George Bush Will Never Live This Down. He's Finished. It's Over.

[David Zephyr]

New Orleans is Bush' legacy.

It's over.

He's finished.

Critical mass in public opinion has been reached.

Before Bush even opens his mouth now every American will expect him to either lie or blame someone else for his own failures.

He's toast.

[Waya]

1. Hope you're right...

[Cobalt Violet]

2. I agree.

I hope it is also the legacy of conservatism in general.

[LSparkle]

11. The selfish, me-me-me of the Reagan Era will hopefully die too

All these people who are so LOATHE to pay taxes need to realize that that's the admission price for being part of a democracy. You gotta take care of your people, not just practice the "law of the jungle."

[liberalhistorian]

29. The problem is, too many of them

still have that attitude even after Katrina. Their whole attitude is that "they should have gotten out of there" and that if they didn't have the money or resources to do so, it was their own damn fault and should have been no one else's problem. The only way they'll ever change that attitude is if something actually happens to THEM and THEIR family, when it directly affects THEM. And even then, they'll say such-and-such policy is okay for them because they have good reason, but other people don't. That's just the way it seems to be.

[jaysunb]

53. Your're right , because when you add the underlying

factor of racisim, it will only steel the will of most of these people.

[missouri dem 2]

181. You'll have to pry their SUV'S out of their cold dead hands.

[Skittles]

189. yeah but they are just not admitting defeat

deep down they have to be appalled unless we live in a country filled with sociopaths

[tblue37]

200. That won't change it generally--

just for them.

I know a fundie RW Republican girl who was all about dismantling welfare and how single (sinning) women who get pregnant should have no government support, no matter how poor they are.

Then she got pregnant (unmarried, of course) and had to drop out of college and go on welfare and get other sorts of government aid (e.g., food stamps, WIC) to take care of her baby.

She eventually moved to New Zealand, where her missionary parents live, and has recently finished her college degree. She moved there specifically because NZ has a generous welfare state: her education was paid for by the government, she herself received a monthly stipend, and her mother was paid generously to babysit the child while the young woman went to school and worked a part-time job.

Her future is bright, because the welfare provided by NZ enabled her to get on her feet, get an education, and have her son well taken care of while she did so. But she is still a RW Republican fundie, especially now that she no longer needs the welfare assistance.

[gristy]

150. Not just democracy, but civilized society.

Taxes are the admission price to a civilized society.

[Polemicist]

186. Law of the Jungle, George of the Bungle....

First line stolen from LSparkle. Second line stolen from tonight's Real Time with Bill Maher.

George, George, George of the Bungle.

[Dulcinea]

191. Hurricane Katrina will be his undoing.

That'll be his legacy, not 9/11.

[Melodybe]

109. He's right, we're gonna win.

[William769]

3. I wished I had your optimism.

[jaysunb]

8. I'm with you....

but I too share Davids hope.

I'm more optimistic about what damage Mr Fitzgerald will inflict.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

42. that won't be damage, but correction. A HUGE difff.

On top of it all, his cases are always totally researched and confirmed, with not one loophole. if there are crimes, they will be found out, and the assholes will pay.

[jaysunb]

56. Good frame

and I hope it comes soon.

[Old and In the Way]

31. Irregardless of whether he survives his term unimpeached.....

the 'accomplishments' will hang around his neck for as long as there is American History.

Think of just one thing that made this country or the world better? I can't. Even his post 9/11 'take charge' personna is rooted in the reality that he ignored the many warnings that allowed 9/11 to happen.

He will be known as the 'Disaster pResident'

[William769]

34. You are right about that.

[leeroysphitz]

39. I agree with you 100 percent but...

Please please please edit that "Irregardless". :)

[ailsagirl]

95. LOL!!!

[EST]

101. Heehee

You're never going to win.

[MuseRider]

48. If he doesn't go to

prison, or hell even if he does, we must never let him forget this fact. We must shout it for years to come both to make him suffer but to make certain that his name does not lose that feeling of hopelessness and disgust that should forever and always be attached to it.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

64. The Neglegent Homicide President

That's W.

[PA Democrat]

73. The foreign press has been referring to him as "President Apocalypse"

GEORGE BUSH: PRESIDENT APOCALYPSE
http://www.midiaindependente.org/en/blue/2005/09/328750.shtml

PRESIDENT APOCALYPSE
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15926352&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=president-apocalypse-name_page.html

[Autonomy]

115. Those papers don't count

because they're liberal papers. And any conservative paper who criticizes Bush no longer counts because they are no longer conservative. And Powell no longer counts because we didn't trust him all along, even when we praised him for being Bush's lackey.

Ahem. Throw in a lot of profanity, name-calling and race-baiting, and it's a pretty good freeper impression, no? :7

[Mr Rabble]

171. we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home

we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home
we are fighting them abroad, so we dont have to fight them at home

*cuts own throat*

[osaMABUSh]

174. Those one paragraph presidential synposis that you see on

placements, trading cards, school posters, etc will read: "George W. Bush, 43rd President, son of 41st President George HW Bush, came into office after the closest and most controversial election ever. Presided over two of the worst tragedies on American soil: the 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks and the 9/2005 Hurricane Katrina. His achievements include the largest tax cuts ever and starting the Iraq War."

[unless]

198. Do you mean "Bush's war"?

I was specifically asked to sing the National Anthem at a Veterans Day concert this year. I declined, telling the wonderful man who was coordinating it (a Vietnam vet, no less), "While that song is one of my favorite songs, I cannot bear to sing it, because I don't know that the flag still waves in our Capitol. Someday, people will realize that Bush's War is another Vietnam - and I cannot sing this song in good conscience in a house of God. It would be an insult to what my grandfathers and what you fought for." This big man, with tears in his eyes, gave me the hugest hug.

I will never refer to it as the "Iraq War" again. It was in Iraq, but it is Bush's war, and it deserves nothing less than to carry his name throughout the annals of history.

Bush's War.

Doesn't it have a nice ring?

[jokerman93]

199. It's Bush's War. He owns it.

"The moving finger writes,
and having written moves on.
Nor all thy piety nor all thy wit,
can cancel half a line of it."

Omar KHARYAM
Persian poet and astronomer (died c. 1123)

[Kahuna]

4. The sob lost one of our most historic cities...

Only he could have accomplished that.

[Dudley_DUright]

40. I keep thinking about that SNL skit with Will Farrell playing Bush

in the oval office and you can see that DC is on fire out the window and Bush is hiding under his desk saying "Presidenting is hard". Eerie how that was so prophetic to both 9/11 and NOLA.

[jjmalonejr]

5. Have you ever said that before about some other screw up or scandal?

I have, so I've already spent mine and have no credibility.

[David Zephyr]

22. Never said it before tonight.

Sadly, it wasn't my party, the Democrats, that brought him down for his uncountable crimes...

It was all by his own making.

History will not be kind to George W. Bush. Not at all.

[Blue_Roses]

38. "It was all by his own making"

that's what makes it so sweet. He only has himself to blame...

[SnowGoose]

182. All the death he has brought has taken any sweetness away

and left me only bitter.

I think that will be Bush's legacy for me, and a lot of other people in the world: bitterness.

[Skittles]

190. history won't be kind to the people who supported him

I think history will give the Black Caucus the credit they deserve

[Old and In the Way]

6. The Legacy of George W. Bush

He went long on War and we lost big. He went short on the Domestic Infrastructure and we lost big.

