Why the hell are there ANY dead bodies on the street anywhere

[MichiganVote]

in the USA? There are countless government, military, local and outside agency personnel in NO.

Can they walk and chew gum at the same time? Goddamn it, this is just another fuck you at the American people.

Come on folks! Don't buy this new line of BS from any of them. There is no reason why they must focus on only a rescue mission when American citizens are laying around like litter.

Get going! Bite these politicians in the ass with your mail. This is so beneathe us.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. They have already begun to pick up bodies

they appear to be trying to do their best. Maybe you would like to go down and help? I'm sure they have plenty of openings.

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[donheld]

7. You'd still probably do a better job

than those FEMA idiots.

[MichiganVote]

8. Do they even know what a dead body is?

[TankLV]

46. Look in the FEMA head office and the Oval Office.

[donheld]

48. Don't forget old Crashcart Cheney himself.

They haven't been able to figure out he's been dead.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. I'm not the one complaining about it

Most people don't really comprehend the size and scope of this disaster and what is involved, especially when the Federal Government completely failed to do their job the first 5 days. If FEMA had sent the helicopters that Nagin requested before the 17th St Levee broke we might not be picking up dead bodies. But FEMA decided to use those helicopters for something else that day.

[MichiganVote]

15. Horseshit. Americans comprehend plenty and it doesn't take a

genius to know that dead American citizens left on the streets for two weeks in any kind of weather is beyond logic. I'm done talking about Nagin, Nagin is not the issue.

Dead Americans left to rot on the streets of the USA IS the issue.

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. Well if BushCo had didn't take 5 days to wake up

to the fact that we were in the middle of a natural disaster maybe we would be a little further along with the clean up?

[jmowreader]

55. It's WHAT they used them for that pisses me off

They sent them to rescue people trapped at a church.

Apparently there were about a thousand people at this church, and because Bush is a Holy Man beloved by other Holy Men, they had to go to this church and get the people to safety.

This inaction on the levee caused thousands of people to die, but the good churchgoers were saved.

[meisje]

13. Maybe you could point to the bodies?

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[BikeWriter]

23. It's been over a week, hasn't it? That's too fucking long!

[MichiganVote]

26. Over a week too long for the media to continue to report that

the deceased are lying around on top of cars, on streets, over canals.

[BikeWriter]

51. Yep. that sort of crap is inexcusable.

[DoYouEverWonder]

32. Well maybe if BushCo didn't take five full days to get into gear

we would be further along at this point?

[MichiganVote]

42. Maybe the focus is not on people, again...and is more on

the hurricane's destruction. Just askin'....

[DoYouEverWonder]

44. Well for the Repugs that is certainly true

Listen to folks like Bush and Haley Barbor during the aftermath of the storm. All they were concerned about was property, looting and security. They could care less about people.

[MichiganVote]

45. And that is my concern with the deceased. They want to talk numbers

I'm talking about both the dignity of the deceased and of ourselves as a nation. Saving dogs is wonderful, great. Shooting dogs is lamentable, not great. But to read that they have only the last few days cleared out the dead from the convention center is sickening.

[DoYouEverWonder]

47. I think we need to focus and place the blame

as much as we can on the response during the first five days of the disaster. That was when BushCo was totally in charge and that was when their FEMA Freepers did everything they could to hamper and even sabotage the response.

Since last Friday, when Gov Blanco had to wrestle back control of her state from BushCo, only then did things actually start to happen. During that time they have gotten rid of 50% of the water, evacuated 1000's of people and restored law and order. During that time they also repaired the 17th Street Levee and everyday they are bringing more pumps on line. Some parishes are even allowing people to return and have potable water again.

I was through 3 hurricanes last year and none of them were anything like Katrina. The amount of clean up and work afterward is unbelievable.

Let's give credit where credit is due and at the same time do whatever it takes to get the cabal out of DC that has taken over our country.

[MichiganVote]

49. Bush deployed 7000 NG to the gulf area. The locals are the ones

who have performed most of the rescues with flatbottom boats. So I'm asking the question, why are there dead american citizens lying around? No question they are not going to get to them all overnight but 7000 people ought to be able to do more in a week than draw up 12 boats and await orders.

I understand your need to work on the political issues, the lack of response etc. But I see a pattern here that is very suspicious.

If the 7000 or so are not picking up the dead, what the sam hill are they doing?

[BikeWriter]

52. Exactly!

[DoYouEverWonder]

38. Dupe

I already posted an answer. oops

[malaise]

2. I heard some NG on some program last night

they said they have not received orders to pick up the dead.

[MichiganVote]

5. So lets give them some orders!

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Can't you read?

They are picking up the bodies.

[MichiganVote]

19. Really. Where and when?

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. In the front page story on Yahoo

Katrina Death Toll May Not Hit 10,000

Sept 9, 2005

<snip>

Authorities officially shifted most of their attention to counting and removing the deadafter spending days cajoling, persuading and all but strong-arming the living into leaving the city because of the danger of fires and disease from the fetid floodwaters.

Ever since the hurricane struck Aug. 29, residents, rescuers and cadaver-sniffing dogs have found bodies floating in the waters, trapped in attics or deft lying on broken highways. Some were dropped off at hospital doorsteps or left slumped in wheelchairs out in the open.

Mayor Ray Nagin suggested last weekend that "it wouldn't be unreasonable to have 10,000" dead, and authorities ordered 25,000 body bags. But soldiers who had been brought in over the past few days to help in the search were not seeing that kind of toll.

"There's nothing at all in the magnitude we anticipated," said Maj. Gen. Bill Caldwell, commander of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hurricane_katrina;_ylt=AmzuK7esikbB5vwoha1oRQKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

[MichiganVote]

33. What authorities? This article converges multiple stories.

Meaning, its impossible to know who is responsible for this recovery effort.

"A dozen boats awaiting calls to retrieve bodies were lined up early Friday on an interstate ramp that was being used as a makeshift boat launch."

A dozen boats, as in 12, to cover the city the size of NO. Oh that really makes sense. It took them over a week to line up 12 boats for recovery and people are bitching about little kid school buses?

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. Gen Honore is running the show

and he seems to be doing a good job. He's even starting to rescue the pets.

[enigma000]

3. There was this hurricane see? n/t

[MichiganVote]

6. And from the sound of things you weren't in it and neither was

anyone you cared about

[enigma000]

9. Touchee

Point taken - that was snarky of me. Still, people lose lives in natural disasters. Give them some time. . . .

[MichiganVote]

16. Get your head out of denial. Dead Americans are splayed on

our streets while hundreds and thousands of able bodied personnel play shoot em' up. Do you understand how demoralizing this is for Americans? Do you get that the families of evacuees are wondering if their missing loved ones had been lying under a garbage bag for two weeks?

They don't NEED anymore time. They need to move it!

[pitohui]

11. well i was in it

& saving the living has to come before picking up the bodies, there are a lot of them, thousands, prob. 1,000 in st bernard alone, another 1,000 in biloxi, hell, there were 50 known dead just in waveland

this is not just a part-time job that can be done in spare moments

i heard on the news they've ordered 25,000 body bags, it's going to take time

[MichiganVote]

18. Have they even started? And how do you know what they need?

I specifically said there was no reason not to put the personnel there to work doing both rescue and recovery of dead bodies.

God, you people are in complete denial.

[pitohui]

31. i'm glad you know better than actual gulf south inhabitants

must be wonderful being able to sit back in michigan and tell us stupid southerners what to do

it would be wonderful indeed if our troops were brought home from iraq & put on the job in question but as reality is what it is then recovery of dead bodies rightly takes a backseat to recovery of still living bodies

jeeze louise

i'm glad you are personally unaffected & can sit back & be above it all in yr advice giving

must be nice

yes, they have started, sheesh, i saw a forensics unit going out today

do you want every body properly identified or would you prefer it to be all swept under the rug

i do not believe we do not have forensics available to handle something of this size

[MichiganVote]

37. Oh, I'm sorry. If I'd known or even surmised that all southerners

are stupid, I would have made that important fact known sooner. As it is, make your excuses or read the above referenced article at Yahoo.

By the way, your sentence,

"i do not believe we do not have forensics available to handle something of this size", needs a little work.

How can any American be unaffected when their fellow citizens are left to rot on our streets in any part of the country? Not me, honey.

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[malaise]

29. Both should and could have been done at the same time

if Bush hadn't started an illegal war. It is beyond disgraceful to have people lying dead in the streets for over a week.

[MichiganVote]

39. Exactly.

[AtomicKitten]

14. I think they are trying to postpone a formal body count

of their murder by bureaucracy.

[MichiganVote]

20. So what, they're hoping they will rot away and won't have to count them?

[AtomicKitten]

50. Actually remains are clogging up the drainage pumps.

Maybe they are waiting for them to rot away.

[peacetalksforall]

17. They wanted the alligators to eat them so that there will always be a

mystery about their disappearance and any wills or aid to dependents can go to the officials in our government.

There is nothing else to think about them but the worst.

They are hopeless - by manipulating the entire disaster out of greed, they satisfy their friends and the religious fanatics of this country.

Are we doomed to be ruled by these people or are we going to learn and educate others who don't get it yet?

[pretzel4gore]

28. poor alligators aint eating anything

though the busheviks probably wish they were...alligators are no more inurred to toxicity then are the fema bots (who are careful never to get wet)...starving dogs might tear away, but not enough that the victim's identity couldn't be determined (remember how they id's everybody in the wtc rubble?)

[BikeWriter]

22. Fuck'n A! Good question.

[Sarojin]

24. Environmental disaster?

I have been wondering since the day after the hurricane hit if some of the mismanagement wasn't merely a cover for something really bad happening from all of those chemicals etc. There were some pretty scary possibilities being reported, and it could explain the delayed response (not justify mind you) in that they were afriad to get near it and cause more death. And then lie lie lie to cover for an even more disastrous result than what we're seeing.

40k body bags reported on KO last night...perhaps they are expecting some large scale death toll from exposure to something. Evacuating the city, restricting the media...are they covering up for something even more heinous than what we already know about?

/tinfoilhat off

[MichiganVote]

25. This is bad, bad, bad, for Americans

What good is a Marine slogan when we permit our citizens to lie dead like so much litter they'll get around to one of these days.

[pitohui]

36. no this isn't the case

i know ppl licensed to re-enter the area

water did this

our puny minds can't comprehend but water did this

[merbex]

30. Since the military is already there - isn't there a unit within the milita

concerned or whose function it is to identify soldiers who died? Aren't they attached to something called a grave unit?

I'm sitting thousands of miles away but it seems that if you're going to deploy the 82nd Airborne you could deploy people whose job it is to deal with the dead

[MichiganVote]

41. And that is what I want to know more about.

Are we taking care of people first, dead or alive, or are we being duped while soldiers do clean up irrespective of the dead?

[Alamom]

53. They have had a morgue set up for days

I have seen this on numerous news programs with video.

A morgue is ready and has been. DMORT ( I think is the agency) has been there and are on alert. The morgue with it's supplies and facilities just sit there with no orders from anyone to do this job.

I read about this agency a couple of days ago, here. I never heard of it before, but it is for devastation of this magnitude.

This may not ne the correct abbr...it was the Dept of Emergency Mortuary services or something of that nature. I'm sorry I don't have the exact info. I'll try to find it.

The point is, there are people waiting to take care of this and do it with respect and no one in charge had said "Go".

[Alamom]

54. The answer is......Homeland Security is in charge of DMORT

What Is A Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team (DMORT)?

The National Response Plan assigns the National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) Section under Emergency Support Function #8 (ESF #8) to provide victim identification and mortuary services. These responsibilities include:

temporary morgue facilities

victim identification

forensic dental pathology

forensic anthropology methods

processing

preparation

disposition of remains

In order to accomplish this mission, Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Teams (DMORTs) were developed. DMORTs are composed of private citizens, each with a particular field of expertise, who are activated in the event of a disaster. DMORT members are required to maintain appropriate certifications and licensure within their discipline. When members are activated, licensure and certification is recognized by all States, and the team members are compensated for their duty time by the Federal government as a temporary Federal employee. During an emergency response, DMORTs work under the guidance of local authorities by providing technical assistance and personnel to recover, identify, and process deceased victims.


http://oep-ndms.dhhs.gov/dmort.html



FIRST NEWS REPORT (ABOUT) 09/0305 & STILL NO ORDERS ?


Disaster Mortuary Team to identify victims of hurricane

By MARK F. BONNER

Advocate staff writer

ST. GABRIEL -- In preparation for the bodies that will be removed from New Orleans in the coming days and weeks, a Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team on Saturday was erecting a temporary morgue in a large warehouse next to the St. Gabriel Police Department off of Iberville Street.
Officials on the scene wearing green "DMORT" shirts would not comment on their presence or their construction efforts, but dump trucks were bustling in and out of the work site.

DMORTs are directed by the National Disaster Medical System -- a sector within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency, Response Division.

The teams include funeral directors, medical examiners, coroners, pathologists, forensic anthropologists, medical records technicians and transcribers and fingerprint specialists, according to the National Disaster Medial System Web site.


http://2theadvocate.com/stories/090405/new_morgue001.shtml



9/08/05
Morgue units preparing as Katrina's dead uncovered
By Alan Levin, USA TODAY
BATON ROUGE — The bodies are arriving in a trickle right now at the makeshift morgue in the small town of St. Gabriel, La. But Louis Cataldie and his crew of forensic specialists know that more are coming.


"I don't know how many people have died," says Cataldie, a physician and the commander of a federal emergency morgue unit that's examining and cataloguing the dead from Hurricane Katrina.

The warehouse is the temporary headquarters for the Louisiana branch of the Disaster Mortuary Operational Recovery Team (DMORT) — a portable disaster squad made up of coroners, pathologists, dental assistants, funeral directors and other experts from around the country. The facility has enough equipment and staff to process as many as 5,000 bodies.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-07-cover-morgue-units_x.htm