4 years later, one has to really admire Osama Bin Laden

[mopaul]

he's the only man ever to supposedly attack the mighty united states and get away with it scott free, now that's pretty admirable in anyone's book. bush doesn't even mention his name except on very rare occasions in regard to 9/11, but the 'dead or alive' aspect of the story is cold as yesterdays cream of wheat.

the mighty u.s. has blown up a lot of real estate, a lot of old women and children, lots of insurgents and innocents alike, and osama is STILL OUT THERE laughing at us. making bush look like a total loser, but never saying it aloud.

bush can appear before thousands of grunting and screaming soldiers over and over again, crowing about staying the curse etc., but the fact remains, the perp walked off into the sunset, uncaptured, four long years and 2000 dead g.i.'s later.

if one wasn't a complete republican hack, one might call this FAILURE.

[Wetzelbill]

1. I wouldn't say admire, but you really have to respect what the guy can do

He's a worthy foe. Sammy bin Laden has thoroughly outclassed Bush for several years now. Embarassingly so. He's still a threat in many ways. Al-qaeda isn't a giant monolith, but it is a decentralized menace. Spread to over 70 countries since 9-11. Terrorism has gone up so much that the State Dept. doesn't issue their yearly terrorism report anymore because the numbers make this administration look very bad. He's not to be taken lightly, that's for sure. One has to wonder, how and why he has never been caught or killed. He is a convenient PNAC excuse to fight theater wars, but, it's shameful that we don't have much of an effort to catch him going on right now. We do, of course, but political problems with Pakistan, intelligence problems, troops bogged down in Iraq, Porter Goss weakening the CIA etc. We are stepping in the opposite direction on this thing. Bush is doing and has done to intelligence and other aspects of Homeland Security the same thing that he did to FEMA. And, we see how well that's worked out.

[mopaul]

2. exactly, the FEMA formula for failure

appoint a bunch of loyalists and hacks and go to great lengths to make it APPEAR that you are really doing something, then when the shit hits the fan, play the blame game.

not a good system.

[Prodemsouth]

5. Admire..!! Respect..!! with bin Laden. That will be on the freeper

board. "DU loves bin Laden!" Thanks!!! I can hear a conservative talk show host quoting the thread opener. You should know by now they never get around to discussing the full point you are trying to make here. You guys could come up with a better post and use better words to make your point. Poor word choice. I have no admiration or respect for bin Laden.

[mopaul]

7. screw rush limbaugh, you know what i mean

let them use this headline, it only points out bush's glaring failure

[Prodemsouth]

11. Sorry I disagree your headline suggest bin Laden should be

admired. The message points out Bush's glaring faliure. I am suggesting you could have found better words to make your point. Most people when hearing or reading your headline esp. today would be greatly offened.

[Wetzelbill]

10. I got my language from Michael Scheuer, not "respect" in a good way....

You have to respect that this guy is capable of doing lots of damage and killing lots of people. It would be foolish not to. It's the same way that you should respect the power of a wild animal, it isn't smart to walk up and try to shake hands with a grizzly bear. I didn't make poor word choice, I specifically used the word and did so in the proper context. So, I couldn't use better words to make my point because they don't exist, at least, not in the way I was conveying it. And, I couldn't give a damn about anybody who has an ideological reaction to it. RWers know we are at war, they know we need to catch and kill terrorists, if some want to be childish and take what I said out of context and twist it into some knee-jerk argument, well let them. They wouldn't agree with me anyway no matter what I said.

[Prodemsouth]

14. Yeah just keep on reinforcing that right wing position that we are

on the enemies side. I think it is better to try to make your point without saying you respect a man who attacked us on September 11th.


It is amazing but to this very day bin Laden is still a threat to the US.
Bin Laden is still free after 5 years of Bush, we defeated Hitler's Germany in a shorter period of time.
Why do you think Bush is doing a good job fighting terrorism when bin Laden has still not been killed or captured?

Those sentence make the same or similar points without saying you admire or respect bin Laden.

[Wetzelbill]

24. actually it really doesn't make the same point nt

[Qibing Zero]

12. I'm assuming the usage was to further prove his point

I think he meant that something just doesn't fit. Either we are just that completely incompetant, or there is something else we don't know that has been going on behind the scenes.