[pretzel4gore]

32. the media is downplaying the losses

dirty bastards, they will act angry when the truth 'emerges' after bozo is pensioned off, but until then it's biz as usual...that's a famous drawback of being goddamed liars; when some idea of truth is told, no one believes it...bush never caused katrina, but for all intents and purposes, he caused every death, ever dollar lost!
looks good on them

[BootinUp]

7. Amen. n/t

[malaise]

9. You are 100% correct

The neocons are finished.

[David Zephyr]

10. For the record: Over five years posting here & I've never said this.

But as Bob Dylan said, "Things have changed."

[jjmalonejr]

16. That's encouraging.

Maybe you're right.

Lord, I hope so.

[Erika]

12. W's created an "untouchables" in the caste system

Where people are so desperate they will do the bidding of this corrupt and evil globalist king. Damn him!

[orpupilofnature57]

75. Impeach him !

[orpupilofnature57]

13. We could at least stahl him with Impeachment proceedings, like when

Poppies Friends dogged Bill at another critical time in history, tell you this if Shrub isn't done, we are.

[SmokingJacket]

14. In a normal world, you would be right.

And you may be yet.

But this administration successfully turned Abu Ghraib into No Big Deal... so I dunno.

There's a massive percentage of Americans who just don't care.

[MuseRider]

15. I am beginning to feel

critical mass has been reached. I think we have a movement now. We can't blow it now, too many people are now wise to them. I can't explain why I feel this way but it started yesterday and has not ebbed at all.

[bertha katzenengel]

24. Send a dose o' that out Maryland way, will you, please?

I am terrified to hope. :pals:

[MuseRider]

41. Seeeending Seeeeeending

Bertha my wonderful friend. Feel better. I too and truly terrified with the blatent racism that I am seeing, it feels like the 50's all over again. Add that to the homophobia and the death and tragedy and these guys are really getting out of hand. I just think that most people are good and it feels like it is growing by numbers I can't even count to.

Of course I am usually full of shit. :shrug:

Feel some hope, I am sending. Sleep well.

[bertha katzenengel]

47. LOL

Thanks, dear friend.

[MuseRider]

50. Anything for you

anytime. If I run out I will just borrow some back. :hug: :loveya:

[Tatiana]

54. Hang in there!

:hug: We've all suffered so long. Not to mention those in New York, in Iraq, in New Orleans. The tide is turning. It's going to happen. He's going down.

[TomInTib]

17. In the words of the great Alan Toussaint...

"The same dudes you misuse on your way up
You're gonna meet up
On your way down"

They found Alan you know.

[Webster Green]

51. He is great!

I didn't know he was missing, but if so, thank God he's OK!

One of the best live shows I ever saw was Alan Toussaint (with a huge band) opening for Little Feat, at Lisner Auditorium in DC. There wasn't a dry seat in the house at the end of the night!


Demand resignations! Now!

[randr]

76. He was on Letterman last night

[TomInTib]

79. Now you tell me...... n/t

[Hamlette]

18. getting rid of Brownie sure settled the "who's fault is it" question.

he is going to have a hard time digging out of this.

[Virginian]

123. It's Brownie's fault.

Lil Boots won't accept responsibility. It was all Brownie's fault.

Do you think he is so insulated from everything that he actually thought Brownie was doing a heck of a job?
He sure seemed surprised when Nancy Pelosi was asking if brownie was getting fired. Do you think that was the first that junior had heard that NO was not doing well and Brownie was NOT doing a heck of a job?

I thought it odd that junior was in the middle of a speech when Brownie's reassignment was announced.

[TankLV]

155. Hurricane? What Hurricane?!!!!!!!

Why didn't somebody tell me there was a hurricane!

Now watch while I sink this putt!

[jokerman93]

202. Well then

If Bush wants to insist that he is ineffectual and therefore blameless, maybe we should just ignore him and go after the administration.

I mean it makes sense since by his own insistence, he's irrelevant as a causative factor in any of the Republican/Neocon disasters America and the world has suffered.

[Polemicist]

187. Brownie fired?

I thought the Prez said he did a "Helluva job". I guess he meant Brownie did a Helluva job screwing over the Democratic city of New Orleans in the Democratic state of Louisiana.

Florida had no problems getting FEMA aid in a timely manner through 4 hurricanes last year. Wanna guess if their governor is a Republican and who they voted for in the last two elections?

Bush played politics with disaster relief. It's unforgivable.

[librechik]

19. A dead puppet is still useful

It was just a puppet anyway.

Do you think the Masters who pull the strings will let this drop?

NO WAY.

We will have to commit ourselves to the fight of our lives, and really DO it. And it still may be impossible to dislodge these corrupt totalitarians.

[Blue_In_AK]

20. I have to agree with you.

He's a uniter, not a divider -- and I think he's finally done it.

[Blue_In_AK]

21. Dupe

[Speck Tater]

23. The first day I came to DU...

back during the primaries when the Dean For America site pointed me in this direction I have read post after post, on a almost daily basis, claiming that today's big scandal would be the end of Bush. Somehow it never sticks because somehow the Democrats in power who could do what it takes to make it stick always back down and cower. Then the scandal blows over and it's back to business as usual until the next daily scandal.
Face it, the neocons have such a strangle hold on the media that nothing stays in the public eye long enough to work up a good head of steam. And the public doesn't know what they don't see, and doesn't care about what they don't know.

[MamaBear]

25. I hope you're right.

It will help if we don't let them forget. Make them hate the terms FEMA, flood, and incompetence as much as we hated being reminded of that stupid blue dress.

I hope the people at AAR and the other liberal broadcasters will not be polite about this.

[BOHICA06]

26. Since the French Quarter is mostly ...

unscathed and Mardi Gras will go on, and the port is critical and will be back in 6-months. Hell, in two-years he will take credit for the New-New Orleans, the full employment and the building boom!

3-1/2 years is a long time.

[Davros]

27. Make sure they don't spin his "legacy"

In the history books, years from now, we need to all remind the next generation what really happened to prevent history from repeating.

[dweller]

46. how young are you? cuz, i'm not going to be here to make sure

that history does not rewrite the plagues this *moron has delivered onto us.

Please make sure my great-grand children don't read how he flew his jet fighter over Iraq and single handedly took out Saddam Bin Ladin while declaring 'Mission Accomplished' before he flew back and was crowned the US Emperor for Life, and ruled happily ever after in New Jesusland, La.

promise?

dp

[amber dog democrat]

28. He'll just continue to dig his grave even deeper.

Its all the monkey understands .
Going to be an interesting next 3 years

[nradisic]

30. From your mouth to God's ears...

Right after 9/11, when Bush had a 93% approval rating...I was part of the OTHER 7%....I kept on saying to myself...."Forgive them Father for they know not what they do!"

HOLY SHIT! I've been living a fucking nightmare for over 5 years and now the rest of the morons wake up!

This truly is the GOP's version of "1994" whenthe Senate and House went GOP.

We all must work as hard as humanly possible to take back the senate and house in 2006, impeach Bush, clean house and get our great nation back on track.

[Amonester]

70. Go for it, and the civilized world is with you all the way!!

Gotta work, though. Work, work, work, and work again. March, email, post flyers, and all that.

:patriot: :applause: :woohoo:

[bobbieinok]

169. 1974----democratic landslide in congress; something to remember

AFTER Nixon resigned August 9, 1974

[flygal]

188. I was part of the 7% also

I just never trusted the guy. When people were falling over themselves at what a great leader he was I thought "what did he do?". He said a few speeches. The country was in shock - he filled the role of protocol. Accepted condolences, got to play cowboy, got to play victim.

Now I just hate the fucker.

[NotThatNolan]

33. Fitting that it took an act of God

to strike down the Bible-thumping president.

[KerryOn]

35. He isn't toast until they impeach...

He still has three years to screw this country up even more than it is, and then I'm afraid it will be to late. The only solution if he is not impeached is.... Ops can't go there...

[FlemingsGhost]

36. Maybe so ... but the PNAC agenda still lays in wait.

And on the off chance the Neo-Cons ever let power shift to the other side of the aisle, a DLC Democrat is not going to change a damn thing.

It's gonna take a revolution.

[Kingshakabobo]

37. He's 'O for 2 and in the bottom of the ninth for number 3 (Iraq)

2 strikes and two outs.


In other words, he's a fucking loser.

[RagAss]

43. Ladies and Gentlemen...it's Nixonian from this point on.....

[spanone]

44. God Willing. These people scare the living shit out of me.

It frightens me what lengths they might go to to retain power.

[jaysunb]

59. I soooooo agree with you !

When they talk about martial law in NO, I get chills, cause I think it may be "practice!"

[whalerider55]

45. dunno

you don't get rid of a cancer by x-raying the tumor. it takes treatment, painful, draining. it may take an operation, or several surgeries.

and the patient may die.

it has taken nearly 25 years for the GOP to run the ship of state aground. Even during the Clinton years, they controlled the House and Senate for much of the time. They have permeated every branch of government to a remarkable depth.

many of the competent professionals in the executive departments have retired or left in disgust.

the damage to the whole purpose and infra-structure of government has been profound and insidious.

it seems to me that the democratic survivors of this onslaught who have ascended to leadership are often badly coopted. for every welstone and bernie sanders, there are a lot of dlc'ers and libermans and bidens.

we need a generation of Paul Hacketts to rise up locally, and on the state level and then onto the federal level.

it will happen. it will take time.

i personally think that the bush whore parade has jumped the shark. but they still have a lot of ocean left to swim in; and until rove is indicted and surgically seperated from shrub, leaving that whiny little dry drunk corporate pimp sucking air on his own, polarization remains the pug strategy of choiced. they scorch the earth, and each time our short hairs get singed in the ensuing firestorm, our leadership goes lite on us.

if the people lead, the leaders will follow.
lead or get out of the way.
the opportunity is ours.

bush is now reduced to his true base- the "afraid to think" 35% of the country that would watch him bite the head off of a live pigeon and assume he was just hungry and likes chicken.

35% don't win you a race, unless you can't get the vote out for your people and your issues.

bush may be done, but like venereal disease, the infection he and his patronage munchkins have given to government will keep on giving for generations to come if we don't find the courage and leadership to "take the cure."

whalerider

[jaysunb]

60. Good Post !

:toast:

[callous taoboy]

65. LOL This line-

bush is now reduced to his true base- the "afraid to think" 35% of the country that would watch him bite the head off of a live pigeon and assume he was just hungry and likes chicken.

KICKASS!
:rofl:

[scarletwoman]

145. Oh yes, excellent post! Bravo!

The "infection" has been active for over 30 years now -- at least since the funding of right wing think tanks in the early 70s.

(In a broader sense, the fascist elements we see ascendent now have been lurking in the body politic for over 70 years, and many elements of malignant corporatism have been in place since the 1877 Southern Railroad USSC decision.)

The fundamental, essential problem lies with the level of consciousness in the group mind of the U.S. The infection has invaded the body politic from many fronts -- hate radio, corrupt politicos of both parties, and the endemic racism that has been a part of the American culture since the first massacres of native peoples by the colonists.

sw

[NJCher]

178. the 35 per cent

The "infection" has been active for over 30 years now -- at least since the funding of right wing think tanks in the early 70s.


Think that 30 years might have something to do with the 35 per cent loyal base? Thirty years to inculcate some perfectly horrendous people: shallow, no sense of values, just "it's all about me."




Cher

[whalerider55]

197. scarlet-

yeah. good analysis. it should come as no surprise that that the reagan/bush I/II years had as their guiding parameters the dismantling of the ideas and programs of the New Deal- a time when it was the government who stepped in creatively, humanely and sometimes unconstitutionally to bail america out of the hbole dug by corporate over-reaching and the massive cultural change brought about by the cultivated belief that you can get richer by manipulating paper; as long as that paper benefits my corporation, ergo me.


they hate the new deal. it shows government can work, and how it can work on behalf of a majority of americans.

whalerider

[jokerman93]

204. Wow

That's a broad perspective SW. Hope you can post more of this kind of thing. I think it's helpful for us to take an historical overview from time to time. That in itself is consciousness building - and nutrutious too!

;-) :thumbsup:

[scarletwoman]

206. Thanks. I used to post long, detailed overviews about this sort of thing

with some frequency back in my early days here at DU. It was easier then, when DU was smaller, to keep certain points and perspectives in the front of things.

I still try, from time to time, but I must admit I've felt worn out and discouraged for the last couple years here. I'd spend literally hours preparing a long post of what I considered to be essential information, only to see it drop out of sight within just an hour or two amidst all the chatter.

Now I just try for a pithy comment now and then, or an occasional nudge in the direction of the big picture if it looks like there might be some fertile ground.

Anyway, thank you for picking up on my post. I will endeavor to bestir myself to composing a larger essay on these matters one of these days, and hope that you -- and others who might find it useful -- will notice it.

sw

[jokerman93]

209. You're on! :-) n/t

[MrSlayer]

49. Even if the whole country hates him, he isn't going away anytime soon.

He's not going to resign and he's not going to be impeached. He still owns Congress and has 2 Supremes to appoint. He's just going to go about his business of gutting the country and looting the treasury and nothing is going to be done about it. As much as we want all of these bastards out of power we have over 3 years of Chimpdom left. With all the things they've gotten away with I don't see this as anything but a temporary setback for them. As the cream always rises to the top so too does shit float.

[Geek_Girl]

52. I live in the South in a Red State

Still see allot of W stickers and still here people strongly supporting him. All I can say is there are a bunch of dumb ass people that live around here.

[callous taoboy]

67. I do not see the same thing here in my red little town:

The shrub stickers are a rare thing anymore. And we're talking about a town where every third SUV had a flag, a W, a ribbon, and a stupid white schmuck behind the wheel just months ago.

[never_get_over_it]

55. Well if you think about it

the rest of his pResidency this will be an issue - it will take at least that long to get on the road to recovery in the affected area

This has also made it easier for us to speak up - if you think about the three/four biggest disasters - most visable the kool-aid drinkers have an answer or just don't care:


But 9/11 if you tell the kool-aid drinkers that he was warned and did nothing they look at you as if you're crazy

Not getting Osama - nobody seems to care - or they still blame Clinton for no getting him - boy don't you love it

Iraq - no WMDs, no connection to 9/11, no threat - kool aid drinkers either think it was the intelligence community that screwed up or that the world is a better place without Saddam

But with this one it is really plain and simple - even if the mayor and governor screwed up it took him FIVE days to get there - and then all we have to do is ask them - if there is a natural disaster here in our community do you really want to wait FIVE days for help!!! Or throw in guess we're on our own if something happens - sure made us safer didn't he - that should get them

[newscott]

57. Long term he'll be right beside

Buchanan
Nixon
Hoover

Just to name a few.

[Lifelong Protester]

170. Please add Warren Harding to your list..

the most corrupt practioner of cronyism in the line-up... and I do mean that irony.

[NewJeffCT]

193. I hope so

and, I hope Reagan joins them on the list, as he really inaugerated in the politics of hate with the nice guy facade up front.

[leftchick]

58. well not everyone

he still will forever have his 25% freeper bushbot base. But I totally agree with you on the Americans with functioning brains!

[Independent_Liberal]

61. Yup, he's going to be feeling nice and toasty very soon!

And I don't mean that in a good way!

:)

[gate of the sun]

62. I agree he will never live this down.

I think he is going down and so it republican party. I'm sorry it had to come at such a high cost for everyone.

[vickitulsa]

63. Well, I for one totally agree.

Think about it. There was a "tipping point" when Dick Nixon ceased to be believable, thus he was no longer believed. And his demise was over something as relatively "minor" (compared to the Katrina response disaster) as a burglary. He tried to cover it up, making his actions criminal; but essentially it was not a huge deal ... some will remember that it was often called "a third rate burglary." That was the one at the Watergate Hotel, when G. Gordon Liddy and crew broke into Democratic headquarters to get info from their office. Or something like that. We didn't really CARE ... it was just the LAST STRAW -- THAT's what it was.

(I'm inserting a rant warning here, instead of deleting the rest of this. Read on at your own risk. ;))

We'd HAD IT with Nixon and his flaky behavior and his arrogance and his disconnect from the American people -- and especially with his sneaky and no doubt illegal conduct of the Vietnam War. We'd had it with his LIES, his goddam lies, one after the other. We couldn't stand to see him come on the TV ... we didn't want to hear him speak because we just did NOT believe him any more -- if we ever did.

I see so many parallels with GWB. Only IMO GWB has committed crimes and misdeeds even more grievous than Nixon's. Some might say BY FAR. I think *I* would say that! As bad as the Vietnam War was -- and God knows it WAS BAD -- still Tricky Dick hadn't been the one who got us into that one. He hadn't lied and pumped the nation up, trying to justify mass killing when he knew the truth would never get the public to back him and support the war.

And in spite of the fact that a lot of freeper types are still claiming to support W and deny that he has done anything WRONG re the Katrina catastrophe, I don't think they are feeling very strong in their position. I have a feeling ... and it's just a feeling, yes, but a strong one. I think those Republicans and any others who voted for him and all those who have lied and stolen and cheated on his behalf are all wondering right now how they can either change their position without losing a helluva lot of face or else they might just choose to "exit stage left" and disappear from the scene before it gets even nastier than it is already.

I can't explain exactly why I'm having all these thoughts, but I do feel a Tipping Point has been reached regarding this president. He will become a pariah, and the "fear and loathing" of the people will increase until there starts to be a whining noise in the air, rather like the microphone feedback on Kanye West's mic tonight on the fundraiser ... only this time the interference will be the outrage of the American people, refusing to quiet down until something is done to get him OUT of office, OUT of power, and OUT from behind the desk where he has his finger on many buttons that could shake the world to pieces!

We'll see ... I know some of this COULD be wishful thinking on my part. Lord knows I WISH for these things!

But there's something else going on now. I feel it ... I sense it ... there's a rumbling under the ground beneath me -- and it ain't an earthquake! I think it's just plain old OUTRAGE. Americans have been sickening out on the entire corrupt political process in this country for at LEAST three decades now -- well, ever since Tricky Dicky, that's what I think. I remember how things were BEFORE then, and I've seen how they've changed. No one EXPECTS honesty and integrity anymore of politicians, yet we still keep HOPING, trying to find some people who really DO have our interests at heart and who are NOT in it just for the money and the power.

Time after time we've been disappointed. We're sick and tired of the two-party system where it's getting so hard to tell one side from the other -- at least when it's time for those we've elected to VOTE on bills in Washington. My brother calls them "Republicrats." So many are millionaires, Congress might as well be called "The Millionaires' Club" as well as "The Good Ol' Boy Club." There are a scant FEW who I believe keep trying to do some good for us citizens; but they don't get very far with the clear majority of sellouts overriding their every good move.

So we're SICK of it ... finally had it clear up to HERE with it. And this totally incompetent, malicious idiot in the oval office is just the culmination of everything that's WRONG with our government. Not only that, there's something eerie to me about the way this *natural* disaster called Katrina hit our country and then all the incompetence of this administration and W's political appointees in vital posts of responsibility cost so many more lives than had to be lost.

I'm certainly not GLAD it turned out this way, not by any stretch. I've even found myself in the past hoping things W did did NOT go terribly wrong -- like his war in Iraq -- simply because I didn't want to see people suffer. I was helpless to change things, so I hoped for the best. I STILL hope for the best in the recovery and healing to come in the Gulf Coast region and for all those human beings so profoundly affected by this tragedy.

But it's clear their suffering has been compounded and expanded due simply to W's cold and distant arrogance and his uncaring idiocy. The man didn't ever really CARE about this country -- I don't know why anyone would think he'd start NOW!

I'm sorry to rant like this, but I just watched the concert for Katrina victims; and for the first time since that hurricane came ashore, the GRIEF of it all hit me full force. I guess I'm finally moving past the shock stage, and I was afraid this would happen, that the sorrow would hit me at some point and rip me apart inside. I've been trying not to cry because I knew once I let go, the crying would swell and know no solace, no comfort. What has happened has done this to all of us, any of us who CARE. But I doubt George W. Bush has lost ONE WINK OF SLEEP over it all.

And I think Americans can SENSE this about him. MOST of us can, anyway. So I think it's OVER for him. Even if he isn't impeached and kicked right out of the White House on his bony butt, which might be hard to do with Republicans holding a majority in both houses of Congress. Even if we have to put up with three more long and miserable years of him continuing to fake being a president ... still I do believe he's toast in the eyes of most citizens of the United States.

The pictures of the disaster zone alone should convict him and convince anyone who sees them that the man is an utter FAILURE. And I honestly think many citizens of the WORLD are beginning to feel sorry for Americans, realizing that most of us do NOT want W to be our leader, no matter how the elections were decided. They may suspect the truth of his cheating, or they may believe he just fooled a great many people. But they know we Americans are not like him! We're not represented fairly by him, not at all.

Okay, rant over. I guess I should have just stopped after the first paragraph.

I'll go back and put a caveat after that one, so only those who care to hear me rant need read on. Hope that's okay.

[blue neen]

141. Beautiful rant!

:applause:

I also remember the ominous feeling of those Nixon years and how it seemed like everything came crashing down all at once. In reality, it took years of his "tricks" before it culminated in Watergate.

The same phenomenon is happening now. All the sins and corruption and greed that had built up and built up came over the levees along with Lake Ponchartrain right into New Orleans. The waters are now putrid with toxic chemicals, human remains, and sewage. The remains of the Bush administration are in that water too.

And that's what fouls the water the most.

[Lugnut]

176. Aww

[blue neen]

179. Hey.

I pledge my hatred of George Bush, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi, Barbara Bush, Jeb Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum, Tom Delay, Bill Frist, Michael Brown, Free Republic, Newsmax, Richard Mellon Scaife, Ken Blackwell, Pat Robertson, Coors Beer, Wal-Mart, and that Senator from Georgia who sounds like Foghorn Leghorn.

;-)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

192. Eggs cellent! Worthy of ova tions.

Similar ideas to yours have even hatched in the midwest.

One of my daily papers is a regional, with a very conservative readership. Today's letters were in three groups- a small percentage said the mayor, the senator and the governor should admit fault and apologize to the President. a larger percentage found fault with local, state, and federal authorities equally, and by far, the largest percentage blamed the president and his political cronies. (By my count, In excess of 65% of the letters published)

One thing that I like about this paper is that they try to publish the same percentage of opinions that they receive.

Great rant, though, well said!

[vickitulsa]

203. I like the sound of your local newspaper!

I don't read the Tulsa World, can't really afford to get the hard copy and you can't read its online version unless you pay for the print version. I'm pretty sure it tends toward the conservative, but Tulsa has long been considered the more "enlightened" and fine arts oriented of our state's two largest cities. Tulsa's not even that big, really -- around 400,000, I think, so not huge for a city. It has a history I talked about in a post once here at DU, a proud one of liberal arts and liberal thinking; but since it's located in the heart of the heartland, and in a state that shifted from being a staunchly Democratic one for many years to being now a Republican "gimme," I think Tulsa would be considered fairly conservative. Plenty of W stickers on the cars last year, but not nearly as many as some places (and many of them seem to have been REMOVED lately). And a LOT of Kerry stickers and signs were evident last year, plus some mocking Dubya... and those seem to have REMAINED.

One thing keeps coming back to mind when I think of the historical comparisons one might make of this president's standing with the people. This example isn't from "ancient" history, though, it's fairly recent.

Remember when Bill Clinton was elected president his first time, but both houses of Congress went majority Republican? And then Newt and his noodle-headed pals put out what became known as "the contract ON America." As in hiring a hitman to "take us all OUT." Hmmm, now that I think about THAT a bit further, it's what they've ALWAYS done, isn't it? Take us citizens OUT of the equation, except to pay a lot of taxes -- and then give tax CUTS to the rich and already-powerful, so they can concentrate the wealth even more and become yet more powerful!

The Repugs loved their majority power then, and they swaggered around and started doing all sorts of things that were gonna hurt the weakest among us. They wanted to mess with Social Security and enact a lot of other legislation to THEIR benefit, not ours; and they announced their intentions boldly, with some smug and very unseemly braggadocio.

At the time, I kept commenting to anyone who would listen that these guys were just plain MEAN. Mean-hearted, mean-spirited, cold, uncaring, and heartless bastards. And I thought this was so OBVIOUS.

Now, also at that time, Clinton's approval ratings were NOT very good. The opposition had already begun -- began the very first day he took office, in fact, I'm quite sure -- hatching and developing and revving up "investigations" and challenges of all kinds to Clinton's presidency and his every move. When he wanted to go after bin Laden, they'd start up a lot of yammering about "wag the dog," and unfortunately the movie came out about then and didn't help matters. Same with Bosnia and Kosovo -- and really with Somalia before them, though of course it wasn't Clinton who first sent our troops there, but W's daddy. I always thought that was a VERY rotten move, designed to saddle the new Dem prez with a messy war situation that could only go sour for him. WORKED, too, didn't it!?

But I still think that WJC would have done a LOT to go after bin Laden had he not heard such loud "wag the dog" outcries from the Repugs every single time he took any action toward that end. So in my eyes, those same Repugs should take the bulk of the responsibility for our NOT having got bin Laden BEFORE 9/11.

But about Clinton's popularity and the Repug majority in both houses of Congress ... I remember saying in 1994 when others told me Clinton would NEVER get re-elected for a second term two years hence, that they were wrong, that the sheer MEANNESS of the Repug majority in the Congress and their mean attempts to do harm to Americans would gag us all and Clinton would be re-elected in two years by a BIG margin!

Which is exactly what happened.

So I think there IS hope that Americans will have become so sickened by what not only Dubya but the majority Republican Congress has been doing for the last five difficult years, including especially W's effort to dismantle Social Security and his war in Iraq AND his handling of the Katrina disaster, that there will be a strong majority of Democrats elected come 2006. Those mid-terms, they can be very important!

My memory isn't the best, what with PTSD and all, so I don't recall offhand whether Dems got a majority in *both* houses of Congress in the second Clinton election year (that would have been '96) or just in one, but not only was Clinton re-elected quite convincingly, that election also definitely swept the Repugs out of holding both houses and therefore a stranglehold on US, the people. Now is my memory right on this, or am I just a befuddled old lady?

And all those who said Clinton would NEVER get re-elected had to eat their words, or at least their predictions.

So I'm reeeelly hoping that Americans will demand paper ballots or SOME kind of verifiable voting method, one in which recounts CAN be done if necessary, and then that they will speak their truth to power quite clearly in '06 and then again in '08, bringing down the Repug majority and all their evil plans. It will take a long time to fix the total MESS they've already made in our laws, our federal deficit, and the very structure of government already, but at least we could get STARTED on that!

It would be even nicer if a lot of those in power now could be indicted, tried, convicted and imprisoned, as well. I'm still looking forward to SP Fitzgerald's conclusions. Just because other news stories have knocked the Plame investigation off the front page doesn't mean Fitz isn't still hard at work behind the scenes.

Ya know, Nixon didn't get impeached. Not because he WOULDN'T have been impeached but because he knew damn well he WOULD have been, had he not resigned. Why else would he resign?

And if the people in America express their rage at W loudly and long enough now, there's no telling what could ultimately happen with regard to his fate. He's been cracking up rather obviously a lot lately, and the neocons could, as some here have speculated, simply try to put ALL the blame for their misdeeds onto him and then pack him off to a "healing institution" of some sort and replace him. I don't like the idea of Cheney in the catbird seat, either, but that's why we have to keep our minds open and sharp, ready to find a better solution, both in the voting booth and out of it.

It's at least a good sign that "Brownie" has been taken OUT of the picture in the Gulf Coast. They didn't outright FIRE him, but how effective could he be now? He's been publicly disgraced, even if Chertoff DID praise him even as he removed him from the Katrina recovery.

I think it's important that we hold their feet to the fire in every instance of Repug wrongdoing. But I also think it's critical that we do all we can to HELP in the recovery of the Gulf Coast and its citizens and in many other matters affecting us all. If Dems are seen demonstrating their caring and their effectiveness -- perhaps even outside the political process, then that will stand them in good stead when folks look back on how everything went down during this period.

One thing for sure. It can't mean anything GOOD for W and the neocons that his approval rating just sank to 39% in the latest poll. Below 40% for the first time since he took office. THAT's significant!

Oh, and I'm not sure what all the "egg" stuff was about, but my mother's name is "Ova," and we maternal types DO tend to care a lot about folks and nurture them whenever we find a way. :)

~VV

[Goldensilence]

210. right on

...great rant.... i hope this is a continuing feeling all over the country growing and spreading, mulitiplying and wroking it's way into a force that will for once bring about some form of change.

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[Inland]

69. "George Bush may not be perfect". And you are the SMART ONE?

Yeah, he may not be perfect. And he may not be one hundred feet tall, either.

But how could I ever tell, being blinded by my hatred of Bush, who has given me Iraq and a supporter who tells me that it's long term and that I should therefore "get over it." Hey, dude, teh fact it's long term is what makes it impossible to get over. The fact that Bush is a fuckup is what makes me hate him.

Unlike you and your republican friends who hate people for what they do in their bedrooms or for not going to church, I hate people for what they do to America and Americans. Bush is way up there in the deserved hate category.

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[Crazy Guggenheim]

98. No when are YOU signing up??

[Guaranteed]

104. You're a goddamned MORON. WE WERE ALREADY IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR.

And you wanted to start ANOTHER one?

3,000 dead Americans on 9/11. So what do YOU want to do? Send 15,000 troops in to get Osama, and send in 140,000 to get someone who had NOTHING to do with ANYTHING- AND CREATE ANOTHER ISLAMIC STATE?

We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars and tying up our troops on THAT stupid shit?

Where is OSAMA, you fuckwit???

[mzteris]

105. But YOU"RE not there, are you,

here chick chick chick chick.....

And no - I don't believe we WOULD be over there had Gore or Kerry taken their rightful place as President.

If this was such a "righteous" venture, then why did they have to lie their way into it?

[MissB]

107. Chickenhawk!

The whole idea of regime change was to help the people create the change, not stomp in there and fuck up the entire region.

*You* should be there, if you believe the United States should be there. Your poor brother shouldn't be alone.

Quick like a bunny. Go sign up.

[Old and In the Way]

113. Speaking of the military.....can we get your rank in the 101 Keyboarders?

Are you an officer or a grunt? I'm thinking a grunt based on your grasp of the facts.

Only a moron would champion an unethical and immoral war of occupation and would want his brother to remain in that godforesaken place, getting shot at. Or, maybe, he's a Democrat?

[JimmyJazz]

126. One word: Pinochet.

What's good for the middle east is good for south america, so put a sock in it. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[DoBotherMe]

127. Bush will eventually become a thing of the past too

And billions of people will rejoice.

[JimmyJazz]

136. was this a swoop and poop or are you still here?

g'head - were waiting for an answer as to how you can defend this genocide in New Orleans. Please. You have the floor.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

138. He's trying to "cut and paste" the talking points.

[JimmyJazz]

Crap. You mean he super glued his fingers together and we'll never

get an answer. :silly: It happens every time. :P

[Redstone]

166. Damn it. He kept at it, and I missed it?

I thought he'd get whacked after the first one. I neeed to stick around these threads a little longer.

Redstone

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[Crazy Guggenheim]

156. You can read? More than Dumble-U reads Al-Queda warnings??

[FourStarDemocrat]

163. Does he read padded resumes too? We're looking to replace th FEMA dork.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

164. LOL!!

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[Crazy Guggenheim]

154. Many Democrats criticized Clinton for NOT getting involved!!

[Guaranteed]

159. If I recall correctly, you Repukes were AGAINST Clinton's FLAWLESS

Kosovo campaign.

Remember the "wagging the dog?"

And this was when there was ACTUAL killing going on.

Oh, and by the way, hundreds of thousands of people have been dying for the past year in Sudan. Has Bush done anything to stop that?

[Autonomy]

139. .

If it would not have mattered if a Democrat won in 2000 or 2004, and Bill Clinton "sanctioned" regime change, then why didn't Clinton do it? I'll tell you, because a Democrat WOULD NOT have gone to war under the conditions that Bush was willing to jump head first into.

I will say this about supporting wars: Repubs would NOT support the Iraq War had a Dem been in office. We have our proof in the whole Bosnia/Kosovo affair. The Repubs tried to mess up our foreign policy any and every way possible, including bogus investigations.

[callous taoboy]

149. Your tax cuts are over-crowding MY classroom, jerk!

Forget Iraq, forget our standing with the rest of the world and consider for a moment what your "leader" is doing to public education. Like Iraq, Dimson charged into public ed. with guns blazing and never once considered what the outcome would be. Also, like Iraq, he did not go about it using the knowledge of professionals and now it is a fucked up mess. Go fuck yourself!

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[MissB]

78. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

At least you can spell, even if your logic sucks.

[mzteris]

82. brief as it may be........ n/t

[MissB]

83. Honestly,

it is the only time I really welcome people.

Sometimes I even add a rolling eyes smilie. :D

[Crazy Guggenheim]

80. When are you signing up to go to Iraq??

[Kali]

84. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAAA

That's great!! You are pretty funny. Good imitation of an ignorant blind freepturd! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

:rofl:

[DoBotherMe]

85. You're slowing down boy,

those are last year's talking points.

[Redstone]

86. Hope you enjoy the taste of the Granite Chiclet.

You loser.

Redstone

[Crazy Guggenheim]

87. Did you come here to find some WMDs??

[Old and In the Way]

89. Please, spare us the histrionics.

"You folks have become so blinded by hatred of the President that you don't even care to take a look at the facts behind the issues."

You mean, like the way you people treated Bill Clinton? How many Congressional investigations did we get in the 90's? Filegare, Travelgate, Whitewater. $70MM of taxpayer money...for nothing.

If we had an honest Republican Congress, George W. Bush would be breaking big rocks into little rocks now.

"Tax breaks have put more money in my pocket and I am definitely NOT in the top income bracket by any means." Who told you that? Rush or Sean?

[11 Bravo]

90. Please, no one alert on this clown for a while.

Every now and then, it's refreshing to be reminded of how astoundingly blind (and yes, stupid) some can be.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

91. Good idea.

[Old and In the Way]

99. I'm bored....I agree....let him play.

If he starts throwing his poop, he's going to have to be reprimanded though.

Really, his post is so predictable in the phraseology, the simple insults, and the faith-based reasoning. Is there an astro-turf, cut and paste post site for intellectually challenged Bushbots?

[MissB]

110. Sometimes I wonder if they leave them up

just to let us play with them. :shrug:

[mzteris]

112. welll......... if you're looking for SOMETHING to do

- and want to wreak havoc while you're educating some rwingnuts....

http://forums.delphiforums.com/crime4/start

See what they say about giving NO people debit cards. Can't trust "them" to do the right thing, doncha know - and shouldn't they all have to WORK for those handouts?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhh

[bunny planet]

92. Touching, so you're one of the ones who's with Commander Cukoobananas

until the bitter end eh?

Too mucking fuch, and we're the freakin' idiots?

[Guaranteed]

96. NOT ONE GODDAMNED THING HAS GONE RIGHT IN THIS ADMINISTRATION.

It is most definitely NOT us that are blind, Freeper.

Just thousands of dead Americans, as far as the eye can see. The entire world hates us now. Our federal and trade deficits are massive. The middle class' standard of living has gone DOWN. Gas prices have almost TRIPLED. Healthcare is totally unaffordable.

And Bush's buddies just get richer.

Those are the UNDENIABLE FACTS.

Are you fucking STUPID?

[Redstone]

97. Oh, god, everybody run! One of those brave "warriors" has

infiltrated us from his momma's basement!

Redstone

[Raksha]

100. So did tax cuts put as much money into your pocket...

...as the price of gas took out of it? Or anything even close? But then I don't exact a moran like you to be very good at math (or anything else).

[RetroLounge]

103. So when are you going to enlist

Chickenhawk fucktard...

RL

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[Crazy Guggenheim]

118. You are retarded! Just like your Presidunce!

[Old and In the Way]

119. Ace, we are against the war.

Don't you get it? You're the cheerleader for war. Your pResident needs you there! Why are you eating cheetos and typing on your mom's computer? Get a grip man...enlist tonight!

[Guaranteed]

120. Do it! Go kill Iraqis and get shot at for no reason.

Then, when you die, Bush can ignore your pointless "sacrifice" because he doesn't want to spoil his "beautiful mind" on such things.

As long as his buddies are getting those billions in YOUR tax dollars, he doesn't care.

[mzteris]

122. hey markie

we're not stupid ....... why would we sign up to fight this ill-begotten occupation of a foreign land in support of a usurper. One that has netted us more terrorists and lowered standing in the world. Jeopardized our own safety and security, not to mention putting us so deeply in the hole it's going to take the DEMS YEARS to balance the budget - again. Something the Repubs seem incapable of for all their talk of "fiscal responsibility".

[Guaranteed]

129. And I'll accept Bush's resignation whenever he has it written up. nt

[JimmyJazz]

116. aw - aren't you so cute?

:hi: oh and, aren't you so wrong? :P

[johnnie]

117. Another fish hooked

If it was up to me, people with their heads up their ass as far as yours would be able to hang here forever, but I don't make the rules.

"If the IQ for these posts was measured, you would all have a collective score of 25. George Bush may not be perfect but he is a heck of a lot better than Hollering Dean, FrankenKerry, and Hillary."

Live for today. "Hollering Dean"? that's the best you can do? That's a good one. "FrankenKerry"? That's one hell of an intellectual burn. "Hillary"? ...Yawn.

"Tax breaks have put more money in my pocket and I am definitely NOT in the top income bracket by any means."

No shit you aren't in the top income bracket, you are another idiot that thinks $100 bucks or so in your pocket a year is a great price to pay to watch this country go to shit. Just another sucker paid off with a few bones and thinks they are better off. Your "awesome" few bucks doesn't come close to make up for the extra money you are getting yanked out of your ass for things you paid 1/4 of the price for before your great "tax rebate". Wake up shithead.

I know you are reading this because you idiots can't help but read DU. You got suckered by georgie and his cronies and you are just too stupid to realize it. The funniest thing is that our "collective score of 25" IQ got you to take the time to sign up, wait and post here at DU just to get booted. Just another moronic repuke that fell for it hook, line and sinker. Welcome to the list.

[Old and In the Way]

132. Good rant, but

Mark is either just trolling for some laughs...or he's really been sucessfully programmed by Rush. The latter is a sad thing to see. Someone who doesn't understand the political/economic dynamics of reality and is pushing an agenda counter to his best interests.

If it's the former...oh well, whatever floats your boat.

[johnnie]

158. Well, I don't expect people like "Mark" to understand

I just went for it. There are a few like him that come here to say something they think is relevant so I was addressing all of them. And I also know that there are some people that have even gone as far as taking the time to set up irrelevant websites to talk about us here and I was addressing them also.

There has been a hell of a lot of trolling here lately which only goes to show that they are watching their ship go down. They are getting desperate and it shows. They are losing their grip and it is fun to dig it into them now.

[Gregorian]

121. People's Republic of America- That has a nice ring to it.

Sounds like something the framers had in mind.

[Autonomy]

124. How much of that tax break money did you take out of your pocket

and give to a charity for Katrina victims? I mean a real charity, not Pat Robertson.

[Guaranteed]

131. How much of it went to Bush's Saudi terrorist buddies just this week? nt

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[Crazy Guggenheim]

147. Well it's about time that "Homeland Security" let them in. AND

when are you signing up to go to Iraq?

[Guaranteed]

148. Oh, so now we're supposed to be nice to you?

It's YOUR MAN that did this.

Wake the FUCK up.

[Autonomy]

162. Then private charities have taken back SOME of what the

government USED TO handle. So your tax cut is already a bit less than you thought. I bet I could ask a few more questions and deduce you are paying more taxes now than you were under Clinton.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

130. Hey "moran"!! What happened to all the "terraist alerts" since

the elections? Did you get fooled by that too??

[Crazy Guggenheim]

135. Where did you go?

[callous taoboy]

140. self-delete

[FourStarDemocrat]

152. You're a brainwashed idiot, so stop wasting your time and ours.

[Canadian Socialist]

160. As I am not an "American"...

May I ask why the U.S. invaded Iraq... why was it possible for a Canadian VOLUNTEER unit to reach Louisiana before FEMA... why is it possible for Canada to provide medicine (which GWB says is not safe for seniors) to be sent to the devastated area? Shall I go on? Please, just answer these few, simple questions. Or, maybe, being Canadian, my I.Q. too low? Oh, wait a minute, how about Canada sending OIL so that USians don't have to conserve. Give me a fucking break. The sooner Canada cuts all ties to this corrupt government (U.S.A. not the people) the better./end rant

[high density]

161. Yet you don't provide any facts about the issues

The fact is that the federal government is the only entity in this country that has the resources to deal with a disaster of this magnitude, and the results of this badly lagged response have been piss poor. I'm not sure what a mayor of a city can do in this situation. He doesn't exactly have a whole lot at his command. The governor declared a state of emergency on August 26th, which seems like a nice way to broadcast a "please get ready to help us!" request at the federal government.

[tom_paine]

68. And HOW many times have we heard this?

Emperors do NOT go quietly.

Emperors DO NOT need "votes" (not when they control the machines and Law Enforcement is forbidden from inspecting the programming code)

Emperor DO NOT respect courts or law or legalities or Constituions.

Emperors do as they please when they please. If no one stops them, it's "legal".

The Handpicked Bushevik Successor (it probably won't be Jeb, although it wouldn't surprise me to see them simply abandon the Phony Mask of Free Elections, but I don;t think they will be so quick to do it now) will "win".

No one will stop them.

Therefore the "win" in 2008 is "legal".

The 2008 "election" is already over. They DON'T NEED VOTES.

[robbedvoter]

81. True. I gave up on "this will undo him" after 911.

I declared it after the first stolen election,Enron, Harken.
You are right. Who cares what we think?

[LynneSin]

72. I still say the war outweighs what happened in New Orleans

Bush was slow to respond to Katrina but lets face it - he didn't start it.

Whereas with Iraq - he started that based on lies. Katrina is sad but the war is even worse

[INdemo]

74. "George Bush will never live this Down"

The right wing media will keep Bush on his throne,...George Bush has turned too many near bankrupt buddies into millionaires ..so he will slide through........

[Disturbed]

88. " lets face it - he didn't start it"

The Silverspoon Sociopath cut the levee budget by 44%! This asshole and his criminal bunch should be prosecuted for criminal negligence regarding this. An illegal Invasion of Iraq and Occupation and lying to Congress is on top of the list but this N O Disaster is even obvious to the most ignorant, stupid or the oblivious.

[Griffy]

77. I agree.. because the media is turning on him...

I saw Brain Williams on the Daily Show... I think they finally see how dangerous it is and no amount of money will save their families or this nation if we dont start DEALING WITH THE TRUTH!

..and the shills stand out like a Barbara bush at the Astrodome!

the revolution has begun.. sept 24 BE IN DC !!!

[NewJeffCT]

194. I disagree on the media

somebody last week on DU (when the My Posts were down) said that he/she had worked in the media for several decades and the "powers that be" typically let the media off their leashes for a brief time during natural disasters, only to rein them in soon after.

So, while the media seems to be doing better (though, still are far from good), the real test is if it extends to anything beyond Katrina and if the tough questions on Katrina are still happening a week and a month and 3 months from now. i.e., if indictments of Rove, Libby, etc happen next month in Treasongate, will the media ask the tough questions, or will they give fair & balanced coverage with Karen Hughes or Pat Buchanan representing the Administration and Joe Lieberman or Jack Valenti representing the Democrats?

