How will history view Bush?

[Fountain79]

I'm a student of history, to me it's where things make sense. Often it has intrigued me how Presidents can be viewed quite differently in history than they are actually viewed at the time. I think Lincoln is a definite good example of that. The man led this country through the most tumultuous time in our history and was not highly regarded barely winning an election. I personally don't think Bush has done a good job in his presidency but I wonder if history will judge him differently? Any thoughts?

[joanne]

1. Worst President of all time

[Fountain79]

4. but...

Like I pointed out, some at the time of Lincoln would have made that same statement...

[ShockediSay]

47. some at the time of Lincoln?

But not most of the people most of the time, as they now say, Bush is the worst ever!

[Melodybe]

30. Worst President Ever!

Fascism and America just do not fit, he will be a stain on our country's history.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. an old adage, history is written by the winners

so if they win, bush will be better than St Reagan, if they loose... well Hoover and Coolidge and even Rutherford B Hayes will be seen as far better than Bush... heck even Nixon...

[Porcupine]

39. Survivors. Nature bats last and she's swinging for the bay

with hurricanes and climate change.

If a record of our culture survives climate change and the Peak Oil Dieoff the word "Bush" will bye synonymous with dangerous fool the way "Brutus" means treacherous friend.

[Melodybe]

48. History is also found in art.

The art of a culture is very telling of their society's structure.

[OrlandoGator]

3. History will be extremely unkind.

The effects of this administration will reverberate for decades. There has been nothing positive to come from this administration in five years.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

20. try to sell that kool aid somewhere else

enjoy your stay....

[librechik]

25. stirring rhetoric

wake me when you begin

[OrlandoGator]

26. How can you promote an increase in gov't revenue with a $413B deficit?

What good is an increase in revenue when your costs far overshadow it?

It's as if you people can't add.

[Sarojin]

5. Supreme Leader of the free world

since he'll declare martial law and implement the Newspeak system.

Or we can get him out of office...

[Joebert]

6. They're destroying the future

We may never get to find out.

[Brightmore]

7. Good question

And it would be easy to say he will be remembered as the best or worst president ever. Look at Reagan....somehow history has written him as the one who "won" the Cold War. Truman was very unpopular and now he is regarded as one of the best presidents of the 20th century.

I guess we probably won't know for at least 15-20 years.

[baron j]

8. He'll be unpleasantly recalled with much derision and disgust.

He will be known as the worst ever illegitimate and illegally installed President. And I'll make certain that I tell that truth to every, nephew, neice, and child I know.

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[Bozita]

10. Enjoying your stay?

I am.

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[Bozita]

29. "Im not a band wagonner but an American."

WTF?

We're all commie Cuban socialist Vietnamese admirers of the bankrupt USSR. We wanna bust the bank, just like the Russkies.

How about you?

[OrlandoGator]

32. Goddamnit, use the encoder ring when the Freepers are around!

Have you already forgotten our protocol?

By the way, CHAIR LASER COMPHREHEND WIND CHARIOT.

[devilgrrl]

11. Thank you mods

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[MisterP]

15. weaping as we speeck

[Brightmore]

13. What do the freeptards say?

ZOT!

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. taking bets on how long this dumbed down freeper

manages to stay here...

[obxhead]

12. This is tough.

correct me if I'm wrong, as you are the history student....
My experience with history is that some (much) of what we know is based on speculation from vague recollections and unwritten accounts. A lot of history has large gaps that are filled with guesses.
In this day and age it is hard to escape documentation on you f*@# ups, especially when there are 900 channels of nothing on. All the video, blogs, newspaper articles/editorials has got to change the way that history will be written.
Basically, we might see more absolute truth in our history books of 2100 AD.

[Fountain79]

17. sigh....

So private journals, newspapaer articles, written information aren't valid enough for understanding of history? All that you have mentioned is still up for interpretation, just like the artificats that historians use now. When I say student of history, I mean that I still study it. I have one b.a. in it and one masters in it.

[obxhead]

21. as I said

Correct me if I'm wrong. History was never my strong suit. :) It was just a thought.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Journals and all of that are knwon

as PRIMARY SOURCES, it is just that elite history usually does not pay attention to them...

[Seabiscuit]

18. Far, far less kindly than the media portrays him.

Not one kind word. Not one.

Damning. Just plain overwhelmingly damning.

Worse than Hitler. Worse than Stalin. Worse than the worst President ever. The worst of all time.

[Fountain79]

22. hyperbole

Jon Stewart put it best when he said, "Stop comparing people to Hitler! It demeans you, it demeans your opponent, and quite frankly it demeans Hitler!"

[Seabiscuit]

42. Stick around and read the history books. Bush ain't done yet.

Much as I'd love to stick a fork in him.

[Brightmore]

24. Worse than Hitler and Stalin?

How so?

[glugglug]

28. Bush = satan

Some good arguements here, I highly recommend the book:

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

[Seabiscuit]

41. Stick around and read the history books. Bush ain't rthrough yet.

[Erika]

19. There is much doubt if he was elected or stole the presidency

in the RW globalist theme. He was praised at one time for going into Afghanistan. It will also be noted he has not captured OBL.

He will primarily be noted for reducing our standard of living. He, alone, has hurt the American worker more than any other president.

His war on Iraq will be shown as imperialism and the drain of precious American lives.

He will be hated for all time.

[charlie]

31. Well, one thing's for sure

There's a mountainous audio-visual record of the man. Watching that syntax-mangling doofus struggle to express a single lucid thought is going to be a head-scratcher for historians born after his terms.

[obxhead]

36. exactly

[moof]

33. There isn't going to be any more history, he intends to kill us all

did you not get the memo or do you not how to read and understand bush* speak ?

[Mein Bush]

34. Last, not worst, President. Prehistory awaits us all! n/t

[The Traveler]

35. Tragically, it is very likely

that history will not be penned by an American. The Union is on the ropes right now. We still have resources to draw upon, but clearly we are rudderless. Our enemies grow stronger. We grow weaker. Our allies do not trust us. The world knows we are lead by incompetent bunglers.

We are exposed to jeopardy, now. Unless the correct decisions are made and expeditiously implemented, we are likely to fall apart. And, clearly, we cannot trust these fools to make the right decisions.

Trav

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. My brother in law and I have at times taken bets

how long until the union disolves... I have given it up to ten years max... but I still hope we can remain together

[Wabbajack]

37. If the neocons stay in power

100 years from now...

"At 6'5 with long golden hair Bush was our tallest, hottest President who's sweat could cure hangovers..."

[benny05]

40. Pictures and captions sometimes say more

[HEyHEY]

43. My dad puts it well

And he is a member of the Canadian Conservative party.

"He will be remembered as the biggest mistake the people of that country ever made."

[neuvocat]

44. Ok, I'll admit to being biased but...

there is no way to see him differently other than being grossly incompetent and hopelessly corrupt. But if you want to get a better idea of what this period in history is all about, it is probably better to take a look at the media.

[MsConduct]

45. bushco rewrites history on a daily basis. By the time they're

finished he'll be a Viet Nam war hero, defender of all Americans rights, savior of the entire free world, and the only human to save the universe. Uh, you want to rephrase your question?

[Birthmark]

46. Let's just make a little list

- Won first term in Electoral College, based upon a bum decision from the US Supreme Court

- Won second term by barely winning in Ohio

- Stock market flat

- Declining standard of living

- First President in at least 40 years to have the "Participation Rate" in the labor force decline

- First increase in infant mortality rate in US since prior to 1960

- Presided over worst attack on US in our history which he responded to witht the bare minimum necessary

- Involved us in a war in Iraq, founded upon bogus information

- Presided over worst natural disaster in our history which was then compounded by his Administration's bungled response

- Presided over the biggest budget deficits in US history

- Presided over the largest trade deficit in US history

- Presided over the dismantlement of our industrial base (very important)

- Presided over the largest rollback of civil rights in a long, long time; if not ever

Need I go on? I can if necessary.

His positive achievements elude me - as they will future historians. Bush is easily the worst President in American history.

[demzilla]

49. I think we can safely say

that this depends upon the outcome of Iraq more than anything else. Vietnam forever tarnished Lyndon Johnson, despite his Great Society programs. Bush, of course, has no great programs, nor is he a "great communicator" like Reagan or even Clinton. He did not lead a shift in national consciousness or values. He is essentially a place holder who had his high point following Sept. 11, 2001, after which it was all downhill.

He will likely be recalled as a divisive figure, who entered office by questionable means, and who blew countless opportunities post 9-11. In the end, if Iraq turns out to be the failure that many expect, he will likely be rated as a poor president, down there with Grant, Harding, Buchanan, and the like. I think the best he can hope for is to be seen as a fair president, the Calvin Coolidge of the 21st century, though without Cal's wit and with damage done to the country in a number of ways.

I can say that, from the perspective of my lifetime, trying to be as dispassionate as possible, he is the worst I've seen, and that includes Nixon.

We might one day see a George W. Bush Elementary School, but I doubt they'll be naming airports after him, and certainly not a college!

[Frederik]

50. Worst president ever

Most decadent, most corrupt, most incompetent. Worse than Nixon. I'm sure of it.

[Fountain79]

52. exactly

He's a racist, he fought an unnecessary war, his generals are incompetent. Also hasn't been successful in one thing that he did before this.

[tocqueville]

51. US perspective not enough

To put it roughly nobody besides freepers loves Bush if you take the whole world

It's very interesting because (with the exception of the English speaking countries or countries like the Scandinavian ones or Holland where TV subtitles and a lot of people understand English to a certain level) a lot of people don't really understand what he says.

They see a clown and they read in the newspaper that he says no to Kyoto, no to the International Tribunal, cuts social security for Americans and lies on WMDS. The Katrina story doesn't come as a surprise, they didn't expect better. It only shows what they secretely already knew, America is a myth.

If you compare with Kennedy or Clinton - people didn't understand them better - the image is overall positive. What speaks is their actions and their general image.

Bush is considered as a dangerous clown. Reagan was considered as a nice clown, specially towards the end.

What amazes people in Europe is that a guy like Bush can be elected at all. Not because more or less dangerous conservatives cannot get into power in Europe (Berlusconi, Haider), but the difference is that those guys can at least .... talk. They have "style".

Bush has no style. He is not even a good cow-boy. He is just pathetic.

And that leads to two following questions :

why did the forces behind him chose such a pathetic figure ? Couldn't they put something better to the public ?

HOw come that about 50% of the Americans are morans ?

[robbedvoter]

53. "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead." GWB

He said it as merily skipping towards "zero people on earth"