I, for one, have stopped chalking everything up to incompetance.

[Qibing Zero]

13. P.S.

The day we stop speaking our minds because of what someone might say is the day we lose.

[Prodemsouth]

15. I know he is making a point. I say that in my post. The message

of his post is fine. I just wish he would use better words to make his point. I know very well what he is trying to say and I think it needs to be pointed out that Bush has failed to get bin Laden. All I am saying is you can do that without saying bin Laden is to be admired or respected. Our goal should be to reach people and get more on our side, not to remain powerless. When we say admire and bin Laden in the same sentence people say: "see what Hannity or Coulter says is true those liberals admire bin Laden." The fence sitter next to them agrees and someone we might have convinced about Bush is lost from us.

[Qibing Zero]

18. No one was saying to admire or respect him as a person.

But put in the perspective of history, the guy has supposedly done something no one else has done, and gotten away with it. That's crazy if it's true, and we should respect what power the guy has and work from there, but if it's not... someone is lying. Chances are, someone is lying at some point down the line.

And regardless of this post's existance, I'm sure the sick bastards out there will find something to pick up and run with. Here's hoping it's scissors!

Now after making a remark like that, should I have to note that I'm not actually wishing death on them? I mean, if they take it that seriously, don't they already have issues that are way beyond my posting's reach?

[Prodemsouth]

22. "one has to admire bin Laden" That is not saying admire bin

Laden as a person? You exaggerate my concept (where does it stop- a typical right wing argument) with your attempt at humor in the scissors story. Nobody's name in mentioned in the inane allegory so how can it be taken offensively. Poor justifications, I would say. See Ya!

[Mein Bush]

17. Attack America... get rebuilt!

It happenned when Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, it happened when Adolf declared war. Now, when Katrina attacks, Iran - part of the supposed 'Axis of Evil' - helps rebuild NO?

WTF! is going on? Wait! Don't tell me. Bush is a fucking idiot!

[charlie]

3. What's equally awesome

is that Bush never mentions Bin Laden and gets away with it. Ask him about Osama and America acts like it's an impertinence -- harrumph, tut-tut, the nerve of the guy. That's some mighty juju.

[Missy M]

4. Something is wrong with the US when we can't capture bin Laden..

with all the manpower being used. I am not a big conspiracy person but we find and capture fugitives in the vast US and around the world everyday utilizing regular personnel and we supposedly don't have a clue where bin Laden is. Something doesn't smell right about this and perhaps we will never know the real story.

[charlie]

8. Of course it stinks

John Kerry even lambasted Bush in the debates for letting Osama "escape" from Tora Bora (c'mon America, take the fucking hint already) but the curiosity and eventual outrage you'd expect from a sane citizenry never happened.

[flygal]

9. right - aren't the Rush/O'liely followers supposed to be the "We're gonna

kick ass and take gas" crowd. Haven't they noticed we are getting OUR ass kicked over there. They're still cheerleading for * - unbelievable.

[delhurgo]

6. Yeah ,that's sort of the way I use to admire BTK, but then they did

eventually get him *darn* I think he probably had a couple more cool kills in him, and now we'll never get to see those :-( He did make a fool of the FBI and the police for a long time though lol.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Why do you admire

Why do you admire a sick freak like the BTK Killer who strangled a nine year old girl and then masturbated over her dead body....

That sick bastard belonged in a petri dish...


Oh, a close friend of mine was killed by a serial killer of some note,Gerald Stano..... I wish my friend wasn't one of his "cool kills"....

[mopaul]

20. are irony and sarcasm truly dead now? bush is president, so why not?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I just don't think serial killers are fodder for harpoonery....

They are the worst kind of predators.

[cire4]

16. There isn't anything admirable about hiding from the blind....

Outsmarting Bush is no daunting task. With such incompetency in the White House, pretty much anybody could have gotten away with attacking the US. Bush couldn't find the moon on a clear night with a pair of binoculars in his hands.

[Fluffdaddy]

23. And to all you lurking Freepers............DROP DEAD YOU WING-NUTS

The truth hurts

[nookiemonster]

25. And this pseudo parade tomorrow commemorating 9/11.

I thought that we catch the bad guy first, and then have a parade.

Fuck, I bet Germany had tons of these parades after WWII. :sarcasm: