

91. sure it wasn't law that they had to be killed after tasting "forbidden

fruit"? Many animal laws are straight out of the middle ages, when cart wheels were broken after running people over--a little residual animism, "Of Wolves and Men" has some good stuff on this.

[Matariki]

97. that's probably true

i don't really know, i'm no expert on animals by any means. i DO think she mentioned that it was a law, or at least the way they did things in that town, county or state (?). i always suspected it was more the 'freak out factor', rather than something that changed the animal forever. but like i said, i don't know.

[nicknameless]

92. Nagin's phone # and NOLA City Hall #

City Hall Operator: [phone]

Number for the mayor's office:
City Of New Orleans
Mayors Office of Communications
1300 Perdido Street, Suite 2E04
New Orleans, Louisiana 70112
504-658-4940

Office of Communications (for the city)
City Hall, 1300 Perdido St.
New Orleans, LA 70112
Office: 504-565-6580
Fax: [phone]


(Thanks to lindisfarne!)

[nicknameless]

94. PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO before posting messages about

the dogs being dangerous!!! Those who have watched the clip have said that the dogs that the cops were killing were friendly!!!
http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/photography/2005/katrina_video/straydogs.html

[nicknameless]

96. More phone numbers. PLEASE call these people!

Call: LA Police 1-800-469-4820
Call St. Bernard Police 504-278-4267
Call LA Governor 1-866-310-7617

[nicknameless]

100. St. Bernard Officer killing dogs! From nola.com

4619. by mysamson, 9/9/05 20:25 ET
Re: St. Bernard Parish by Grabthar, 9/9/05

Contact the Governor's Office at 1-866-310-7617 to lodge a complaint against the office ruthlessly killing abandoned dogs. Recommend he be brought up on charges of animal cruelty -- he is reportedly (Sgt.) Mike Minton. Any one who cares about life can see that this man does not deserve to be an officer of the law!

Please call and report this monster: Sgt. Mike Minton!

[AmyDeLune]

101. Kick! n/t

[Name removed]

102. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Mein Bush]

103. Is this a consequence of 4 yrs of compassionate conservatism?

[nicknameless]

106. Another kick for the innocents

:kick:

[panzerfaust]

109. What SHOULD 'They' do?

Dogs and Cats are CARNIVORS.

Dogs in packs are DANGEROUS.

All mammals can carry dangerous diseases – especially when the social infrastructure has broken down.

How many thousands of peoplehours should be spent trying to round up the abandoned animals. Hours that could, in my opinion, be better spent helping the remaining people, retrieving the decaying corpses, and starting to clean up from the disaster.

What about all the abandoned pet mice, hamsters, and goldfish? Send in rescue teams for them?

If not, why not?

[nicknameless]

110. What heartless bullshit.

Most people in the affected area, who are refusing to leave their homes, are doing so because they can't bear to leave their pets. They consider their pets to be family members, and feel towards them as parents feel toward their children. They would rather risk their own lives than abandon these loved ones.

Animals of all description are being rescued by groups who specialize in that work. Reptiles, guinea pigs, etc. They're all precious to their human "parents." The rescuing of pets in no way hampers people rescue efforts. To abandon these animals to die would just be another horrific loss for those who love them and who have lost so much already.

That's some real "compassionate conservatism" you've got going there.

[panzerfaust]

113. Realism

"...Most people in the affected area, who are refusing to leave their homes, are doing so because they can't bear to leave their pets."
And the evidence for this statement is?

"…{They} feel towards them as parents feel toward their children."
Would ‘They’ kill their child to feed their dog? People have done the converse as long as people have had dogs. In spite of the usual American view pets simply are not people, and people, not pets, should take priority.

"The rescuing of pets in no way hampers people rescue efforts."
This assertion is only true if there is unlimited transportation, fuel, supplies, and faculties in the area.

I am sorry to have to tell you this: In their State of Nature, dogs kill and eat other animals for a living.

Dogs are pack hunters and can bring down animals much larger than themselves.

When I used to go running in the early morning (by early, I mean 0300) I had a frightening experience. For several days a dog pack made up of both feral and neighborhood pet dogs had taken to following me on my run. Some of them were very large. One morning, they started nipping at my heels …

I drove them off with thrown rocks. After that I always took a pistol with me. They did not bother me again – is it that they can sense fear, or did they simply remember the rocks?

In any event, had they started on me again I would have shot them without hesitation.

I was only able to watch the movie “Old Yeller” once - as I could not stand to see him killed again – but, he needed to be shot.

So do the abandoned, roaming, now dangerous dogs of NOLA

[nicknameless]

116. Wow. You really hate animals.

The evidence, regarding the reason people are refusing to leave their homes, is that this is the primary reason people have been giving and the primary reason that is being reported.

Animal rescue groups didn't show up to evacuate humans. They're there to try and save the animals that were left behind.

