This quote by Jefferson has gotten me through the Bush nightmare

[skooooo]

"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles."

Thomas Jefferson, 1798

[Miss Chybil]

1. Thanks. I think I'll make that my tag line for awhile. nt

[texpatriot2004]

2. I hope that we will honor Jefferson's words. n/t

[txindy]

3. Elizabeth Edwards posted that at DU right after the election

Asking us not to give up faith. Yes, it did help. My patience is wearing more than a bit thin, anyway, though.

[Radio_Lady]

6. OT: What has happened with her breast cancer treatment? Any

local papers covering it at all?

[txindy]

26. The M$M and I parted ways a while back

So I'm really not certain. But I know one place that you will definitely be able to find out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=257

:hi:

[Radio_Lady]

28. Thanks a bunch, txindy -- I'll try to pursue it on that forum!

[Radio_Lady]

4. Maybe Jefferson is right; I'm going to be patient until 2008.

I've never heard this quote before, but I value it tonight.

[skooooo]

8. How about 2006?

We can get the Congress back, or part of it.

[Radio_Lady]

22. Yes, we plan to work locally in Oregon in 2006.

I think our Republican Senator Gordon Smith will be up for re-election, but we're waiting until after the holidays to get geared up for what's going down...

My husband worked for Al Gore, then for Howard Dean, then for John Kerry. We were devastated when the Democrats lost. What a nightmare!

[Terre]

33. No, he's up for re-election in 2008

Still a ways to go yet.

[electropop]

34. We didn't lose.

Bush stole it again.

[Radio_Lady]

37. Yes, I agree. However, the result is the same... I've grieved enough for

this.

[Paradise]

41. Amen! n/t

[valerief]

5. Jesus will come in time. If we're patient enought. --Condi.

[skooooo]

12. unfortunately, things take time to change in signicant ways....

...unless your leader starts committing genocide on international television.

[niyad]

17. did she REALLLLLY say this??

[valerief]

31. Yes, last week. I may not have it exactly right, but

you can find it somewhere on the web. It was when she visited Alabama.

[niyad]

7. I admire jefferson, for the most part, and I admire the sentiment, but, as

a practicing witch, I find it just a bit offensive.

[skooooo]

10. lol..

really a witch? wiccan ? voodoo?

[niyad]

14. really a witch, yes.

[skooooo]

18. cool..

i'm hoping the voodoo spirits that Bush disturbed in NO with his idiocy will help bring some justice about.

[niyad]

19. I know--that was discussed in a thread a few days ago. this could get

quite entertaining, as far as bushie goes. the vodun priestesses are really something to behold in action!!!

[skooooo]

21. you've seen them in action?

cool. I remember going to a "voodoo" shop in NO some years ago. I really don't know much about it all, but it's mysterious and fun to think about a little.

[Mojorabbit]

38. Same here eom

[noahmijo]

11. he meant the evil witches not the good witches like you

:)

[niyad]

24. are you familiar with the Rede? as witches, we abide by this single rule,

"An it harm none, do as thou wilt"

[noahmijo]

29. No truthfully I'm not entirely pardon my zinger

But I always believed that witches have a deep respect for nature and as a Buddhist I can't help but look at such people as allies. :pals:

[Witchy_Dem]

46. Ditto

[tk2kewl]

9. I just hope it doesn't take another decade...

that is my biggest fear... they continue to get away with it and steal another election before it gets ugly enough for people to take back their country.

[annabanana]

13. I love that........

and I believe it. But I will continue to fight like hell to keep touch-screen voting machines out of my county!

[wtmusic]

15. This one from Adams has me worried

"This is the established order of things, when a nation has grown to such an height of power as to become dangerous to mankind, she never fails to lose her wisdom, her justice and her moderation, and with these she never fails to lose her power." - Autobiography

[skooooo]

16. Well, if we can't use our power wisely...

...we don't deserve to keep it, I guess.

[orpupilofnature57]

20. Thomas Jefferson saw Halliburtons crimes in 1816

I hope we crush in it's birth aristocracy of our Coined corporations, which dare already challenge our government to a challenge of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. THOMAS JEFFERSON 1816

[skooooo]

23. oh yeah, Lincoln said similar things, I believe

[whalerider55]

25. yeah, jefferson

the midwife of the states rights movement. i recollect that the context of his quote had to do with his loss to Adams for the Presidency after Washington retired. He spent his four years undermining Adams, whos volatile style didn't need much help.

read the recent pulitzer prize winner, Founding Brothers. good inside look at how the inside game immediately after the establishment of a federal government, played by the patriots of the revolution, set the stage for the civil war; you can even see the bush administrations rooted in the story.

shheesh quote. successful president he was. probably also a disengenuous, pathological self deceiver and racial hypocrite.

but the boy could write. it's a shame there weren't videos back then, because i'd've paid big bucks to see ADams argue a point.

whalerider

[skooooo]

27. how is the bush admin reflected in the story?

if you care to share

i should read that

[whalerider55]

30. in several ways...

the establishment of the dichotomy between states rights versus a stronger federal role occurred literally in the falling out of Adams and Jefferson.

this multi-generational conversation has become a dialogue with political legs several time during the history of our country; it underscores the whole wave of tax-cutting initiaives that moved east from california in the seventies and eighties. Jeffersons greatesat fear was that a strong federal government would usurpe the role of the local government; adams saw that a strong federal government could create a national economy and ultimately affect the quality of life all across the governemt. This unresolved set of issues remains so because the founding brothers wouldn't touch the issue of slavery, and Hamilton had quicky set about erecting a treasury had the potential to closely align the government with the corporate interests and financial institutions that were an anathema to the southerners,who idn't think it was entlemany to count their dollars nor to stint on spending them for parties, horses, linens, and feeding slaves.

the irony is, the bushies make believe they are the deeply conservative states rights, and have used their influence to pull back the kind of reasonable corp-orate oversite that would then enable them to rob the world blind... silvedrado, harken, etc,.

somewhere out there in ther lobby of the heavenly Hilton during a convention of dead presidents, adams and jefferson arew crying in their beers and mutting what have we wrought. we should never have disagreed, we should have left a single uniform point of view.

whalerider

[kansasblue]

32. reign of witches That's what we got.

[stevedeshazer]

35. That is sooooo great

You made me smile. :)

Thank youooooo skooooo.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Yes

That is a wonderful quote. Thank you for sharing.

[fooj]

39. I like the sound of that!

Peace.

[Hamlette]

40. I love this one from Clinton

There is nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by what's right with America.

[ThomWV]

42. Patience My Ass ....

As the two buzzards sitting in the tree are supposed to have said, "Patience my ass, ....."

[pippin]

43. Sorry, As Someone Who Supports Witches and

Wiccans I don't like the reference. Jefferson lived in an era when witches were demonized. What we have today are the real demons, so I would characterized this as "the reign of demons."

[spooked]

44. So THAT'S what the W stands for!!

It makes perfect sense now!

[wryter2000]

45. Thank you for that

That helps.