Good always wins over evil

[HEyHEY]

think of that whenever you get down about the events of recent times. Hitler, Louis the 16th, the reign of terror... full house. It all ends.
Don't worry, be happy.

- Cheers'
- J

[Melodybe]

1. yes it does

kicked and nominated

cause the wheel just keeps on turning

[applegrove]

2. Hold onto that.

[HEyHEY]

3. I'm telling ya, grove...it's true if Hitler was thwarted...

So too will be Bush

[applegrove]

21. The fact is the good doesn't always win over evil. There are people

who have been victims of crimes and see their lives destroyed or diminished and there is nothing that they get out of it that betters their lives..they just live a life different than the one they had before.

I don't think the people who lost parents or children or loved ones in this - in the Stadium or outside it - would agree that somehow they can "win out of this".

Decisions were made for reasons particular to the WH, and things were let go for particular reasons. They may never pay.

But I'll agree that there is a great amount of happiness to be living a good life. Happiness that evil never knows. That's just the facts.

[HEyHEY]

22. I disagree

You are talking about adversity, not evil

[Qibing Zero]

24. That's what I meant about the vagueness.

Good and evil are just concepts, and different ones depending on who you talk to.

[applegrove]

27. Now who is being vague? Apparently our words have no meaning.

[Qibing Zero]

30. No, it's just that you can't use them in the way the OP is

This isn't a discussion of morality. When talking about society and government, we're talking about creating or abolishing laws for the good of the people. Abiding by the law does not make you 'good', and breaking the law does not make you 'evil' (assuming those concepts even exist).

Not only that, but by using morality you're discounting the real problem. Morality is relative. If concepts like right and wrong (or good and evil) do exist, whose right and wrong do we use as our base? Treating people as good or evil is part of what has led to the problems we face today (just look into the deadly mix of church and state in the past).

[applegrove]

32. I agree we need to not fall into the trap of thinking like black & white

freeper-patsies. But that still doesn't mean that there is not evil in the world, or the WH.

Just the fact that Bush's followers see themselves & him as all white light is evil. Not because there are not actual saints in the world, but because Bush & his cabal are not in any way near being one of them.

People are being controlled and divided by giving them different doses of fear. That is wrong. That is sociopathic. It is tribalism. It is bad information. They are being sold a bill of goods that they will have to pay for in the end. They are in a cycle perpetuated by the people in the WH. They are taught not to think like adults because doing that will help people who are rich & power-hungry get more rich and power-hungry. Creating animosity and enemies where there are none. They undo community and democracy - the only two things that make modern life any better than the old days. Their leaders covet a world where there was wast inequality and very little choice for the majority of people. All types of good information are only for those few who deem themselves the only ones competent for power. Bad information is for everyone else.

That is evil.

Think about it like good information or bad. They deliver bad information so they can dominate the markets. Adam Smith himself didn't think markets could work that way. And he is right. It isn't about free markets. It is corporate welfare & privilege. And it will lead to more and more war. Which has the point of keeping the markets going for the rich at the same time de-powering people and all the things that help them make the better, non-consumer decisions in their lives. It is about making the little people pay the costs for war & inflation while the uber-elites sacrifice nothing.

[Qibing Zero]

33. The problem is

They, of course, think they're the ones on the side of good. They think they have the absolutes, and they know what's good for everyone else. They don't believe in freedom. That's why this is dangerous - not because we are good and they are evil.

Personally, I think what they're doing is horrific. I think all of the things you mentioned are just terrible, and that we should do something about it. Does that make them evil? To us, perhaps, but not to them. They may also use the same 'good always wins over evil' to reassure themselves that all of us out there expressing ourselves against what they're doing are really the evil ones and that 'good' will trump us.

That's the problem with morality. =/

[applegrove]

34. They are evil. Some of them know what they are doing. And their

followers should be questioned, at every parking lot, at every line-up in the big box store, at every church service, in every office, on every street corner...why do you think your leader is all white light? Why do you fall for his doses of fear? Why do you let him teach & promote hate to your kids? Why do you let him diminish the country and the power of democracy? Why do you think he will protect you - when your kids have a greater chance of dying from environmental decay than from a terrorist? Why do you insist on accepting bad information? Why do you let your leaders lead you into adolescence and teach you not to feel, let alone think.

[HEyHEY]

29. Well, Evil , no matter what is the medium of bastards

[applegrove]

26. I was talking about crime victims, and victims of purposeful FEMA

diminishment. Both of those involve evil.

What else is making FEMA a big 'experiment in incompetence' to allow private corporations to take over things that have already been prov-en to work best as a public good - but evil?

Look at what the independant religious leaders are writing about.

[applegrove]

16. Here is a repost from DeepModem Mom from yesterday:

"Shelter " Real courage is when you know you're licked before you beging but you start anyway and see it through." I may not have Harper Lee's words exactly right, as recited by Bruce Willis on "Shelter from the Storm" tonight, but, through my tears, they brought me a peace I've not felt in a long time. The spirit of the concert may mean, as I hope it does, what Melodybe posted: that we are going to win.

But these words helped me realize that if I die before we do win, I will consider my life well lived because I stood with the artists who participated in the concert tonight, and with you here. Jack Nicholson quoted from Louis Armstrong, that the music of New Orleans and the Delta was "music played by people who've lived." We've lived, my friends, because we have compassion in our hearts that the other side can only talk about. And we neither pretend to be perfect, or expect others to be. Unlike the other side, most of us have made many mistakes, and we know it. That's what it means to be human.

I watched the concert tonight with a cat I rescued from a shelter, asleep, and safe, in my arms. I had loved ones nearby, in person and on the phone, all with tears in their eyes listening to Randy Newman and Neil Young and Kanye West and watching the images on the screen of human suffering, compassion and courage. My computer, my line to you guys, was across the room, the photoshopped picture of GW and GHW fishing in flood-ravaged New Orleans newly taped to my printer. I realized I was richer than anyone on the other side.

What a poor life they really live, dedicated to keeping what's theirs and accumulating more. Voting only to cast a ballot for the candidate who promises the lowest taxes. Posing -- posing as holier than thou, more macho than thou, more American than thou. They're not artists, or lovers of life, in all its splendid variety. Theirs is a limited and miserly existence.

I want us to win; I hope for it, work hard for it, as we all do here. But for the first time tonight, I felt the peace of knowing that being on our side in an ageless struggle might have to be enough. Martin Luther King said, "I may not get there with you, but I have seen the Promised Land." For him, living his life on the side of justice for all was enough.""

[Qibing Zero]

4. Too vague for me.

Not to mention the assumption of 'good always winning' doesn't save us from the fact that millions die, and out from the ruling class not much later comes the next tyrant.

[HEyHEY]

5. He, sunshine...that may happen

But, good does win.

[Qibing Zero]

7. Which means what exactly, if history continues repeating itself?

If you let it happen, just because you feel the spirit of good will beat the spirit of evil in the end, aren't you to blame in part? I mean, you could have stopped it when you first saw it, right?

Don't you think we should work not only toward removing the problems, but toward preventing them from occuring in the future as well?

[Melodybe]

10. History does repeat itself, but society always moves forward

[Qibing Zero]

12. It doesn't do so on it's own.

Can you really just spectate while horrible things happen, in the hopes that someone else (or some unseen force) will push through in the end?

[HEyHEY]

11. our society wants instant results

But, History has shown in times of great repression that god wins.

[Qibing Zero]

14. At the cost of how many lives?

We have to at least try to do our best. Complacency is what got us in this situation in the first place.

[HEyHEY]

15. That's the overall point I'm making

I'm not saying we need to be apathathetic.., I'm just saying..chill we'll win

PS: that's "Good" wins

[Qibing Zero]

19. Actually,

I think we need every last bit of fear of losing to drive us to the goal. That doesn't mean going insane about everything, but it does mean we should gather our resources and take the chances as they come.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

8. It is really true. When I was watching the Columbine massacre,

they showed the kid with 4 bullet wounds to the chest and I said "God, please let this child survive, please let good triumph over evil". That kid, lived. I am not saying that evil does not take it's victims, but, Good will always win the war, not necessarily the battle.

[MsConduct]

6. Thanks for the reminder. I've been having a HARD time believing

that since Nov 2000.

[KitchenWitch]

9. Very true

Thanks HEyHEY...I sometimes do forget that.

[Melodybe]

13. As long as these assholes don't blow up the planet we win.

[Alamom]

18. Great Point. n/t

[OneBlueSky]

17. very true . . . although there's often suffering along the way . . .

and in this day and age, the destructive power available to those engaged in evil pursuits is so massive that they have the ability to literally erase life on the planet before good can get its foothold . . .

[Melodybe]

20. I thiink that over population is going to kick us in the ass

I just think that lots of people are going to die from global warming and the weather.

We are filling up the Earth too quickly, it can only last for so long.

[applegrove]

23. Which is why Bush's "faith based" donations of poverty instead of

health based ones, or girl-child education donations are criminal.

[Borgnine]

25. Full House?

Granted, Dave Coulier was annoying, but I wouldn't really call that show evil.

[HEyHEY]

28. EEEVIIILL!

[tocqueville]

31. Louis the 16th wasn't evil

in reality he was a good King but weak. He abolished slavery and torture. Which was not little in those times.

They cut his head because he was a symbol.

The French Revolution would have won anyway. A solution would have been to give him some honorary role.

All historians and the majority of the French agree on that today.

[ModerateLee]

35. Do you really think that?

Why do you think good ALWAYS triumphs over evil?

[HEyHEY]

36. Historically it has