[Griffy]

201. perhaps.. but the tradgedy is just starting.. (body count still to come)

and the reporters that went down and watched people die in the superdome and CNN having to tell FEMA director that people were stranded (trapped) downtown will have an impact I dont think they will be able to control... did you see Brain Williams on the Daily show... the Emperor has no clothes.. the word is out.. the government cant stop the victims from talking forever, the media is swarming to speak to them, and CNN filed suit AGAINST this admin. to film the dead and oversee the recovery!

Will rove and company try to shut it up and distract, absolutly! But the same tricks are getting old, and I think this too massive to cover up.... they can twist Iraq stories easier, its gonna be alot harder to lie to people who KNOW otherwise... and they talk to others

I have seen many repug revelations here on DU recently...

.. and if this dont do it.... bush will screw up again... and more people will know, and the media will look foolish. Ultimately there is a growing MARKET for the TRUTH, and that will drive our message home!

[Ksec]

93. I agree

People in this country have had it with him. Even his own have turned. Karma always gets its man.

[The Traveler]

102. It is not the bad man in the White House that matters

It is the political philosophy he championed that must be revealed, at last, to be the insanely dehumanized ideology it really is. For Chrissakes, these guys are Straussians. Strauss believed he uncovered a secret code in the writings of Plato. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Yeah. That's right. Secret codes. In Plato. That only he could understand.

"So tell me, Mr. Strauss, do you take your megalomania straight up, or on the rocks?"

Bush can be frog marched out of the White House but the crazy people behind the curtain will just be another figure head. The Iraq quagmire, exploding deficit, mass outsourcing of skilled jobs, and now the Gulf Coast are all direct results of this political philosophy and the arrogance and ignorance required to sustain belief in it. Intentional or not, the effect is of a systematic assault on the middle and lower classes (which is to say, most everybody).

Unless this philosophy is relegated to the dung heap history reserves for bad ideas, this nation will not long endure.

[Autonomy]

106. Does this mean Cheney will 'officially' be president?

Am I supposed to sleep better at night because of this? ;(

[bvar22]

111. Not just Bush*!!!!

It is time to drive a stake through the evil black heart of the Republican Party.
It is time to throw the failed doctrine of "Compassionate Conservatism" on the trash heap of BAD IDEAS!!!

Bush* is on his way out.
The Republicans will try to save the Conservative "Trickle Down" Doctrine by scapegoating george bush*.
Don't let the Republican Party off the hook.
The Republican Party is to blame for the destruction of New Orleans, Anti-Labor and Anti-Middle Class legislation, the FAILED War on the Iraqi People, and the FAILED economy !





Republican GREED has now KILLED more Americans than Al Qaeda!

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[dsc]

114. I know you are right historically

but I wonder if you will end up being so in real time. Sadly it seems that some will defend Bush virtually no matter what, the difference here being that so far it isn't most. We will have to wait and see.

[juliaj193]

125. canadian view

being from canada i'm not as inundated with the same mass media as you guys... rather i get my bush information from more independant sources... from my perspective i'm surprised bush lasted 2 months let along 2 terms

[TrogL]

128. This is hardly new behaviour

He's killed oil companies, baseball teams...why not a city.

[Canadian Socialist]

133. As someone "outside"

I honestly don't think that this will happen. Unless the USian's get a fool-proof system (i.e. paper ballots like Canada has), these disgusting neo-cons will rule. I'm sorry to be a wet blanket, but I've heard way too many "this will destroy the BFEE" to believe anymore. Being the reluctant optimist that I am, I hope what you are saying is true, but, quite frankly, I think this group have their tentacles too deep into the government and corporations for this to happen.

[all.of.me]

134. yes, yes, yes

keep up the positive thoughts about it! i just said that in a thread of melodybe's. positive thoughts will manifest what we want!

[Mich Otter]

137. Bush is not the issue.

Bush cannot run again for the presidency. There is no reason for us to have any concern for how he has been doing. He is a failure who will serve out this term in office. He will be president until January 19, 2009. Nothing is going to change that.
The Republican Congress will never, under any circumstances impeach him. The Republicans are as culpable as Bush is for what has happened to America. The Republicans have empowered the Bush administration at every step of the way. It is the basic, failed beliefs of the Republican Party that we need to focus on pointing out to everyone we can speak with.
If a Democratic majority was elected to Congress today, there would be no impeachment. The Democrats have dirty hands for most of the failings Bush has dumped on America. The Democrats will not touch the unpopularity of starting impeachment proceedings.
America needs politicians that are much more Liberal to shift the debates in America towards putting people at a higher priority. Right now, the Republicans and the Republican-light Democrats are all working for the corporations, against the needs of workers and the poor.

[robbedvoter]

143. BFEE is the issue. And elections are history. Wake up!

[TankLV]

144. IhopeIhopeIhopeIhope!

[electron_blue]

146. I swear I've seen a post just like this every day for the last few months

Let's hope critical mass is indeed here at long last.

[TankLV]

168. Try the last 5 1/2 YEARS!

[Wapsie B]

157. I'd love to think that he's toast.

But the smoke and mirrors presidency hasn't been stopped yet. I won't believe until it actually happens. I mean good god when is the Plame scandal going to unfold? There are so many others it boggles the mind. But the chimpy cleanup crew rolls along.

[Graf Orlok]

165. I hope you're right.

[FreedomAngel82]

167. Hahahaha!

Yeah, freakin right. Give me a break. Hello! Republicans are in control! Do you think they're going to do like Nixon? Yeah fucking right!

[Lifelong Protester]

172. Dang! I missed the brouhaha....

I am pretty good at cloze tests (that's a reading fill in the blank by guessing from the context thing) and I appreciate those of you who saved and used quotes by whoever this moron was that riled the posters here. Day late, dollar short*

*Old phrase used by my mom, now mantra of FEMA.

[MellowOne]

173. Even Repubs I know

Are ciritcal of Bush's behavior. Damn, I wish something would come of it.

[roguevalley]

175. He and his party are toast.

[donheld]

177. Shut up!

Don't tease me like this.

[OKJackson]

208. Stand up!

Now isn't the time for people to get depressed and emotional that Bush is somehow undefeatable.

This moron has already been brought to his knees, recognize it please.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

180. you're exactly right.

nt

[Rowdyboy]

183. From you lips to God's ear.....

Here's hoping you're 200% right!

[lebkuchen]

184. He'll also talk about "hard work," the kind he has never done in his life

He'll continue to exploit 9-11 and then add NO to the mix. He'll continue on his mission to rout the evil doers and to staying the course in Iraq...

Bush's broken record has been rendered "unplayable."

[buddysmellgood]

185. You're right. It is his legacy. He surrendered a major Ameican city

and seemed to enjoy it. I think the message to America should be "Your city could be next."

[Toots]

195. Bush* is not running for anything so who cares?

It is the Republican in congress that we need to worry about and they are doing fine. they poll about evenly with Democrats and that fact sucks.

[mrcheerful]

196. Still one tiny problem

No matter what happens over this mess, GW still gets to appoint 2 supereme court judges. get ready for loss of more freedoms and the church taking over.

[mbee]

205. This would be a really, really good time for Patrick Fitzgerald to

hand down the indictments by the Grand Jury!

[Independent_Liberal]

207. I don't see him lasting another year in office.

I'm a hopeless optimist unlike some of the people around here.