So the Donner Party was no longer safe to be around, since they came to prefer human flesh?

You obviously have considerable issues with animals ... and absolutely no compassion or empathy.

[panzerfaust]

124. No, Don’t. Am one myself.

But perhaps it is American’s love of pets that makes us so oblvious of the suffering of millions of PEOPLE in the rest of the world.

So the Donner Party was no longer safe to be around, since they came to prefer human flesh?
Well, no, would not have wanted to have been on the pass with them. Reading the accounts, they did not wait for the weaker to die first ...

[nicknameless]

129. What a load of Bull. And yes, you clearly DO hate (and fear) animals.

"But perhaps it is American’s love of pets that makes us so oblvious of the suffering of millions of PEOPLE in the rest of the world."

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

That is such an AMAZINGLY assinine statement, it is truly astonishing!!!

Pets were torn away from their owners and abandoned. Not the other way around.

And re: your Donner Party B.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party

[panzerfaust]

135. Really?

My belief is that it would be good if we spent as much on starving Third World (and some American) children – who were born into a world where every day is a disaster of hunger and want – as we do on our pets. My assertion is that we do not because we value the pets more than the people. My evidence is how we actually do spend our money.

On the relative value of People (especially American People) and pets: take a look at what Common Dreams has to say.

Might want to also look at the “forensics” page on this Donner Party site. Murder was possible in several of the deaths.

nota bene: I ignore vitriolic, unreasoned, vituperative ad hominium attacks.

[nicknameless]

152. Just more B.S.

Pets are family members. They are loved and needed just as human family members are.

Those of us who love our pets are not standing in the way of aid to 3rd world nations. :eyes:

Common dreams is not saying that pets should not be loved and cared for. It merely points to the desperate circumstances in some third world nations.

Your Donner Party story is tripe. A third-hand account masquerading as a first hand account. Wikipedia is obviously the more reliable source.

And finally: "nota bene: I ignore vitriolic, unreasoned, vituperative ad hominium (sic) attacks."
Really. Why are you on this thread -- other than to disrupt and inflame?

[peacebaby3]

119. LMAO!!! Are you serious????

I'd be a lot more worried about a paranoid person like you running in my neighborhood with a pistol than a group of dogs!!!

They must have been really dangerous if you, all alone in the wee hours of the morning, could run them off by throwing some rocks! LOL I'm sure they didn't bother you again because they knew you had a pistol. What a load of crap!

Also, how do you know they were wild dogs and pets? Did you personally know some of the dogs? If so, that probably says a lot about you if a dog that knows you is willing to come after you.

There are no reports of packs of dogs!!!! I just saw a report on CNN this morning showing a guy from HSUS rescuing a roaming dog. When he reached down and picked him or her up - it definitely attacked him - WITH LOVE & KISSES!!!! At some point in time it could happen, but it is not happening now and we should be doing all we can to keep it from happening.

All people who want to be rescued have already been rescued!!! This is not taking away from any human rescues!

Comparing "Old Yeller" and this situation is ridiculous. Old Yeller had rabies and was going to die a painful death regardless. These dogs can be saved and live healthy, happy lives. If any of these dogs had a terrible, un-treatable disease, I would be the first to want to HUMANELY end their suffering and not force them to die in misery like we do humans.

[nicknameless]

131. If you think *that's* funny, check out this line from #124

"But perhaps it is American’s love of pets that makes us so oblvious of the suffering of millions of PEOPLE in the rest of the world."

:spray::rofl::spray::rofl::spray::rofl::spray::rofl:
... Amazing!!!

[peacebaby3]

133. I know! Unbelievable!

Last I checked, I was capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time! Just like I can care for human beings and other species at the same time. It's not an either/or...it's all! I guess some people just aren't capable of caring that much.

What do pets have to do with the suffering of millions of people in the rest of the world??? That's due to MANKIND! If we were to go by that kind of a philosophy, we should have left the people and just rescued the animals. I would imagine we could of at least taken care of a few people that were going to cause harm to other humans that way. :sarcasm:

[nicknameless]

148. Not to mention that those of us who are the most compassionate about

our pets are also among the most caring about other human beings.

(Personal theory: Jealousy. Eg: maybe his mom liked the family pet better.)

[panzerfaust]

132. So what diseases could be carried by the dogs

In the current situation:

Brucellosis, campylobacteriosis, cryptosporidiosis, giardiasis, hookworm, tapeworm, leptospirosis, Lyme Disease Q Fever, etc.

Oh yes, and the rabies that has been mentioned.

I, in fact, like dogs.

Expect that most cops do too: But their responsibility is to the people – ‘They’ are not killing dogs because they enjoy it. Expect most are sick at heart. But it needs to be done.

