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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:31 AM
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What's the skinny on the Insurrection Act?
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 09:46 AM by The Backlash Cometh
Was Bush's delay because Blanco refused to sign up on the Insurrection Act? Would this Insurrection Act give Bush the power that I think it would?

(1) Would it allow the military to go in Iraqi style and shoot anyone they felt was a threat?

and;

(2) Would it allow Bush carte blanche to give out no bid contracts for reconstruction to crony companies like Halliburton?

If No. 2 is the real issue, then we desperately need someone in the White House to grow a conscience and go public
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:35 AM
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1. What exactly is the Insurrection Act?
I found this by googling:

TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 15 > § 332 Prev | Next

§ 332. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority


Release date: 2004-03-18

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sup_01_10_10_A_20_I_30_15.html

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:37 AM
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2. Jesus Christ! How many other cities or states have been forced to sign
this before getting federal assistance in the history of this country?
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:18 AM
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22. Excellent question! (Lawyers) How many times has the Insurrection Act....
have been enacted and what are the precedent for this act?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:41 AM
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3. Umm,...damn! That's ugly, very ugly!!!
:scared:
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:46 AM
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4. Not just ugly but SCARY!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:36 AM
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9. Looks like Posse Comitatus (sp?) to me!
:scared:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:47 AM
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11. Or in this case, the Posse is Comatose
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:02 AM
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18. control the flow
I'm no lawyer, never had nor expect to ever have the desire to be one. But I wonder if this wouldn't also give the feds the power to "embed" journalists and thereby impose really strict control on the flow of information out of NO ala Iraq.
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neoteric lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:02 AM
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5. Any links or posts? n/t
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LiveWire Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:13 AM
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6. how, and when, did that get passed?
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:23 AM
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7. Here...this article even has data about Katrina in it.
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 10:25 AM by lateo
http://matewan.squarespace.com/journal/2005/9/7/the-insurrection-act.html

Make sure you read the comments of the other readers at the bottom of the article. Juicy stuff there.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:26 AM
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8. But didn't Bush want this signed BEFORE the hurricane came in?
We are in desperate need of a timeline which we can all have a bit of confidence in.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:42 AM
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10. Is this what Congresswoman McKinney was talking about yesterday?
I came in very late while she was speaking on the floor of the House.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:51 AM
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13. I don't know, but if this is what I suspect it is, I don't understand why
more politicians are talking about it.

First, is it that extra-ordinary a request for the Bush Administration to have made to Blanco? Have we ever done it before?

Second, if it is extra-ordinary, what were the reasons for Bush to ask for it BEFORE the storm hit and the damage known?

Third, was one of the benefits that Bush would have had full control over the reconstruction contracts? In other words, was New Orleans treated like a target for an economic hitman?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:56 AM
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16. Oh, you KNOW NO is being treated like a target for economic hitmen!!!
Already been targeted. Have you seen the cronyism run amok in the contracts to Halliburton, Bechtel et al.?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:09 AM
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20. and I've been hearing the news spin:
"what have we learned from Katrina?"

Authorities must be prepared next time to deal with civil unrest, because in this case they were unprepared for the 'lawlessness'.

!!!!!
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:51 AM
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12. why would the federal gov't worry about a Governor
signing an act of the federal gov't. The governors have no place in the passing of legislation...congresscritters and senators would be the ones to look at...

sP
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:53 AM
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14. I think it's because they wanted control over the reconstruction contracts
It's a Democratic city, and I suspect it was targeted to be treated the way that economic hitmen target foreign countries.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:54 AM
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15. i get why he wanted it passed...
but just not why a governor would be considered to have anything to do with the passing of federal legislation...

sP
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:01 AM
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17. As I understand it, Bush was withholding federal assistance until
she did.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:04 AM
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19. governors do not sign legislation at the federal level...
he may not have liked that she didn't support it...but it is more likely that bush was pissed because Landrieu wouldn't vote for it...or something to that effect.

sP
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:18 AM
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23. It's existing law, already passed and enacted. Blanco refused to let
the feds take over, wouldn't let them "federalize" the guard, police, etc.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:19 AM
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25. He was trying to force her in turning over NO to him
He tried to intimidate/threaten her to sign the paper, that way he wouldn't have to invoke the Insurrection Act. If he did, all hell would have broken loose, I believe. She had nothing to do with any kind of legislation.

Glad those GOPers are finally getting rid of the whole stats' rights argumnent.... when they want to, that is.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:17 AM
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21. It's existing law. Bush wanted Blanco to agree to federalizing the
state's resources, militia, etc. by "requesting" the feds to take over. She refused.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:20 AM
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26. Foe someone I thought was a pure-T DINO, Blanco has balls
Good for her! A true "iron-jawed angel."
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:18 AM
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24. Link to actual Law:
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