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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:18 PM
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Please folks can we stop with the threads
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 04:18 PM by DoYouEverWonder
that ask the same stupid questions about Blanco and Nagin over and over again.

Most of these questions are being generated on FR and other Bushbot forums and then they come here and we usually debunk them pretty quickly. Sometimes you have to debunk the same stuff a few times in order to snuff it out but this Nagin Blanco crap is getting old.

I understand people have questions but please scan a few pages of threads first. My arms are going to break trying to debunk the same nonsense over and over.

Besides this is just a distraction from the real issue. WHAT DID BUSH & CO DO WRONG. Nagin and Blanco did their best. What more can you ask under the circumstances? While Bush & Co went on vacation instead.

Please stop helping Rove do his job and let's focus on the real issues that face us.

Thanks
DYEW
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:23 PM
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1. we just need to explain one thing about the buses first though
;)

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:27 PM
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2. yes that would be a good
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 04:28 PM by hiley
idea
:argh:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:30 PM
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4. That and why they didn't hand their 'Disaster' paperwork in on time
No credit for late assignments x(
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:32 PM
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5. exactly!
see, when you lose a city you must have your paperwork in on time or else you don't get any aid. It's that simple. Plus you lose all your participation points and any chance of extra credit.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:37 PM
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7. No Beads for you!
But Mikey Brown gets to go home early and have a nice mexican meal, a stiff margarita, a hot shower and to sleep with his wife. That Brownie's doin a great job.
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:29 PM
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3. A-M-E-N! n/t
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:34 PM
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6. I wish Dean would have mentioned the abscene of Chinook helicopters
Am I smoking crack or did I read and hear on cable after the storm calmed that the sandbags were already in place to shore up the one levee but the helicopters never arrived-- I am quite sure that was the case.

Anyone know?

I also wish he would have asked Wolf where the hell those busses were to drive to IF they had even been in good order and gassed up.

Other than that I thought he kicked ass--wolf looked stupid as usual.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:43 PM
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8. Yes, Nagin called FEMA to send helicopters
before the 17st St. Levee breached.

He had the sandbags ready all he needed was the copters. First FEMA said they would send them and then later on they said they had diverted them and never sent them to even try to prevent the breach.

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 07:57 PM
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9. That's what I thought I heard at the time
I don't think that Nagin OR Blanco had the necessary means at their disposal--I have posted before that I have been annoyed with Nagin because he at some point ragged on Blanco after bush breezed in and spouted bullshit to pacify him... but bottom line here IMO is that the Feds were the ones who failed, local and state Gov can only do what they can do within the constrictions of their means and budgets.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:08 PM
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10. Clarification...
Nagin was already pissed at Blanco before (and after, to a certain extent) Bush came into the picture. And if we are honest, we will admit that Nagin isn't the only one disappointed with Blanco's response.

Mayors don't control the NG. Mayors don't have access to helicopters. Mayors (in the normal chain-of-command) don't just make demands of the federal government or the President. The governor is in charge of facilitating those requests and communications.

I've read countless articles and seen countless interviews, not only with Nagin, but with other parish presidents and sheriffs. Nobody will come out and say it (because they are Southerners and as such, won't air the dirty laundry in public--she is their governor, after all), but they not only blame FEMA (rightfully, of course) for the lack of response, but they also blame Blanco as well. We haven't heard much from her of late, but she's going to have to answer the same questions they have asked Nagin.

Why didn't those Black Hawks Nagin requested get there? We know they were rerouted by FEMA. We know FEMA bungled. But obviously Nagin had to go through Blanco with the request. When Bush asked Blanco to cede control of LA to the Feds, it should have taken one hour for her to say "NO, that's not necessary because you already have authority under the NRP to send me everything I've requested of you. Get it here now or I'm going public with your failure to act in the interest of saving lives."

That's why you had that interview Nagin did with Garland which has been broadcast around the world venting his anger over the lack of assistance. The NYT has another article out about the disaster.

<snip>

At midafternoon on that Monday, a few hours after Katrina made landfall, state and federal leaders appeared together at a press conference in Baton Rouge in a display of solidarity.

Governor Blanco lavished her gratitude on Mr. Brown, the FEMA chief.

"Director Brown," she said, "I hope you will tell President Bush how much we appreciated - these are the times that really count - to know that our federal government will step in and give us the kind of assistance that we need." Senator Mary L. Landrieu pitched in: "We are indeed fortunate to have an able and experienced director of FEMA who has been with us on the ground for some time."

Mr. Brown replied in the same spirit: "What I've seen here today is a team that is very tight-knit, working closely together, being very professional doing it, and in my humble opinion, making the right calls."

<snip>

At first glance, Annex I of the "City of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan" is reassuring. Forty-one pages of matter-of fact prose outline a seemingly exhaustive list of hurricane evacuation procedures, including a "mobile command center" that could replace a disabled city hall and schools designated as shelters.

<snip>

As Hurricane Katrina bore down on New Orleans, Mayor C. Ray Nagin largely followed the city plan, eventually ordering the city's first-ever mandatory evacuation. Although 80 percent of New Orleans's population left, as many as 100,000 people remained.

Colonel Ebbert decided to make the Superdome the city's lone shelter, assuming the city would only have to shelter people in the arena for 48 hours, until the storm passed or the federal government came and rescued people.

-------------------------------------------

Now I'm of the opinion that Blanco did make the necessary requests. I think she did her job to the best of her capabilities. But I'm also of the opinion that her job didn't end with the requests. It was also her job to make sure the Feds got off their asses and got the assistance into the affected areas of LA. When it was obvious that the President LIED to her when he said she would have everything she needed, Blanco should have made that information public IMMEDIATELY.

Nagin went postal on the government and Bush and look what happened. BOOM - he shamed Bush into sending Honore (the point man and coordinator he needed), the troops he needed to restore law and order (and relieve his exhausted PD and FD), and the coast guard to assist with search and rescue operations. Nagin finally got the ball rolling in NOLA. But there were all the other parishes that were devastated and needed assistance as well. Someone needed to speak up for them too.

Don't get me wrong; this only applies to LA and LA only. The two kiss-ass Repub governors deserve a smackdown as well for fellating Bush while people in their states perished. I'm concerned about Blanco's future. She needs to get her defense together.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:34 AM
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11. I already knew everything you stated above
You're right but my contention is the buck stopped with the whitehouse and anything else is just a diversion from the facts--

Anyone with half a brain watching faux news preceding the hurricane(as our resident supposedly does) would have known that immediate massive reaction was required before and after the storm.

Bush didn't need to "federalize" to act, that is a smoke screen and a big pile of bullshit.

Was Blanco perfect? No -- does it matter and is she to blame to blame? Hell no!

No Mayor or state official has the resources the feds have--bottom line. Once again bush screwed up, just like he did on 911, just like he did with the space shuttle program literally going up in smoke (incompetent in charge of NASA appointed by Cheney) Just like he did regarding the invasion of Iraq, allowing bin laden to escape on a mule and the list goes ON and ON and ON.

How many so called *mistakes* does he get a pass on?
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