Once Again: Pets are NOT PEOPLE. We have responsibilities to both, but people, and public safety, must come first.

nota bene: I ignore vitriolic, unreasoned, vituperative ad hominium attacks.

[Coventina]

137. Maybe if people had been allowed to take their dogs with them

They wouldn't be the disease-ridden monsters you now imagine them to be.

Or, how about this, if FEMA could get itself organized, maybe they could coordinate picking up all the human remains, whilst allowing the animal rescue groups to collect the ravening dog packs you imagine are terrorizing the city. Voila! Problem solved.

This is a failure of humans, not animals.

And FYI, carrion eaters were designed by nature to PREVENT the spreading of disease, not cause it.

[peacebaby3]

139. *Sigh* I haven't heard of one pet having any of the diseases you mention.

Humans, on the other hand, have been found with diseases.

My pets have had their rabies shots as well as many other vaccinations. Most adult humans have not. In order to get rabies, they would need to be biten by an animal with the disease. Has that happened? If so, could you please provide me with a link to the story of a stranded pet with rabies attacking someone in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina?

Pets are a lot less likely to catch something than are the people so exactly what is your point?

We should just shoot them all because they MIGHT have something? That's absurd. Maybe we should just get rid of all animals because one day they could turn on us or catch something. Oh, wait, we all need each other to survive so that won't work.

Apparently you didn't bother to watch the video of the officer shooting the dogs. They were not a threat or in a pack. They were a person's pets. One woman was still on her property while they were forcing her to evacuate and they just shot her dogs!!! Her dogs came in the house, bleeding and dying while she was trying to gather her stuff.

Show me one example in this entire disaster where the pets have been a threat to people or public safety. Please give me an example from Hurricane Katrina where this has any relevance.

You, paranoid, and running through a neighborhood with a loaded pistol is dangerous! I would find you very threatening to me, and my family (which includes my pets). Now that is something we should worry about regarding public safety!

On edit: If the pets are such a public safety threat, why aren't the National Guard shooting them as well? They are actually feeding them so they can hopefully be rescued. Would they not have the best interest of the people in mind?

[txaslftist]

157. Wow. How do you do that red and blue ink thing? Way cool.

[peacebaby3]

112. They should do as much as humanly possible.

Dogs and cats are carnivorous as a last resort. As are humans. If desperate a human would eat their dead dog or another dead human. We are not at that point yet and many of these pets can still be saved.

I must have missed it but I have seen no reports of any dangerous packs of dogs. Not one report.

I thought it was the mindless sheep that fell for the mass hysteria and fear mongering.

Every animal that is rescued is decontaminated immediately. You can't say the same for the humans.

The rescue of the people has basically concluded. They are now just trying to force out the people who are refusing to leave so this will not take away from any humans being rescued. Sorry, but the dead are dead and the time should be spent on saving the living. If a person considers any animal their pet, then all possible efforts should be made to rescue that pet. Any living, breathing, feeling creature should be saved if possible.

Even if you care nothing for the suffering of a pet, do you not care about the suffering of the human family that loves the pet? Many of these people have lost everything!!! Why would you be so cold as to take away one of their loved ones and yes, many people consider their pet a member of their family. That is heartless and cruel.

It was Ghandi who said that "The Greatness of a Nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."

If we follow your opinion we certainly won't be great or moral as a nation or as human beings.

I thought I was on a board with an intelligent, enlightened, and compassionate group of people, but when I read some of the messages regarding pets, I have to wonder.

[panzerfaust]

126. Never said 'They' should not.

[justiceischeap]

114. Actually you are incorrect

Cats are carnivores but dogs are omnivores. Feral dogs in packs can be dangerous but domesticated dogs in packs are less likely to "turn" on people.

As far as your assertion about rounding up abandoned companion animals, that is why there are thousands of volunteers down there specifically to round up these helpless beings. And yes, if any pet mice, hamsters or goldfish are found, they too would be rescued.

In situations like this, there should not only be contigency plans to evacuate people but animals as well. Most of these folks have nothing left but their companion animals and to those who don't understand the bond people can have with these great creatures, you'll never understand how it would feel to have to walk away from something you feel ultimate responsibility for, let alone love very deeply. Many people in these no so great United States feel as though their companion animals are just as much a member of the family as a child, as well they should.

You know, I hate to bring this up about the photo of the dogs eating the corpse but it's called survival of the fittest and as mentioned in a previous post, people have been known to eat people to survive when there are no other options. Just look at the Brazillian soccer team who crashed in the Andes. I doubt any of them now prefer the taste of "human" to "cow."

[panzerfaust]

122. Carnivora Caniformia Canidae

Canis lupus familiaris is biologically classed as a carnivor.

