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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:29 PM
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Fewer Bodies Than Expected Found in Sweeps -
Let's see you kick out the media then amazingly, you don't find near the bodies that were expected, does anyone believe this?

Fewer Bodies Than Expected Found in Sweeps
Sep 09 1:22 PM US/Eastern
By DON BABWIN
Associated Press Writer


NEW ORLEANS


Authorities said Friday that their first systematic sweep of the city found far fewer bodies than expected, suggesting that Hurricane Katrina's death toll may not be the catastrophic 10,000 feared.

"I think there's some encouragement in what we've found in the initial sweeps that some of the catastrophic deaths that some people predicted may not have occurred," said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief.

Ebbert declined to give a new estimate of the dead.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/09/D8CGS9R04.html
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:30 PM
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1. Great news, but I'm wondering about east of New Orleans
Another post said that bodies are everywhere, and no one has yet gotten in to rescue people and assess the situation.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:44 PM
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18. And who is making this claim? - Jerkoff?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:45 PM
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19. any Link?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:02 PM
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47. and south of NOLA may be even worse
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:30 PM
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2. Bullshit....
...without the media to report even close on the accurate numbers they can say whatever they like....that doesn't make it true
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:56 PM
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21. bULLSHIT, EXACTLY- Kick media out, death numbers amazingly drop?
COVER-UP, HERE WE GO AGAIN...WHO CAN VERIFY THIS TO BE TRUE WITH NO REPORTING GOING ON??


http://downingstreetmemo.com/
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:02 PM
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30. DHS are masters of propaganda
and how the hell would they know anyway? This is verbatim off a fax from Rove. :grr:
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:31 PM
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3. Good news. Let's hope it really is true.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:32 PM
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6. Right. Let's just hope more people got out then they thought.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:31 PM
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4. Yeah, when "embedded" with the troops in Iraq, the Media are
truthtellers; when "embedded" with Katrina Survivors they are enemy political activists.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:58 PM
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25. BUSH WILL HAVE HIS OWN "EMBEDDED REPORTERS"
TO DO THE REPORTING AFTER REPORTS ARE CENSORED FIRST...ONLY IN AMERIKA
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF THE PRESS??


http://downingstreetmemo.com/
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:32 PM
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They did the same thing after Charley, but no one EVER says a word...
if you say anything, you're accused of WANTING a high death count...

Poor George Orwell is spinning in his grave...
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:00 PM
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27. tRUE, THEY DID DO THE SAME THING AFTER "CHARLEY"
JEB BUSH HANDLED THAT ONE WITH BROWN IN TOW...!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:32 PM
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5. Not for a minute do I believe this. They're lying..covering up
again. I hope it's true, but.....you KNOW these people. When they say something, the opposite is usually true.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:33 PM
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7. I call BULLSHIT... reports from there yesterday said that they hadn't even
got orders to get the bodies yet, but now all of a sudden they are almost done cleaning an entire city of dead bodies?

Yeah right!

Just collect enough to sound "reasonable", then bulldose the rest with the debree and you are done!

What about all the dead bodies under the water that still isn't pumped out?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:27 PM
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42. i hate to say this or ask this...but the way they are pumping out water
can bodies be broken up and washed out with the water they are pumping/? have you seen the pictures of how the water is being pumped out?? those are powerful pumps...

i fear some of the dead will never be found and families will be left never knowing...

no one can have closure without mourning their dead...and i fear for the familys of the lost souls...

god please take the angels and give them peace for eternity...but ..give the families the truth and answers!!

if there is a god..please let him somehow stop this brutal ignorant dictator of ours..take us out of this misery..and stop *es murders!!

if i am to ever believe in a god again..please god ..get * outta here!

stop him now!!!!!!!!!!

how many deaths will you allow * to cause .. god?????
fly
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:33 PM
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8. They haven't even pumped out parts of the city where most
of the deaths would probably be.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:03 PM
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31. Yup, but we can still hope there are fewer deaths than feared.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:34 PM
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9. "said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief"
So much for credibility!
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:35 PM
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10. No shit. Resume check please.
n/t
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:35 PM
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11. Fewer bodies than expected....
Will actually be reported. The rest will be ground up for landfill or dumped in an open grave. All those claiming there are more, will be detained, reprogrammed and discredited. Thank you, this has been the nightly news. :nuke:
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:37 PM
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12. "Fewer bodies than expected found"
"but we did see a lot of fat alligators."
Under-the-radar post-planning by the PNAC?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:39 PM
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13. How about the ones that were eaten by alligators and rats?
I think we will only know when they tally the missing who could be dead.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:57 PM
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23. yep the bayou swallowed up a lot of people and pets
NO DOUBT! We'll never know how many died because they are gone, gone for good. Once they drain NO it will be the most gruesome discovery ever seen in our country and you can be money on that one! In the meantime, the creatures that live in the bayou are having a hey day!