"… classification as a carnivore does not ... mean that a dog's diet must be restricted to meat alone. Unlike a ... obligate carnivore ... a dog is able to ... digest a variety of foods including vegetables and grains, and ... requires a large proportion of these in its diet. Wild canines typically get such nutrients from the stomach contents of their herbivorous prey … dogs are natural carnivores"

[justiceischeap]

144. DOGS... OMNIVORES OR CARNIVORES?

According to Rebecca Remillard, DVM, a Specialist in Veterinary Nutrition:
"Canines are in the order Carnivora, but I think their feeding behaviors are best described as omnivorous. The term carnivore applies to their taxonomic classification, not their feeding behavior. Taxonomically, dogs are members of the order Carnivora, a very diverse group, that includes 12 families of more than 260 species, some of which are herbivorous mammals (the panda). There are three types of feeding behavior (omnivorous, herbivorous and carnivorous) all of which can be found among different members of the order Carnivora."

[Coventina]

130. Apparently you don't think Americans can walk and chew gum at the same

time.
:eyes:

It must be sad to be you. Does it hurt to be so unfeeling?

No, I guess not. That's what being unfeeling is all about isn't it?
No joy and no pain.

:puke:

on edit: spelling

[panzerfaust]

136. Nuff Said: They are shooting dogs because they MUST

Not because they want to.

Over & Out: Panzer

[Coventina]

138. Any particular reason why you chose a user name that is a killing machine?

Just wondering.

[bluedawg12]

140. Panzerfaust aka bazooka probably because

he plays Medal of Honor series video games.

So do I, and I find the shooting of domesticated creatures of God sickening.

[peacebaby3]

141. Wrong. They don't have to shoot the pets! At this point in time, it is a

choice!

Sounds like the same kind of problem solving the * administration is famous for using. Whatever is the easiest and most cost efficient. Screw the people, the planet, and all of its creatures. It's all about the almighty $$$$.

I'm sure you'll read this, but since you are "over & out", bye.

[DixieDem]

143. EXACTLY!!! n/t

[peacebaby3]

142. Self-delete. Dupe post. n/t

[Bluebear]

145. bull crap

[leftchick]

115. OMG! Read this Report From St. Bernard Parish!

http://news.bestfriends.org/index.cfm?page=specialreports&catid=04061773-BDB9-396E-9001EF6EC01318A4&mode=entry&entry=3DCB630A-BDB9-396E-928FC19C8A9BA3DA&stid=1

<snip>

However, the video also includes evidence of animals being shot, and an interview with Sgt. Mike Minton of the St. Bernard Parish Sheriff’s office. Minton admits he has been shooting dogs, and says it is for their own good. When asked if this is a difficult job, Minton merely shrugs. (See the full video at: http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/photography/2005/katrina_video/straydogs.html. Warning: footage is graphic.) Other stories have indicated that the local authorities in St. Bernard Parish are shooting animals.

A report from the Cox news service details the forced evacuation of residents of St. Bernard. It includes an interview with Marie Miller, who was forced to evacuate by the police of St. Bernard Parish -- after the police shot her two mixed pit bulls while Miller was in the next room.

"They shot our dogs!" Miller, a 54-year-old housewife, said of her mixed pit bulls, Angel and Hooch. She had gone inside to collect clothes and personal papers when she heard it.

"Boom! Boom!" Miller said. "Hooch came in and had blood all over him."

(See complete article at http://www.ajc.com/search/content/shared/news/nation/stories/09/08KATRINA_RESCUE.html. Registration required.)

[nicknameless]

117. OMG. I hadn't read that!

I had posted the link to the video (#29) but that was all. :cry:

That Sgt. Minton has everyone outraged. Many complaints have been logged against him, and we're hoping his head will roll.

... Now if we can just prevent any more shootings. What insane cruelty.

[tuckessee]

118. They are SHOOTING DOGS right now!

Knowing cops, they won't shoot the cats - they'll just stomp them under their combat boots.

The hold-outs will the be next to be shot.

Too many people are gleefully delegating blame to their political opposites to actually try and stop this insanity.

[smbolisnch]

125. Done, kick.

[Rhiannon12866]

151. Support Noah's Wish. They seem to be doing the best and most amazing

work. Just saw another report on them. They've managed to save so many...

http://www.noahswish.org/Hurricane%20Katrina.htm

[nicknameless]

153. BestFriends.org is another wonderful organization.

They're doing a lot of the water rescues, which are proving to be the toughest.
St. Bernard Parish and Jefferson Parish have been mentioned the most as being in desperate need of water rescues.

Noah's Wish is so heroic. They give hope to those of us whose hearts have been broken over these stranded, helpless pets.
Bless all of these angels who are saving the lives of innocent furbabies.

[nicknameless]

154. NEW PETITION TO STOP THE SHOOTING !!!!!!! ***** PLEASE SIGN *****

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/243193358?ltl=1126396423

[rumpel]

161. signed. I just hope it makes it in time.

[nicknameless]

155. NEW -- ACTION THREAD!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4730130