*ack*!!!

:kick:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:40 PM
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14. Let's hope so
but also, face it. It remains to be seen if reports are truely accurate yet.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:41 PM
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15. How many became animal bait or floated out to sea?
:headbang:
rocknation
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:42 PM
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16. There's other places besides New Orleans
that have plenty of dead. This all reeks of a coverup.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:26 PM
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40. other places besides New Orleans? -- that also report less deaths!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:43 PM
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17. Believe this?
Absolutely not! Without the media taking pictures, we'll never know....except from the survivors being unable to find loved ones....but by then, the administration will put a moritorium on such stories---morale and all! :sarcasm: Anyone remember, and this is disgusting, but that movie with, I think, Edward G. Robinson, "Soylent (sp?) Green" ? Gruesome thought....but.......
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:19 PM
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37. Recommend this up ...please.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:53 PM
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20. Which can only mean one thing
When Bush flew over the city, the miraculous healing power of his presence resurrected the dead.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:59 PM
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26. There's a good zombie movie in there somewhere
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:08 PM
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36. Indeed. After all, he does speak to God.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:57 PM
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22. Which would mean that the inital city/state evacuation of the city...
... was executed about as well as could be expected.

And the main f-up was the absence of any immediate post-hurricane relief.

Keeping the fingers crossed that the toll stays low.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:58 PM
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24. They just officially called off the search and rescue mission today and
announced they would now begin the search for bodies. How can they now be saying that they know with any certainty that the toll may not be as 'catastrophic' as feared. Tell that to one family member who lost a loved one unecessarily in this calamity.

It's just too early to say yet, I hope it's true. Fact is that unless there is independent corroboration for the amount of bodies found, they can cover up the actual numbers and they will probably attempt to do just that.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:01 PM
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28. Exactly!
The following statement is included in the AP article on www.nola.com: "Numbers so far are relatively minor as compared to the dire projections of 10,000," Ebbert said.

So far! They've just started looking for bodies. As I stated in the other thread on this topic, I'll be very interested to hear what Mayor Nagin has to say about Ebbert's statement!

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:02 PM
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29. Who is saying this - Locals or FEMA? According to article
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 01:03 PM by demo dutch
it seems like it's not the local authority.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:03 PM
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32. Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief.
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 01:06 PM by notsodumbhillbilly
How's that for credibility?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:04 PM
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34. So not a "true" local?
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 01:04 PM by demo dutch
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:05 PM
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35. I don't know if he's a local or not,
but he's definitely a fed.
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eglide Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:19 PM
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38. Terry Ebbert works for the City of NO
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:27 PM
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41. If he's part of Homeland Security,
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 01:29 PM by notsodumbhillbilly
he takes direction from Chertoff. I still want to hear Mayor Nagin's comment about Ebbert's statement.
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eglide Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:04 PM
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48. New Orleans has its own Homeland Security office
Its explained in the link I attached.
Nothing to do with FEMA or the federal DHS
Ebberts was executive director of the New Orleans Police Foundation
before the appointment by Nagin.

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2003-03-25/commentary.html
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:28 PM
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43. in that case I'm slightly more inclined to believe the statement
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:04 PM
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33. I still stand by my comment
That the only ones that will be counted are the ones who have family members who insist on it.
The homeless and the people who fall through the cracks of society will in essence, cease to exist, without any mention being made of how they died.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:23 PM
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39. Deaths that some people predicted may not have occurred?
Amazing timing, right after they annonuce that reporters are being kicked or asked not to photograph the dead? -- why not, they can easily blur faces out where there was anything left to visualize!


http://downingstreetmemo.com/
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:34 PM
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44. I think Ebbert can be trusted...
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 01:35 PM by stevietheman
he was one who said on the Thursday after the hurricane there was still no "command and control" (with regards to FEMA) (1) and "This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy." (2)

(1) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/01/AR2005090102428.html
(2) http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5249697,00.html
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:00 PM
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45. An outrageous lie
It'll be interesting to see where the missing persons count is versus their bushit numbers.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:01 PM
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46. That press release was written days ago
you all know that don't you?

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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:04 PM
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49. C'mon, they are just showing respect for the people they murdered
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:10 PM
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50. In the meantime
Survivors are scattered to the four winds going to whoever will take them in, families are busted apart, there are bullitin boards crammed full of messages looking for people.

And in all this confusion, GREAT NEWS INSTEAD OF 25,000 DEAD WE ONLY HAVE 9999. I don't believe them, I don't trust them, I'll never trust anything any government tells me again.

They've blackboxed the dead.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:11 PM
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51. If RWers ahil this talking point we have to come back with
well we'll never no howmany washed away, or were eaten by alligators and dogs.

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